Ukraine: Some bodies in mass burial site show torture signs (UPDATED)

[Omaha Steve]

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Source: AP

By VASILISA STEPANENKO

IZIUM, Ukraine (AP) — Some of the bodies unearthed from a mass burial site in a forest recaptured from Russian forces showed signs of torture, with their hands tied behinds their back and ropes around their necks, a Ukrainian prosecutor said Friday.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the site was an example of “what the Russian occupation has led to.”

The site, which police said contained 445 graves, was discovered close to Izium after a rapid counteroffensive by Ukrainian forces retook the northeastern city and much of the Kharkiv region, breaking what had largely become a stalemate in the nearly seven-month war.

To bolster the offensive, the Biden administration announced another $600 million package of military aid Thursday for Ukraine, including more of the weaponry that has helped its troops seize the momentum.

Original story below.

By VASILISA STEPANENKO

IZIUM, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian authorities were expected to begin recovering bodies Friday from a mass burial site in a forest recaptured from Russian forces, a delicate task that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said would help show the world “what the Russian occupation has led to.”

The site, containing hundreds of graves, was discovered close to Izium after a rapid counteroffensive by Ukrainian forces retook the northeastern city and much of the Kharkiv region, breaking what had largely become a stalemate in the nearly seven-month war.

To bolster the offensive, the Biden administration announced another $600 million package of military aid Thursday for Ukraine, including more of the weaponry that has helped its troops seize the momentum.

Associated Press journalists who visited the burial site Thursday saw graves amid the pine trees, marked with simple wooden crosses. Most were numbered — and the count went into the 400s.



A view of unidentified graves of civilians and Ukrainian soldiers in a cemetery in the recently retaken area of Izium, Ukraine, Thursday, Sept. 15, 2022 who had been killed by Russian forces near the beginning of the war. A mass grave of Ukrainian soldiers and unknown buried civilians was found in the forest of recently recaptured city of Izium. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)


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[rubbersole]

1. Makes it hard to sympathize for conscripted Russian soldiers.

They never wanted to be there but they did horrific things that won't be forgiven. Running back to mommy russia will be your lasting legacy.

[PurgedVoter]

2. These deaths brought to you by the same folk that prefer the USA to have conservative leaders!

Seriously, Russia is trying to destroy America, I don't mean hurt or weaken, I mean destroy. To do so they are supporting conservatives.
No insane gun rights in Russia, but they bought the NRA and used it to push the Repubs far, far right. I wonder how many mega churches have Russian assets as their leaders? I am guessing, most as a rough number. I wonder if overturning Roe is a simple decision for Republicans and the like. Someone flashes their compromat and suddenly Republican resistance to functional US government becomes confirmed.

[Evolve Dammit]

3. There is an ongoing commitment to destroy us and it doesn't get much attention. Well on its way too

[Botany]

4. This Russian massacre of Ukrainians was brought to the world with help of D. Trump, Manafort, ....

..... and the 2016 RNC's platform in order to make it more pro Putin and less in support of Ukraine's
ongoing war with Russia.

Mueller asked Trump about 2016 RNC platform change regarding Ukraine:

The platform revision occurred as the Republican National Convention got underway in Cleveland. On July 18, party insiders took the unusual step of watering down its formal position on whether the U.S. should help protect Ukraine from Russian incursions – a move viewed as a surprising concession to the Russian government at a time of tension in Ukraine.

The platform change took place during the Republican convention organized by then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. Manafort had previously worked for a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mueller-asked-trump-2016-rnc-platform-change-ukraine/story?id=59476035

[Evolve Dammit]

11. Ah yes. The Cleveland convention where Laura did her Nazi salute. I don't know why this isn't being

screamed to the rafters for what it is. All these "victims" were killed (tortured) by WAR CRIMINALS targeting and executing civilians. Enabled as you describe in your post. Damn we need international trials as well as domestic.

[Botany]

12. Trump 1st impeachment was over his trying to help Putin in Ukraine by weakening the Ukrainian ....

.... military by stopping them from getting weapons with which to fight the Russians with and
for blackmailing Zelenskyy into finding dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden too.

[Evolve Dammit]

13. I recall most of the details. Mitch kept them in line and prevented what should have been a

conviction. The testimony was very clear and the GOP Senate ignored it, as they continue to ignore ANY transgression of the Constitution and Rule of Law. The entire party are traitors, IMHO.

[Botany]

14. Yup! Mitch blocked having witnesses or showing evidence in that Senate impeachment trial.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/senate-majority-leader-mitch-mcconnell-gives-the-thumbs-up-as-he-the-picture-id1197859940


Fucker was grinning about it too.

[Evolve Dammit]

15. Moscow Mitch, Leningrad Lindsey and a cast of thousands. They want us burned down to servitude.

[Botany]

16. Mitch was told of the Russian rat fucking of our elections in 2016 and kept it hidden

President Obama should have made it public knowledge.

[Evolve Dammit]

17. It really should have been brought out front and center. Immediately and investigated fully. nt

[Botany]

18. Almost every pardon given out was about blocking the information of Trump and Russia getting out, ..

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.... the 10 solid obstruction of justice charges against Trump from Mueller were all about blocking
information about Trump and Russia, and surprise but a bunch of the classified documents that
Trump stole from the government were about Trump and Russia and those documents have now
gone missing.

BTW 2,000 + proven contacts between Putin's Alfa Bank and a computer server in Lititz, PA that
was part of the Trump Campaign.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/was-there-a-connection-between-a-russian-bank-and-the-trump-campaign

[Evolve Dammit]

19. So why does the Mueller report continue to be redacted and withheld from We the People? And the

delay to indict, now certain to be well after mid-terms at which point the 1/6 Committee will cease to be if GOP controls. It's almost as if they don't want us to know the truth. Do I need a sarcasm emoji? It's true though

[Botany]

20. "They" might be worried about what the reaction would be if America and the world found out just ...

... how bad and how deep the crimes and criminals went into the Republican Party, Fox News,
The Trump Organization, the FBI (it looks like there was a Trump/Russian mole inside of the
NYC's FBI office), law enforcement, the military, our courts, facebook, and much of the media
(the NY Times ran a non stop hit job on HRC and "her emails" in 2016).

I think the US Senate's intel committee's report covers a lot of what is in the Mueller Report.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.html

[Evolve Dammit]

21. Did Senate Intel have access to the un-redacted version. This may be the biggest scandal of all time

Not to mention the most dangerous

[Botany]

22. IDK

I don't know but that report is pretty damning. Just remember every time a republican or
somebody from Fox or something like it or some hate talker brings up "Hunter's Laptop"
they are repeating a Vlad/Russian produced talking point.

[cstanleytech]

5. Just to point out that they could be lying. I personally think it's happened

but I would be lying to myself if I didn't acknowledge that it's possible Russia has not committed multiple war crimes.

[Mysterian]

7. There have been multiple international inspectors

viewing and reporting on the atrocities committed by Russian armed forces in Ukraine.

Yeah, it's possible they're all lying.

[cstanleytech]

8. Hey, it's simply that it's technically possible just like it's technically possible one of us could

win a billion dollars from a lottery drawing.
Unlikely as fuck.........but possible.

[LiberalLovinLug]

9. I understand where you are coming from. And its a sad reality, the fog of war

I think it comes down to each person having to make up their own minds of what is fact and what is fiction. Based on a lot of different criteria.
Where the sources come from.
How many varied sources.
How much photo and video evidence they gather. (The more they have, the less chance to regard it as doctored.)
How much witness evidence they gather.

Also taking into account the accused past behaviour. (And history of both similar brutality, and of lying)

But I think the truth will eventually come out, and accepted by most. It may take a decade to sort out all of Putin's war crimes, but once the fog evaporates, long after Russia has retreated, we will have a clearer picture.

For now, in the present, we just weigh those variables, and decide ourselves. Personally, I have to think this has to be directly related to Russia's occupation of the area. The Hows and Whys are still to come.

[cstanleytech]

10. Hopefully those responsible will be held accountable however if we look at how well

Bush Jr. and those under him were held accountable for their actions I am not going to hold my breath.

[Mysterian]

6. The depravity of the Russian armed forces in Ukraine is a disgrace upon the Russian people

There are good people in Russia. It is time for them to stand up and fight their dictator, reinstate democracy, and become members of a civilized Euro-Asian society.

[sakabatou]

23. So how many well known right-wingers are salivating at Putin?