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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 05:46 PM Dec 2021

Court rejects Trump's efforts to keep records from 1/6 panel

Source: Associated Press

Court rejects Trump's efforts to keep records from 1/6 panel
By ERIC TUCKER and ZEKE MILLER
5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal appeals court ruled Thursday against an effort by President Donald Trump to shield documents from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol. ... The three-judge panel said there was a "unique legislative need" for documents that the committee has requested but whose release Trump has sought to block through executive privilege.

The appeals court ruled that the injunction that has prevented the National Archives from turning over the documents will expire in two weeks, or when the Supreme Court rules on an expected appeal from Trump, whichever is later. ... The House committee and Trump representatives did not immediately respond to requests for comment Thursday.

Trump sued the House Jan. 6 committee and the National Archives to stop the White House from allowing the release of documents related to the insurrection. President Joe Biden had waived Trump's executive privilege claims as the current officeholder.

The National Archives has said that the records Trump wants to block include presidential diaries, visitor logs, speech drafts, handwritten notes "concerning the events of January 6" from the files of former chief of staff Mark Meadows, and "a draft Executive Order on the topic of election integrity."

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Read more: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-capitol-siege-de54f9ad6c6123dbe85cf86d31b45df1



Hat tip, WTOP, at 4:44

BREAKING: A federal appeals court has ruled against former President Trump's effort to shield documents from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection, citing a "unique legislative need" for the documents. An appeal is expected.


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Court rejects Trump's efforts to keep records from 1/6 panel (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 OP
Appeals court rules against Trump in documents fight with House Jan. 6 committee. elleng Dec 2021 #1
Incriminating evidence? ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2021 #2
"citing a "unique legislative need" for the documents" Botany Dec 2021 #3
+1. Just have to put it out of my mind that he is Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #30
Of that 100 million $s how much will have to go to pay his debts to Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia? Botany Dec 2021 #42
Good question. I wish somebody would hack his tax returns Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #43
Appeal the appeals he loses Deuxcents Dec 2021 #4
So can you keep losing and still have right to appeal? Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #31
Nothing wrong w/ a layman's question MissMillie Dec 2021 #33
Thanks. So we always assume that FGs lawyers can Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #38
I didn't say the argument would be valid, or that any court would accept it. MissMillie Dec 2021 #39
Got it Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #41
Trump will now appeal to the Supreme Court. Lonestarblue Dec 2021 #5
That's assuming the court has respect now. Harker Dec 2021 #6
Will Roberts want his court to be known as the gab13by13 Dec 2021 #11
It only takes four affirmative votes to hear a case. Harker Dec 2021 #17
In that case, Roberts will have to pull some robes. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #23
Heh! n/t Harker Dec 2021 #24
This is a three-judge panel. The lawyers here will know what comes next. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 #9
Trump can appeal to the entire Appeals Court next, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #13
Thanks. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 #16
I fully expect them to go whichever way will eat up the most time. groundloop Dec 2021 #19
Ha... Always their MO Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #32
Bingo!! riversedge Dec 2021 #40
I'm betting they will appeal to the FULL court bluestarone Dec 2021 #21
Fuck TFG, his disciples, and cult. NewHendoLib Dec 2021 #7
This is a BFD, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #8
Gotta get some KFC too Botany Dec 2021 #14
I was wondering about the other claims of privilege (Bannon, Meadows) MissMillie Dec 2021 #34
SCOTUS should rule that it would violate the Constitutions separation of powers if it blocked cstanleytech Dec 2021 #10
Roberts should refuse to take the case. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #12
yup, would be the quickest, but I don't think they will JohnSJ Dec 2021 #15
Delay delay delay delay maxsolomon Dec 2021 #18
Please stop with the failure talk! ShazzieB Dec 2021 #25
OK, I'll just stop commenting for a while. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #29
Aw.... Don't stop commenting :( Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #35
Please stop with the dissing of "failure talk" :) Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #36
not outside the realm of possibilty llashram Dec 2021 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #20
Man you just gotta hope the SC. is as tired of this asshole as WE are! bluestarone Dec 2021 #22
So does this mean the injunction is lifted and the documents can vsrazdem Dec 2021 #26
But thought it said whichever comes the latest. Which would Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #37
Tough luck dotard Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 #28

Botany

(70,581 posts)
3. "citing a "unique legislative need" for the documents"
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 05:50 PM
Dec 2021

And TFG was also issued a subpoena for the values he put on his real estate for taxes vs getting loans today too by
the State of NY's A.G.. Donny is not having a good day.

The New York State attorney general, Letitia James, is seeking to question former President Donald J. Trump under oath in a civil fraud investigation, according to two people with knowledge of the matter, an unusual move that comes at a critical juncture in a parallel criminal investigation into the former president.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142838015



 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
30. +1. Just have to put it out of my mind that he is
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:17 AM
Dec 2021

going to earn $100 million on the sale of trump hotel in the old post office building on PA Ave. The hotel where he jacked up rates so high and all the countries went there and paid the price to ingratiate themselves with President Slimeball. Grr

Botany

(70,581 posts)
42. Of that 100 million $s how much will have to go to pay his debts to Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia?
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:54 AM
Dec 2021

The big part of the Steele Dossier wasn't the pee pee tapes but just how far in debt to other
countries and shady organized crime organizations TFG was and is.




 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
43. Good question. I wish somebody would hack his tax returns
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:11 AM
Dec 2021

That would be better than any New York times crossword puzzles and could keep lots of us entertained for years.

When I read about the hundred million the first thing I thought of was wonder if he'll have to pay more than $760 some odd dollars in taxes on that.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
31. So can you keep losing and still have right to appeal?
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:20 AM
Dec 2021

always thought you had to have a reason. When does it stop? When the higher court refuses to hear?

Sorry, know that's a layman's question.

MissMillie

(38,578 posts)
33. Nothing wrong w/ a layman's question
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:27 AM
Dec 2021

That's how we all (laymen) learn.

I imagine some lawyer--who TFG will conveniently NOT PAY later on down the road (or who will get a cushy job somewhere in one of TFG's crooked enterprises)--will come up with some argument.

But I think the game really is about delaying.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
38. Thanks. So we always assume that FGs lawyers can
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:47 AM
Dec 2021

come up with a valid appeal argument that a higher court will accept. I have long and deep legal experience you know. Watched many a legal drama on TV. 😂.

MissMillie

(38,578 posts)
39. I didn't say the argument would be valid, or that any court would accept it.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:50 AM
Dec 2021

TFG surrounds himself w/ people who live in an alternative reality and people with tremendous imagination.

Someone will dream up something.

Lonestarblue

(10,064 posts)
5. Trump will now appeal to the Supreme Court.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 05:58 PM
Dec 2021

This case will be a test of just how partisan the conservatives on the Court are willing to be. If they refuse to hear the case, they might start redeeming their justifiable image as partisan hacks. If they accept the case and then drag out the time for hearings and decisions until near or after the 2022 election, all respect for this Court should evaporate.

gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
11. Will Roberts want his court to be known as the
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:13 PM
Dec 2021

lynch pin that opened the door in America for an autocratic government? I don't think that John Roberts will go against unanimous opinions in district and appeals courts. There is a possibility that Roberts will not take the case and defer to the lower courts.

My bet is that Roberts will defer to the lower courts. Fingers and toes crossed.

Harker

(14,034 posts)
17. It only takes four affirmative votes to hear a case.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:25 PM
Dec 2021

His influence has limitations that may supercede his concerns about public perception.

gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
13. Trump can appeal to the entire Appeals Court next,
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:19 PM
Dec 2021

but his lawyers have indicated they will move directly to the SC. Of course they could change their mind and take this case before the entire Appeals court before they send it to the SC.

gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
8. This is a BFD,
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:08 PM
Dec 2021

There are 10's of thousands of records. A unanimous opinion. The court will give Trump 14 days to appeal to the SC. Merry Christmas MF45. Joyce Vance also said this ruling could shoot down the arguments of other people like Mark meadows of executive privilege. This ruling would set a temp plate for forcing Trump traitors to testify, this ruling would apply to them.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TRUMP.

This needs to stay in the news, this narrative needs to fester in Trump's big body. Nervous, Big Guy? Eat lots of hamberders and drink lots of Diet Coke.

MissMillie

(38,578 posts)
34. I was wondering about the other claims of privilege (Bannon, Meadows)
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:30 AM
Dec 2021

and how this ruling might affect them.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
10. SCOTUS should rule that it would violate the Constitutions separation of powers if it blocked
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:10 PM
Dec 2021

the ability of Congress to do this as its part of the job of Congress to be a check on the power of a President even a former one.
I say should though because of how far to the extreme right the court is tilted now the legal norms might be about to go out the window.

gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
12. Roberts should refuse to take the case.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:16 PM
Dec 2021

There are for sure 3 justices who would vote to destroy our democracy, but I am not convinced there are 2 more even if the SC takes the case.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
18. Delay delay delay delay
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:39 PM
Dec 2021

Next thing you know he's president for life and this is all a dim memory among the exiles.

ShazzieB

(16,513 posts)
25. Please stop with the failure talk!
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:20 PM
Dec 2021

That kind of extreme catastrophizing is uncalled for. This is GOOD news. If you can't enjoy it, at least let the rest of us do so.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
27. not outside the realm of possibilty
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:28 PM
Dec 2021

you couldn't tell me before trump that a narcissistic psychopath, sexual predator, racist POS would be POTUS. That has been a catastrophe in our democratic experience. Mini-me Hitler con-artist wants another shot so he and Putin can finish tearing down our country. Putin the ex-KGB fascist is President for life. That POS in Mar-a-flood wants to be like one of his heroes. And you know that his grifting family is chomping at the bit to get their clammy hands on our Treasury...again.

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

bluestarone

(17,030 posts)
22. Man you just gotta hope the SC. is as tired of this asshole as WE are!
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 07:08 PM
Dec 2021

If all goes right, THIS could be the LAST NAIL in his coffin!

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
26. So does this mean the injunction is lifted and the documents can
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:18 PM
Dec 2021

now be transferred from the national archieves to the house. If that is the case, unless the SC rules on an appeal motion, the documents will get handed over pronto. The SC can then just rule that the documents have already been handed over so it is moot, which sounds like something the SC would prefer to do so they don't have to hear the case.

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