Ron Johnson escalates attack on vaccines: 'Why do we think that we can create something better than

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David Edwards January 04, 2022
Ron Johnson escalates attack on vaccines: 'Why do we think that we can create something better than God?'




Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) this week doubled down on his campaign to promote the so-called "natural immunity" that occurs after one has been infected by Covid-19.


During an interview with WCPT, Johnson said that vaccine scientists are wrong to think that they "can create something better than God."

The Wisconsin Republican recalled that he had tested positive for Covid-19 last year while being free of symptoms.

"Why would we just automatically assume that our natural immunity is going to be awful?" he ranted. "You would think the default position would be, if you've already had it, you ought to be pretty well protected. Why do we assume that the body's natural immune system isn't the marvel that it really is?"...................................


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Johnson should forgo ALL medicines when he gets sick.

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This is unhinged, even by Ron Johnson’s standards.

He continues to be one of the biggest obstacles to us getting out of this pandemic—undermining vaccination efforts, spreading lies, and costing lives.

I got in this race because I know how important it is that we defeat him.
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SEN. RON JOHNSON (R-WI) on natural immunity: "Why do we think that we can create something better than God in terms of combatting disease? There are certain things we have to do, but we have just made so many assumptions, and it's all pointed toward everybody getting a vaccine."

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[zaj]

1. Because God created the vaccine through science? Duh.

Such a horrible Christian.

[DENVERPOPS]

79. Or that their

God gave humans a brain to develop a vaccine??????????

[McKim]

86. EXACTLY!!!! God gave us the brains to survive!

Exactly, God gave us the brains to survive and help our fellow humans.

[Collimator]

2. "And if man were meant to fly. . ."

. . . Seriously, does he also reject the use of printed versions of his precious Bible? Because God carved his original instructions on stone tablets. Who are we to presume there's a better medium?

[AZLD4Candidate]

17. Quoting Inherit the Wind

Brady: Is there something sacred to the celebrated agonist!?!

Drummond: Yes! The individual human mind. In a child's power to master the multiplication tables, there's more holiness in that than all your than all you amens, or holy-holies, and hoshannahs. An idea is a greater monument than a cathedral, and the advance of the human mind is more of a miracle sticks turned to snakes and parting of the waters. But that will stop because Mr. Brady frightens us with a fable? Gentlemen, progress has never been a bargain. You have to pay for it. Sometimes I think there's a man who says "Sir, you can have a telephone, but you lose privacy and the charm of distance. Yes, madam, you can vote, but you lose power to hide behind your powerpuff or your petticoat. Mister, you can conquer the air, but the birds will lose their wonder and the clouds will smell of gasoline. Darwin took us to a mountain to look back to see from whence we came but for that insight, for that knowledge, we must give up faith in the pleasant poetry of Genesis."

[Collimator]

31. Thank you for posting that.

It's inspiring and thought provoking. And maybe a little humbling, too.


I have another example of Man's supposed "hubris" to add to the collection provided here by DUers.

Seatbelts.

Who are we to hold back God's wonderous creation of forward momentum resulting from equal and opposite reactions? (Not sure what I'm talking about here, I'm no physicist. But I am smarter than Ron Johnson.)

[LiberalFighter]

56. Especially when it is the Revised King James Bible.

Not the King James Bible. But Revised.

[SCantiGOP]

65. God didn't directly create blood pressure meds

Guess those should be banned also.

[LiberalFighter]

68. Didn't create firearms either.

[SCantiGOP]

70. No, but he didn't an AR-15

as long as he had that smiting thing he could do

[Ocelot II]

3. So if he gets sick he should go to a church instead of a hospital?

[thesquanderer]

22. Sounds like Christian Science, whose name is inherently ironic. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

57. I wonder if there are any doctors or nurses at his church.

[SCantiGOP]

71. Unfortunately, there are those who do that

There are a couple from my hometown who are, I hope, still in prison.
They let an 8 year old boy die with Type 1 diabetes by praying over him instead taking him to a hospital where a shot of insulin would have saved him.
That story still bothers me to this day.

[Ocelot II]

77. Yes, unfortunately there are those people - but you can bet Ron Johnson isn't one of them

and that if he gets sick he goes to doctors and takes medicines and doesn't bother God about it.

[SCantiGOP]

80. Whenever the morons on FOX are trashing vaccines

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Every single one in the studio, from anchor to technician, is fully vaccinated.
Reminds you of the French policeman in Casablanca pocketing his winnings while acting outraged that gambling was taking place.

[Ocelot II]

81. "I'm shocked, shocked, to find that vaccinating is going on in here."

[Renew Deal]

4. Wouldn't a believer such as himself say that God created the vaccines?

And "man" was just His vehicle for their creation?

[DanieRains]

5. Mr. Johnson God Personally Told Me All Republicans Are Lying Scum That Work Only For Billionaires

And I have to believe him, because, well, he's God.

[BlueIdaho]

6. So all vaccines are an abomination in the eyes of god?

What an asshat.

[Initech]

7. Ron deserves all the facepalms.

[viva la]

8. God created our brains... that can invent vaccines

Then again, maybe RonJon missed that gift.

Why do they revert to the most stupid blockhead ideas?
Is a man born in the 20th Century truly asking, "Why do we need vaccines?"
All over the globe, vaccines have transformed the lives of people.
But he wants to go back to... lighting candles and praying over the measles-ridden body of the 6-year-old, i guess.

[TheRealNorth]

9. We would still have Smallpox outbreaks with that logic.

F'n moron.

[SergeStorms]

87. Polio as well.

Who the heck were we to perfect and innoculate ourselves with the polio vaccine?

I guess god meant us to drag ourselves around by our elbows, and die at ridiculously young ages.

Did the people of Wisconsin know Johnson was such an imbecile when they elected him, or has his childish mental state manifested itself since he was elected? I'd really, really like to know.

[Botany]

10. The stupid is strong with this one Obi-Wan Kenobi.

You see Ron scientists can measure a person's level of antibodies to an infectious agent
and the more antibodies you have the more immunity you have to that agent (virus).
When microbiologists, doctors, and immunologists have measured the amount of antibodies
one has to the C-19 virus comparing people who have had the disease to those who have
been vaccinated against the disease the vaccinated people have had more antibodies.



Has Ron been to the Dr. Sebagh School of Ze French cantaloupe college of knowledge?

[lastlib]

82. Or tRump University?

magna cum stoopid.

[YP_Yooper]

93. He's not wrong about naturally developed immunity

It really is superior because you develop immunity far more than just the antibodies to a few proteins on the spike, including the mucosal immunity the vacc doesn't provide for. That's how you develop "super immunity" if you both recovered and are vaccinated. That's also why the older vaccs work so spectacularly by exposing you to the entire, denatured virus.

Real issue with these religious nuts are:

How many are going to die or become permanently disabled trying to get it "naturally"? How many are you going to kill when you catch it and spread it to others? A simple vacc stops the death.

Then again, they go to heaven, right? Worst case, they recover, best case, they go to heaven :/

[AZLD4Candidate]

11. I wonder how proud Wisconsin is having this uber-fool at one of their senators

Before he was just a run-of-the-mill Republicans. Now he's a batcrap crazy wingnut trump kool-aid drinker.

[LakeArenal]

18. We aren't. 47% of WI thinks that the other 47% is nuts.

Ron Johnson speaks to and for WI Morans!!!

Are the Repugs in your State way more intelligent and less nuts? Lucky you.

[AZLD4Candidate]

24. Arizona has a history of wing nuts. Gosar and Biggs are two of them and in my part of AZ

they carry about 20% of the vote if they are lucky. Sinema we all hate. Jury is still out on Mark Kelly.

Remember, this is the state of Kelli Ward and Governor Ice Cream Man.

[LakeArenal]

27. So don't get on WI.

FYI. Tammy Baldwin is our other US Senator. 47% of WI is proud of her.

[AZLD4Candidate]

30. I get on my state all the time. Accept it

I remember Scott Walker's recall failing too.

[LakeArenal]

34. Yes I worked hard on that. It was -20 degrees and Dems would stand on corner all day getting people

I worked an office that we could use but owner would not pay for heat.

Obama said if we protested he would put on his comfortable shoes and walk with us.
He didn’t.

In fact we got very little support from the DNC or any out of state help.

Protesters came from MN and all over to protest. We had crowds of 150,000 marching.

For grins: They chested too


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/05/scott-walker-recall-wisconsin-kathy-nickolaus/

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

49. I was stationed out there back when they voted in Evan Mecham as Governor.

Arizona went from Bruce Babbitt to him.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

47. A male Michele Bachmann

[TeamProg]

12. Polio anyone?

Hey Ron, why did God create cancer ?

[AZLD4Candidate]

25. To punish sin, just like poverty. Social Darwinism.

[Autumn]

13. For the simple reason one is real and produces results, one is pretend and doesn't. nt

[at140]

14. Mr Ron Johnson is an idiot

Why would I want to suffer through covid illness to acquire "natural" immunity?
The vaccines did not cause me any adverse side effects, and hopefully I acquired some immunity.

[Walleye]

15. So who tested his antibodies? God? Why would he even get tested if he doesn't believe in it

Try saying that on your Twitter account, asshole.
I have no doubt that this liar is vaxxed to the max

[LiberalFighter]

58. Another good point.

[Walleye]

61. Got a good line for Mr. Spock on Star Trek the other night

He said,“Your statement is so illogical it’s not even worthy of refutation.”🖖

[RKP5637]

16. If his god is so damn perfect and all knowing, why the F did he get sick in the first place? n/t

[lanlady]

19. well then, who needs any kind of medicine or surgery for that matter?

If god is all-powerful, then cancer patients don't need chemo, women in difficult labor don't need C-sections, asthmatics don't need inhalers, TB and polio sufferers need not fear. God will come to their rescue, right?

[rurallib]

20. So lots of religious people have been asking God to fix this pandemic

from nearly day 1. (S)He has done nothing.

So that means God is either not all powerful OR (S)He either doesn't care or wants us to suffer.
So, Jesus Christ, Johnson how about we work with what e can work with and get everybody to get vaccinated instead of waiting for magic.

[Mr.Bill]

21. Well, if God created him,

I damn well know we can do better.

[70sEraVet]

23. He'd better hope to hell that there ISN'T a G-d

because politicians and media personalities who have been duping their followers into rejecting vaccines, will have a LOT of deaths to answer for.

[pnwmom]

26. God created the coronavirus, polio, and every other living thing, according to the Bible.

Does that mean we have to let them kill us?

[keithbvadu2]

28. Will you introduce a bill to make all vaccines illegal?

[LakeArenal]

29. Don't call the Fire Dept. if your house burns down

God says use a bucket. Not the high tech of firefighters.

[durablend]

35. Nah, Mr. Johnson needs to

Unzip and let the stream flow. Better drink that water, Ronnie!

[NickB79]

66. Nah, buckets are made by man

Gotta pray for rain and wait patiently.

[dgauss]

32. Well God made Ron Johnson so He definitely works in mysterious ways.

[PufPuf23]

33. Ron Johnson plans to watch the Super Bowl

on a slice of granite instead of a flat screen TV.

[Xoan]

36. Because 'God' created covid ...

numbskull.

[PaulRevere08]

37. Why does Ron Johnson doubt that god can create a virus that can defeat our immune system?

Why does Ron Johnson doubt that god has granted the intelligence to scientists to save us?

Why is he such a non-believer?

[Slammer]

38. consistency

God made us naked yet we persist in making clothing which we have the audacity to think is better than nakedness.

Therefore, it would make sense for Ron Johnson to strip off his clothing and dance naked on the Senate floor.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

45. Or go outdoors in the Wisconsin winters naked.

Who worries about getting sick? Our body is a natural marvel and can withstand anything!

Ron Johnson's thinking is straight out of the Middle Ages. Wisconsin, wake up and vote this cancer out of Congress!

[monkeyman1]

84. oh man, thanks for the brain image damage!!!

[Bucky]

39. Serious question: Did Ron Johnson fall down and hit his head recently?

He was already harsh right conservative. But lately he's ramped up to baying-at-the-moon conservative

[Rebl2]

40. So mr

Johnson if you get cancer you will just allow God to combat the cancer instead of getting any treatment? My thinking is God created these intelligent people called scientists and doctors and nurses to help us when we get ill. Guess I was all wrong.

[NCjack]

41. I don't like calling a person stupid. That is counter-productive.

Especially, when the person is as stupid as Mr. Johnson.

[johnthewoodworker]

42. This man is a Wisconsin dumb shit.

[trusty elf]

43. Mo'Ron Johnson

[Chili Pepper]

44. One has to wonder if

Johnson is taking some kind of maintenance meds for blood pressure, cholesterol, etc, like most people his age. But I guess that would be different

[ThoughtCriminal]

46. He should try Smallpox

Oh yeah, he can't, because... vaccines.


How on Earth does this man button his shirts in the morning?

[monkeyman1]

85. living example of Child neglect??

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. He should talk to Francis Collins, recently retired Director of the NIH. Or the Pope.

Or pretty much any religious believer who has thought through the "how God works in the world" argument. Collins covered this in a "Thought for the Day" for BBC radio, just a few days ago:

I recently took part in a podcast about God and the pandemic. Afterwards, an elderly church member sent me a question. “I’ve prayed for God to protect me from COVID”, she said “So if I take the vaccine, doesn’t that mean I don’t really trust in God?”
...
As the Director of the National Institutes of Health, I’ve seen all of the tools of science brought to bear on this the worst pandemic in more than a century. With many of my colleagues I’ve worked 100 hours a week - desperate to alleviate the terrible suffering and death we have seen across the globe. I have also prayed for answers. And when, just over a year ago, the rigorous clinical trials to test the vaccines revealed an astounding 95% protection against infection, I confess that I cried – and then I gave thanks to God. That scientific result was built on decades of research and an intense effort of scientists in every sector to work together – but it was also an answer to prayer.

For me as a Christian, that is often how God answers prayer – by working through human endeavor. Does that make those answers any less wondrous? I don’t think so. For me Science is a way of understanding God’s creation. The laboratory is not so different from the cathedral.

So, to the earnest church member I say – your prayers have been answered. God has given you a gift in the vaccine. But you have to open the gift. Give thanks -- and then roll up your sleeve.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bdr8f6

"Thanks to God and to the work of many, we now have vaccines to protect us from Covid-19," Francis said. "They grant us the hope of ending the pandemic, but only if they are available to all and if we work together."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pope-francis-urges-people-get-vaccinated-calling-it-act-love-n1277045

[papa3times]

50. You ever hear of

polio? You dumb fucker!

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. Johnson escalates attack on clothes: 'Why do we think that we can create something better than God?'

"Why would we just automatically assume that our natural skin is going to be awful?" he ranted. "You would think the default position would be, if you've already had it, you ought to be pretty well protected. Why do we assume that the body's natural covering isn't the marvel that it really is?"

[Canoe52]

52. I assume he has central heating in his house...

Or is he still living in a god given cave?

[TNNurse]

53. As far as I am concerned anyone who refuses this vaccine should not have access

to any prescription or over the counter medication. They clearly do not trust the whole industry.

[Captain Zero]

54. Isn't he from the Johnson and Johnson family?

I thought he was.

[Ocelot II]

60. No. They were farmers.

His wife's brother was CEO of a plastics company, and Johnson eventually took over that position.

[dchill]

55. God has a long, proud record of NOT combatting disease.

Didn't know RoJo was religious.

[rockfordfile]

59. un-American right-wing pos

[paleotn]

62. Because God is unimaginative and doesn't think things through.

He certainly doesn't "design" all that well. Vertebrate eyes, for instance, are all wired backwards. Granted, our group of species have evolved to overcome this "design" flaw and use it for better color vision, but that also plays hell with our night vision.. Kind of like taking lemons and making lemonade I guess. But why repeat the same damn screwup in every single vertebrate species? If we didn't know better, we'd think we'd all evolved from common ancestors who possessed the same screwed up eye "design." Maybe that's like God planting all those neat fossils just to fuck with us.

[monkeyman1]

89. sure had a bad day on this one !! I heard ron & Louie are competing who is the most brain dead !!

[progree]

63. Yes, we should get rid of the entire health care sector of our economy, saving 1/5 of GDP

since clearly God can do a better job of it, for free.

U.S. health care spending grew 9.7 percent in 2020, reaching $4.1 trillion or $12,530 per person. As a share of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 19.7 percent.

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical

Wow, I didn't think health care had reached 1/6 of GDP. So was surprised to see very nearly 1/5 of GDP.

[Progressive Jones]

64. There are many "gods". The American Republican "god" is a joke. nt

[tclambert]

67. There's a speck of truth in the natural immunity theory.

If you die of the disease, you 100% will not catch it again.

[SouthernDem4ever]

69. Ron Johnson is a moron

that's all.

[orangecrush]

72. I wish I had the "puke" icon

At times like this.

[Aussie105]

73. Why not rely on natural immunity?

Simple!

Do you want to go back to the days a woman had 10 kids but only 2 survived to adult age?
(Oh, sorry, 4 survived but two spent the rest of their short lives in an iron lung. Polio, you know.)

Do you want to go back to the time where people say 'Grandpa did well, others in the family tree died long before him. He made it to 42!'

But if you want invoke some Deity:

That Deity created the virus, but also gave men the smarts and tools to avoid dying from them.

Ron? You are such a (naughty words deleted, but use your imagination.)

[Farmer-Rick]

74. Since there is absolutely no convincing evidence for a god

Everything said about it is all kind of silly.

But for Ron he must have a pretty horrible god if it creates a virus that kills about 5 million of us but our vaccines are useless against it. Sounds to me that it's trying to kill us all. What a psycho god he has.

[Aussie105]

75. What a psycho god he has.

Men create their Deity in their own minds to reflect their own personality, values and thoughts.

That is fine. But keep that Deity to yourself.

Pushing your version of a Deity onto others, definitely isn't. Especially if it is a Ron J style Deity.

[DBoon]

76. Ron Johnson, meet smallpox

30% fatality rate

Those who survive are scarred for life.

Doesn't exist anymore because of vaccines.

[PatrickforB]

78. What a moron. Oh my God! What about polio, smallpox, TB.

My great aunt died of TB, and I'm old enough to remember kids who would scream because those metal leg braces they had to wear after polio HURT.

I know some of you do not believe in a higher power. I do. And I'll tell you - this higher power gave us BRAINS so we could figure out stuff. Including how to heal, and how to make vaccines.

This guy is - well, I don't have the words. Either he is dumb as a sack of coal like Louie Gohmert, or he KNOWS and is just saying this because the people who vote for him are this dumb.

[BootinUp]

83. He was born 6 centuries late. nt

[KY_EnviroGuy]

88. Memo to Johnson: We used your favorite god to create these vaccines: MONEY.

............. .. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY..... ...........

[Evolve Dammit]

90. "Johnson should forgo ALL medicines when he gets sick." Exactly!

[bucolic_frolic]

91. Why would anyone think Ron Johnson could interpret God's thoughts?

[YP_Yooper]

95. There was a line of thought that doing just that is a sin

[intrepidity]

92. There is a rational response to his nonsense

Which is, that scientists *haven't* assumed anything, but rather perform scientific studies to test a hypothesis--in this case, whether "natural" immunity or "vaccine-induced" immunity is superior; and from what I've read, found that vaccine-induced immunity is superior.

To say nothing of the other benefits of the vaccine, mainly that it drastically cuts severity of illness and chance of death--and thus reduces the tremendous strain on our healthcare system.

[YP_Yooper]

96. Rational doesn't work with cultists

They think worst case, they get a superior immunity

best case they go to heaven :/

[thucythucy]

94. I agree.

This dissing of God has to stop.

Johnson is a prime example.

He no doubt rode in a car to get to this interview.

How arrogant, to think that a man made machine is better than the two legs God made for the Senator.

If God wanted us to have the wheel, he would have put one in the Garden, or have them grow on trees.

For shame Senator, for shame!

[The Conductor]

97. This Idiot...

Had we just swung down out of the trees, this dimwit would have been against matches as being unnatural, because God didn't make them. He'd rather let you freeze. Calling Ronbo a fool is an insult to fools the world around.

[Ziggysmom]

98. His daughter had life saving heart surgery over 30 years ago, not just prayer.

Johnson’s daughter was born with her aorta and pulmonary artery reversed. Known as a Transposition of the Great Arteries (TGA). Surgery and SCIENCE saved her life.

Russia Ron often said his reason for entering Washington politics was a mission of repealing the Affordable Care Act. BS. It was to pass the tax cuts for the rich that benefited grifters like him.