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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,157 posts)
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:53 PM Feb 2022

Russian military threatens Ukraine nuclear power plant

Source: The Hill

The Russian military is threatening a nuclear power plant in Ukraine amid the ongoing invasion in the country.

Russia's military presence has increased near the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, which resides in a town in the Zaporizhzhia region, Ukraine's ministry of internal affairs has reported.

Russian forces have aimed one of their deadliest weapons, a multiple rocket launcher called "Grad," at the nuclear power plant, according to the ministry.

Ukraine has already reached out to the international community about the danger while the ministry of internal affairs says the Ukrainian military is heading to the region to defend the plant.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-military-threatens-ukraine-nuclear-power-plant/ar-AAUm5f2

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Russian military threatens Ukraine nuclear power plant (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 OP
If the Russians bomb the nuclear power plant is that a nuclear attack? nt List left Feb 2022 #1
Good question. BComplex Feb 2022 #2
Why wait? Igel Feb 2022 #7
This will not only draw in international condemnation but may be considered a nuclear attack. Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #3
The fallout from bombing a nuclear power plant will most certainly carry to NATO countries. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #4
It will be like sending in a nuclear bomb SouthernDem4ever Feb 2022 #5
And straight to Russia. Prevailing west to east winds. Traildogbob Feb 2022 #13
If they do this orangecrush Feb 2022 #6
Isn't that somewhat self-destructive wnylib Feb 2022 #8
talking nuclear ------- all bet's are off - take um' out !! monkeyman1 Feb 2022 #9
I think the strategy was to create fallout to clear the city ffr Feb 2022 #10
last two paragraphs: orleans Feb 2022 #11
Russia has broken the treaty they signed Bayard Feb 2022 #12

Igel

(35,337 posts)
7. Why wait?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:32 PM
Feb 2022

I'm guessing they want the power plant to supply Crimea.

Now, whatever you think of war-fog, there's this:
https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-kyiv/3414301-u-kievi-rosijski-snaradi-vlucili-u-punkt-zahoronenna-radioaktivnih-vidhodiv.html

"Наразі відсутня можливість оцінки масштабу руйнувань. Автоматизована система радіаційного моніторингу вийшла з ладу. Але камери спостережень зафіксували падіння снарядів. Оцінка радіаційної обстановки буде здійснена переносними приладами після завершення обстрілів", - наголошується у повідомленні.


Now, I haven't thought about Ukrainian since the Maidan protests and invasion in '14-'15, but here goes:'

"Currently unable to evaluate scale of destruction. Automated radiation monitoring systems out of order. Monitoring cameras observed a shell impact. Evaulation of the situation re: radiation will be done using portable devices after conclusion of shelling," per the report."



On edit: "by "here goes" I meant "here's my attempt at an attempt with vague-ish pretentions to accuracy." Ukrainian, not my Slavist-grad-school-required 3 languages. Russian, required; I claim Czech and Serbian as #2 and #3. (with Polish as #4.)

Lonestarblue

(10,053 posts)
4. The fallout from bombing a nuclear power plant will most certainly carry to NATO countries.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:15 PM
Feb 2022

Is this threat enough to send NATO forces to push the Russians back and to take the rocket launcher out? That is truly frightening. The oligarchs closest to Putin need to stop him. He does seem determined to start WWIII.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
5. It will be like sending in a nuclear bomb
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:18 PM
Feb 2022

the place will be uninhabitable for decades or longer. It is stupid to invade a land you can't even walk through.

Traildogbob

(8,791 posts)
13. And straight to Russia. Prevailing west to east winds.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:59 PM
Feb 2022

Are Russian military personnel so stupid they would follow that order for a dictator that gives No shits for them or their families?

wnylib

(21,572 posts)
8. Isn't that somewhat self-destructive
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:33 PM
Feb 2022

since the fallout is likely to reach western Russia?

Russia, Sweden, Finland, Poland, and Baltic countries all had nuclear fallout from Chernobyl.

But, if Russia does that, then it looks to me like a no holds barred retaliation is likely - a major escalation.

EDIT TO ADD: If that happens, the US and Canada will need to send safe food shipments to all affected countries - water, milk, vegetables, meat, flour and bread.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
10. I think the strategy was to create fallout to clear the city
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:33 PM
Feb 2022

Evacuation is preferred to door-to-door combat.

Sounds like a truly barbaric strategy to me.

orleans

(34,072 posts)
11. last two paragraphs:
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:45 PM
Feb 2022

After Ukraine gained its independence following the fall of the Soviet Union, it inherited one of the biggest nuclear arsenals in the world.

However, Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal after signing a treaty with Russia and the United States. In exchange for relinquishing its nuclear arsenal, security assurances were given by the U.S., U.K. and Russia that Ukraine would not be attacked.



Bayard

(22,128 posts)
12. Russia has broken the treaty they signed
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:46 PM
Feb 2022

With Ukraine to guarantee their security against attack, if Ukraine gave up its nukes. The U.S. and UK signed the same agreement. So.... Aren't we breaking that treaty as well by not defending them?

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