Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax c

[Polybius]

Source: Business Insider

Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax credit — otherwise he'll tank it

The child tax credit will have to look dramatically different for Sen. Joe Manchin to support an extension.

The West Virginia senator drove a stake through Democrats' spending hopes on Sunday, announcing on Fox News he won't vote for the Build Back Better plan as it currently stands. Part of the proposal included an extension of the child tax credit, which has doled out monthly payments as large as $300 to roughly 36 million households since it began in July.

The last checks for the program went out on December 15, and it was up for renewal in President Biden's BBB plan. Manchin publicly criticized BBB's price tag for months, arguing it posed too great a risk with inflation already running at historic highs. Yet a Monday interview with West Virginia's MetroNews revealed more reasons for Manchin's opposition and, specifically, why he wouldn't back a re-up of the child tax credit.

The centrist senator began by repeating his call for a work requirement, arguing such a test is necessary for the payments to be "accountable." Other Senate Democrats had rebuked the work requirement in recent months, with many arguing that raising a child is work in itself. The Monday interview signals that, unless such a stipulation is added, Manchin will allow the credit to expire in late December.

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-child-tax-credit-bbb-work-requirements-salary-limits-2021-12

[pandr32]

1. Lots of people not working and struggling

What about their children?

[2naSalit]

16. Those are the takers in his tiny mind.

They don't deserve anything. He needs a regular supply of destitute folks to work in the mines after all.

[qazplm135]

29. Eff em

Apparently. Should have picked working parents.

[DURHAM D]

2. First he goes on FOX and ends the discussion and

now he wants to discuss it?

[ColinC]

6. He doesn't want to discuss it.

He wants to discuss him.

[packman]

3. If it walks like a Repuke, squaks like a Repuke

Then, by God, it must be a Repuke

[ColinC]

4. Cool. put it in the bill, vote on it and then call him out vociferously if he is lying

About supporting it.

[Polybius]

5. I think he's talking about making it a separate bill

BBB appears to be dead.

[ColinC]

8. Oh yeah cause that's totally reasonable

[Efilroft Sul]

9. He doesn't want to go on record with the BBB vote, so a separate bill here is his goalpost move.

[2naSalit]

17. Now that he's been called out on his BS...

He's looking for an escape hatch by trying to force yet more delay and cuts.

[Efilroft Sul]

27. Sure seems that way. +1

[Mr.Bill]

35. So he wants to use up a reconciliation bill

for that single item?

[SKKY]

7. 200K seems like a reasonable number to me...

...But that's just me.

[onecaliberal]

13. Single moms who can't afford childcare and can't work. What about them?

[SKKY]

14. A single mom who makes more than 200K can't afford child care?

I'm not following you.

*On edit: Never mind. I see what you were referring to.

[2naSalit]

18. Reread the comment.

He stated working parents, so anyone without a job and kids is SOL according to Senator Affluenza.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

21. Why would a a single parent who isn't working need childcar?

Except maybe while they were away from home looking for work.

[2naSalit]

23. Just answered your own question.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

25. But most of the job search process is done online now, so it's done at home.

Thus no need for childcare most of the time.

[2naSalit]

28. Not true in my neck of the woods.

And what about training and additional education needed to get better jobs? Or go shopping or anything other than stay home with the kids that you can't afford to feed? Can't leave the house until you get evicted... hell of a way to live.

So let me ask you, ever been down and out financially? If not, best take a better look around and ask some poor people what they think. Armchair quarterbacking for people you know little about is just not a good thing.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

31. Okay, I see that I am wrong here. I thought that this was just about assistance with childcare

Now I see that it is about a child tax credit. All parents below a certain income level should get that, working or not.

[qazplm135]

30. Or they are out interviewing

Or doing side hustles to make money til they can find one.

Your vision is quite narrow on this.

[onecaliberal]

39. How can they work without childcare?

What is so difficult to understand?

[Buckeyeblue]

42. Maybe instead of a tax credit we create a childcare voucher program

But being a single parent (and it's mostly women) is difficult, even if you have a great job.

And Manchin's bulking at giving a tax credit to those who don't pay taxes. This is the problem with the anti-choice movement. They want to both force birth and withhold aid once the baby is born. You would think Republicans would be all about this.

But we've been over this before.

We need to appeal to a Republican senator to cross over, someone from a state where lots of rural white Trump voters could benefit.

The other argument not being made here is the the downstream impact of these tax credits. Parents are not going to invest in bitcoin. They are going to by goods, so local businesses will benefit, etc.

[mahina]

40. And me.

If wishes were fishes but it seems like a reasonable line if that will do it. Also who doesn’t think it was dumb for a staff we to spill his comment about extended child tax credit being used by some for drugs? Of course somebody out there did. Doesn’t mean it should fail.

[Lonestarblue]

10. Agree to it and get this bill passed.

Then work like hell to hold on to the House and elect enough Democratic Senators to make Manchin immaterial after 2022. Then pass a retroactive change to include all families.

[Polybius]

12. As a separate bill, it does little for many

I wish it was part of BBB.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

33. Sounds like a great strategy to me.

But would Manchin really go along with it, or find an excuse to weasel out of voting for it.

[onecaliberal]

11. If it walks like a duck...

[2naSalit]

19. Demands made by Senator Affluenza.

[totodeinhere]

20. Unfortunately, I think that the child tax credit is toast. n/t

[Hoyt]

22. Hope they work something out for families, particularly for those making a lot less than $200K.

[SYFROYH]

24. That was the line for stimulus money (or close to it)

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If we have to draw a line that works for me

[Jose Garcia]

26. Sounds like the Earned Income Tax Credit, except

that middle-class families would benefit also.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

34. Which is a worthy goal to aim for.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

32. You already tanked it Joe

[BlueIdaho]

36. Joe Who?

That man is an empty suit.

[LudwigPastorius]

37. Manchin "demands"...

Well, isn't he the king turd of Shit Mountain?

[George II]

43. Hmm, you're calling DEMOCRAT Joe Manchin a "king turd"?

[Lithos]

38. Paid ad wall

I hate these arbitrary limits.

What if you have more than 1 kid? Having 200k income with one kid is far different than 200k with 2 or 3 kids.

Also, what about Cost of Living? In some areas of the country, $200k is fairly well of; in other areas of the country it's just barely getting by. $200K in West Virginia is probably the equivalent of $500K in the Bay Area. Where is the equity in his plan?


This is just a number he is throwing out. If he were serious he would have actual real details and policy - not deflection.

[DFW]

41. In the battle of theory against reality in politics

Whether it's Germany, France, the USA or wherever, theory always wins out in the beginning. It means less research work for those who don't like doing it.