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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:12 PM Jan 2012

Forced abortion for a mentally ill woman? No way, says Mass. appeals court

Massachusetts appeals court has verbally skewered a judge who ordered that a mentally ill woman have an abortion against her will even if it meant she had to be “coaxed, bribed, or even enticed” into a hospital.

The Massachusetts Appeals Court this week overturned the ruling by Norfolk Probate Judge Christina L. Harms, who had also ordered that the 32-year-old woman, known as “Mary Moe,” be sterilized.

The appellate decision noted that Moe “has consistently expressed her opposition to abortion” and likely would “continue to do so if she were competent.”

As for the sterilization order, state Appellate Court Associate Justice Andrew R. Grainger wrote: “No party requested this measure, none of the attendant procedural requirements has been met, and the judge appears to have simply produced the requirement out of thin air.”

More at: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/19/10192109-forced-abortion-for-a-mentally-ill-woman-no-way-says-mass-appeals-court

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Forced abortion for a mentally ill woman? No way, says Mass. appeals court (Original Post) Playinghardball Jan 2012 OP
Except it turned out the schizophrenic woman's family and doctor requested the abortion blm Jan 2012 #1
No fetus could\should endure alcohol toxicity loyalsister Jan 2012 #3
the judge granted the family's request and the doctor's request - and the drugs used to blm Jan 2012 #4
I'm aware of that loyalsister Jan 2012 #6
sorry, but, I have a schizophrenic sister, and most people have no clue what hardships are endured blm Jan 2012 #8
Its a huge burden for everyone sorry to hear about your sister. grantcart Jan 2012 #11
What you are talking about sounds nothing like Schizophrenia without some kind of duel diagnosis. loyalsister Jan 2012 #18
That's the thing - you can't make judgements based on cases less severe that YOU are familiar blm Jan 2012 #21
I have some personal issues with this idea, given my little sister.... moriah Jan 2012 #10
That's what I was thinking Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #14
The court clearly felt that the judge overstepped on the sterilization order Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #12
You would have to 'assume' that she is 'aware' enough...and therein lies the fallacy blm Jan 2012 #13
If you are aware enough to be narcissistic Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #15
A narcissism with no basis in reality. You don't sound like your experience was with severe cases of blm Jan 2012 #16
My brother's best friend from high school - and yes, it was that bad. Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #23
They did not request the sterilization Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #9
Really complex and interesting case. cbayer Jan 2012 #2
Definitely loyalsister Jan 2012 #5
Absolutely. That is one very important aspect of this. cbayer Jan 2012 #7
I don't see the "complexity" here. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #20
In cases where the person lacks the capacity to make health care decisions on his/her own Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #22
Here is the actual Court Opinion happyslug Jan 2012 #17
That judge is a Eugenicist asshole! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #19

blm

(113,052 posts)
1. Except it turned out the schizophrenic woman's family and doctor requested the abortion
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:19 PM
Jan 2012

and Judge Grainger's ruling and the original news report on this overstated the other judge's role.



http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20220118agency_defends_seeking_abortion_order/

Schizophrenics take some heavy duty medication - the kind of meds that no fetus could or should endure.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
3. No fetus could\should endure alcohol toxicity
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:45 PM
Jan 2012

But there's no way a judge would force an upper or middle class alcoholic housewife to have an abortion.
This is a very slippery slope.

blm

(113,052 posts)
4. the judge granted the family's request and the doctor's request - and the drugs used to
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:52 PM
Jan 2012

treat schizophrenia are physically dangerous to the bodies of the patients, many need to have their thyroids removed.

The story was written to condemn the judge as if she SOUGHT to interfere with a pregnancy - that was NOT the case.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
6. I'm aware of that
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:03 PM
Jan 2012

My objection is to the woman being treated like a child in the first place.
Guardianship goes way over the line when another person can take control of one's body. She is entitled to take the risk she feels are appropriate whether I or anyone else agrees with her or not. It's her body.

blm

(113,052 posts)
8. sorry, but, I have a schizophrenic sister, and most people have no clue what hardships are endured
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:15 PM
Jan 2012

by the families. She is in no way able to determine for herself what she needs. My daughter is 11 and has never met my sister because my sister's type of schizophrenia would have her believing that my daughter is hers just because they have the same eyecolor and she'd try to take her even if she had to get rid of me. She has also attempted to kill another sister by pushing her out of the car on the freeway because she didn't like 'riding in the back seat'.

She's been in and out of jails and mental wards close to 100 times over the last 4 decades because of her illness. She has NEVER been able to decide what is 'appropriate' for her because her mind doesn't operate that way. She only sees people as obstacles to what she wants at that moment.

I would guess Casey Anthony to be a borderline schizophrenic, but, most definitely a narcissistic sociopath.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
18. What you are talking about sounds nothing like Schizophrenia without some kind of duel diagnosis.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jan 2012

I interact with people who have serious mental illnesses daily. They are my peers and my friends.
Many have been in and out of jail and institutions. And, they were eventually linked with professionals who steered them to independent living situations. They live independently with support from health professionals, a case worker, and social opportunities.

I relate to their experience because I take a lot of meds for Epilepsy, and I know what it is like to occasionally lose control of my body and consciousness. I also know what it is like to have people question whether I am making the correct decision. Some don't think I should live on my own. The paternalistic view of people who have disabilities typically based on "Casey Anthony" style anecdotes (the one I hear is about John Travolta's kid) serves only to devalue people in the name of "protection."

The experience of the person who has the illness does not have the luxury of being able to walk out of the situation. I respect any remnants they may have of personal autonomy and sense of ownership of their own bodies.

blm

(113,052 posts)
21. That's the thing - you can't make judgements based on cases less severe that YOU are familiar
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jan 2012

with. The cases I am familiar with are much more severe and need to be evaluated based on their danger to others.

I have no qualm with people with disabilities or borderline cases having full control over their progress and maintenance, however there are cases where the severity of the disease should dictate their legal standing and there is a line to be drawn. The mental health field and judicial systems should get together and draw that line, and they should do so with full input from the actual families who carry much of the burden.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
10. I have some personal issues with this idea, given my little sister....
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jan 2012

... is a 23 year old woman with the mind of a 13 year old girl. There's a reason that she is given Depo-Provera -- her sexual decisionmaking is extremely poor. She also has Borderline Personality Disorder, has had multiple STDs, and made the decision to sleep with a man she knew was HIV+ because she wanted him to accept and love her.

The law would not allow her to be sterilized, but it is more than okay with her being mandated to take Depo-Provera. It's considered the least intrusive method for a person under guardianship with a history of promiscuous sexual behavior to be kept from having children. And if you were to ask her right now if she thought she should be a parent, she would tell you "No." If some man decided he wanted her disability check, and wanted her to get pregnant to make her stay with him, however.... she could be very easily convinced to have a child.... and wouldn't be able to tell the difference easily.

----

If she were to get pregnant, though, not only do I know how she feels about abortion, but I know how her mother (who holds her guardianship) feels about them. The pregnancy would continue. And if sterilization is too invasive for someone like my sister for the government to consider fair, I wouldn't think a surgical abortion against her will would be any less invasive -- in fact, would be far more invasive.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
14. That's what I was thinking
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:36 PM
Jan 2012

That Depo-Provera would be a decent medium option. If the woman's parents are granted legal guardianship, they can choose that option.

As for the abortion, that's still up in the air and it will be decided by another court.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
12. The court clearly felt that the judge overstepped on the sterilization order
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:26 PM
Jan 2012

The abortion question they did not deny - they set aside the original order and directed the abortion issue be brought to a different judge for reconsideration.

I don't think it would be ethical to give most schizophrenia drugs to a pregnant woman, and I personally believe that the request to have an abortion in this case should be granted, but I think there are some limits to it.

What if the lady remains adamant about not having an abortion, and is aware enough to refuse to go into a hospital? Imagine the blow that would be dealt her fragile mental state and the feelings of betrayal.

However, a sterilization order is a much greater violation of autonomy. It is possible that perhaps medical advances could remit the woman's condition - and a permanent sterilization is making a permanent choice. At least in this circumstance, the varying interests can be weighed - they are known with some degree of accuracy. For a court to make a permanent choice about this woman's life without knowing what things may be like for her six years down the road is a more radical step.

blm

(113,052 posts)
13. You would have to 'assume' that she is 'aware' enough...and therein lies the fallacy
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:35 PM
Jan 2012

schizophrenics can 'appear' to be aware usually because the disease is accompanied with great big doses of narcissism, so their goal is to make YOU think they are doing 'great' and have recovered.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
15. If you are aware enough to be narcissistic
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:39 PM
Jan 2012

you have considerable awareness. I'm not claiming that this person is fully mentally competent - there doesn't seem to be an issue of that.

I have some experience of schizophrenia, and there are real issues here.

Note that the question of the abortion was NOT decided by this decision - that was sent to another court for decision. This court set aside the sterilization and the abortion order with it, probably reasoning that the process should be considered tainted.

blm

(113,052 posts)
16. A narcissism with no basis in reality. You don't sound like your experience was with severe cases of
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jan 2012

schizophrenia. I don't know exactly how serious this woman's case is, but, if it is anywhere near the severity of my sister's, than the judge's order would be a welcome one in my family. Usually the courts side too often with the 'rights' of patients like my sister, and have endangered a number of other innocent lives in the process. Elderly parents of schizophrenics have absolutely NO peace for the entirety of their senior years, it is THAT bad.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
23. My brother's best friend from high school - and yes, it was that bad.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:50 PM
Jan 2012

One of the nicest kids I ever met, and the whole family was great. It's an organic disease, and it hit him by the time he was 20. Sometimes he would be sort of okay, and then other times he would mentally blow out and be a very different person. And of course, in many cases it is progressive and mental functioning degenerates. They have better drugs now.

Not that I haven't run into it in other circs, but that was the most intimate experience.

I understand the impact on the family. I would suggest guardianship and Depo-Provera. The woman's family has the right to give the child up for adoption. The woman's family has the right to sever contact with her (I understand they don't want to do so) and that it's an additional cruelty to the family to force them to that choice.

There is no really good answer to so many of these circumstances. Historically, the abuses when the family had the total right to choose were pretty extreme. Lobotomies, for example. Renders the person very easy to control. Some of the history here is very ugly:
http://www.tree.com/health/schizophrenia-history.aspx

Then there was the tactic of inducing hypoglycemic shock to kill off brain tissue. There's a reason why the MA court reacted so strongly to the sterilization issue.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
9. They did not request the sterilization
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:15 PM
Jan 2012

Two different things, sterilization and the abortion. The sterilization would have been permanent.

The court was caviling at the judge's imposition of sterilization.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Really complex and interesting case.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:38 PM
Jan 2012

I heard one ethicist interviewed today who said that this case had so many issues that he could use it for an entire semester course.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
5. Definitely
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:57 PM
Jan 2012

A lot of things to consider.
I understand the good intentions. But historically preventing people in order to prevent pain led to good intentions aligned with the "race" supremacists and an ugly chapter in US and eventually world history.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. Absolutely. That is one very important aspect of this.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jan 2012

The discussion I heard about it today was really stimulating. They looked at it from just a few of the many, many angles.

I miss being in school sometimes.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
20. I don't see the "complexity" here.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:17 PM
Jan 2012

Forcing a mentally ill or disabled person to have an abortion and be sterilized is simply wrong. period.

 

Lance_Boyle

(5,559 posts)
22. In cases where the person lacks the capacity to make health care decisions on his/her own
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jan 2012

it is the role of the legal guardian to decide on these matters. It's not vastly different from a parent or legal guardian of a child "forcing" that child to undergo chemotherapy for a treatable cancer. Persons who lack capacity cannot make their own health care decisions. Their guardians make those decisions, and they are "forced" onto the person who lacks capacity.



 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
17. Here is the actual Court Opinion
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:08 PM
Jan 2012
http://weblinks.westlaw.com/result/default.aspx?action=Search&cnt=DOC&db=MA-ORSLIP&eq=search&fmqv=c&fn=_top&method=TNC&n=3&origin=Search&query=TO%28ALLAPP+ALLAPPRS%29&rlt=CLID_QRYRLT8329711719191&rltdb=CLID_DB7611011719191&rlti=1&rp=%2Fsearch%2Fdefault%2Ewl&rs=MAOR1%2E0&service=Search&sp=MassOF-1001&srch=TRUE&ss=CNT&sskey=CLID_SSSA9811011719191&vr=1%2E0


GUARDIANSHIP OF Mary MOE. [FN1]

No. 12-P-18.

January 10, 2012. - January 17, 2012.

Abortion. Probate Court, Incompetent person. Guardian, Incompetent person. Incompetent Person, Sterilization.

PETITION filed in the Norfolk Division of the Probate and Family Court Department on October 25, 2011.

A proceeding to appoint a guardian ad litem to dispense with consent to abortion and sterilization was had before Christina L. Harms, J.

Jeffrey J. Isaacson for Department of Mental Health.

Douglas Douglas Boyer for Mary Moe.

Present: Grainger, Sikora, & Hanlon, JJ.

GRAINGER, J.

Mary Moe appeals from an order by a judge of the Probate and Family Court appointing her parents as guardians for the purpose of consenting to the extraordinary procedures of abortion and sterilization. For the reasons stated herein, we reverse in part, vacate in part and remand the matter for further proceedings.

1. Background. The facts are undisputed. Moe, thirty-two years old, is mentally ill, suffering from schizophrenia and/or schizoaffective disorder and bipolar mood disorder. Moe is pregnant, although the record is unclear how long she has been pregnant. [FN2] She has been pregnant twice before. On the first occasion she had an abortion, and on the second she gave birth to a boy who is in the custody of her parents. At some point in the time period between her abortion and the birth of her son, Moe suffered a psychotic break, and has been hospitalized numerous times for mental illness.

The Department of Mental Health (department) filed a petition seeking to have Moe's parents appointed as temporary guardians for purposes of consenting to an abortion. A probate judge appointed counsel for Moe and conducted a hearing at which Moe, her court-appointed attorney, and counsel for the department were present. At the hearing Moe was asked about an abortion and replied that she "wouldn't do that." Moe also asserted that she was not pregnant and that she had met the judge before, although according to the judge, she and Moe had never met. Moe also erroneously stated that she had previously given birth to a baby girl named Nancy. [FN3]

Based on "several and substantial delusional beliefs," the judge found Moe incompetent to make a decision about an abortion. The judge appointed a guardian ad litem (GAL) to investigate the issue of substituted judgment, G.L. 190B, § 5-306A, and to submit a written report. [FN4] Additionally, at the request of Moe's counsel, the judge authorized funds for an expert to investigate and submit a report on the necessity of the proposed abortion and to provide expert testimony. However, no subsequent hearing was held, and no testimony or report from the expert was received by the judge or the parties.

The GAL submitted a report noting the following: In October of 2011, Moe visited a hospital emergency room, where a test found that she was two to three months pregnant. [FN5] A consultation was ordered to determine the effect on the fetus of the medication used to treat Moe's mental illness. The consulting physician determined that the risk of stopping that medication while Moe was pregnant was higher than simply continuing the medication. See note 7, infra.

The GAL report and the record generally provide additional background. The defendant suffered a psychotic break when she was a college student. Thereafter, she believed people were staring at her and stating that she killed her baby. She becomes agitated and emotional when discussing the pregnancy that ended in an abortion. Consistent with denying that she is now pregnant, she refuses obstetrical care and testing.

Moe also states that she is "very Catholic," does not believe in abortion, and would never have an abortion. Her parents, however, have stated that she is not an "active" Catholic. Moe's parents believe that it is in the best interests of their daughter to terminate her pregnancy. After investigating these facts and Moe's desires, the GAL concluded on a substituted judgment analysis that Moe would decide against an abortion if she were competent.

Without conducting a hearing, the judge concluded to the contrary, notwithstanding Moe's expressed preferences and the recommendations [FN6] of the GAL. Specifically, the judge "[credited] the facts as reported by the GAL," but found them "inconclusive." The judge reasoned instead that if Moe were competent, she "would not choose to be delusional," and therefore would opt for an abortion in order to benefit from medication that otherwise could not be administered due to its effect on the fetus. [FN7] The judge ordered that Moe's parents be appointed as coguardians and that Moe could be "coaxed, bribed, or even enticed ... by ruse" into a hospital where she would be sedated and an abortion performed.

Additionally, sua sponte, and without notice, the judge directed that any medical facility that performed the abortion also sterilize Moe at the same time "to avoid this painful situation from recurring in the future."

Moe appealed to the single justice of this court. Because the appeal was from a final order, we transferred the case to a panel of the court.

2. Discussion. "[T]he personal decision whether to bear or beget a child is a right so fundamental that it must be extended to all persons, including those who are incompetent." Matter of Mary Moe, 31 Mass.App.Ct. 473, 477 (1991), quoting from Matter of Moe, 385 Mass. 555, 563-564 (1982). [FN8] Because of the fundamental nature of this right, in deciding whether a guardian may consent to an abortion or sterilization on behalf of the incapacitated person, we apply the doctrine of substituted judgment. See Matter of Moe, 385 Mass. at 565; Superintendent of Belchertown State Sch. v. Saikewicz, 373 Mass. 728, 751-752 (1977); G.L. c. 190B, § 5-306A.

a. Sterilization. Because sterilization is the deprivation of the right to procreate, it is axiomatic that an incompetent person must be given adequate notice of the proceedings, an opportunity to be heard in the trial court on the issue of the ability to give informed consent, a determination on the issue of substituted judgment if no such ability is found, and the right to appeal. See Matter of Moe, 385 Mass. at 566. "[P]ersonal rights implicated in ... petitions for sterilization require the judge to exercise the utmost care .... The judge must enter detailed written findings indicating those persuasive factors that determine the outcome" (Emphasis added.) Id. at 572. In ordering sterilization sua sponte and without notice, the probate judge failed to provide the basic due process that is constitutionally required. U.S. Const. amend. XIV, § 1. We reverse the order directing Moe's sterilization.

b. Abortion. (i) Incompetency. "When the findings do not justify the ultimate conclusion, an appellate court may examine the record to see if there are elements of uncontested evidence that would assist resolution of the question to be decided." Matter of Jane A., 36 Mass.App.Ct. 236, 240 (1994), citing Bruno v. Bruno, 384 Mass. 31, 35-36 (1981). The judge relied on several undisputed facts to determine that Moe was incompetent to decide whether to abort the fetus. Our examination of the record reveals only one finding that provides evidentiary support for the judge's determination. Specifically, the fact that Moe denied her pregnancy entitled the judge to infer an inability to confront the issue in a realistic manner. The other facts on which the judge relied--that Moe believed she had a daughter or that she had previously met the judge--do not support a determination of incompetence on the issue whether to terminate her current pregnancy. "A person may be adjudicated legally incompetent to make some decisions but competent to make other decisions." Matter of Moe, 385 Mass. at 567-568. [FN9] While the judge's finding that Moe does not have the capacity to decide whether to have an abortion is not necessarily one we might have made as a trier of fact, it has support in the record. Matter of Mary Moe, 36 Mass.App.Ct. at 480 (appellate court reviews decision on competence to consent to abortion to ascertain if trial judge's decision supported by the record).

(ii) Substituted judgment. Assuming that Moe is incompetent to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy, the substituted judgment standard applies. G.L. c. 190B, § 5-306A. That standard requires a determination whether Moe would decide to bring the fetus to term if she were competent. See Matter of Moe, 385 Mass. at 565. "In utilizing the doctrine [of substituted judgment,] the court does not decide what is necessarily the best decision but rather what decision would be made by the incompetent person if he or she were competent. 'In short if an individual would, if competent, make an unwise or foolish decision, the judge must respect that decision,' " assuming the judge were required to respect the same decision by a competent person. Ibid., quoting from Guardianship of Roe, 383 Mass. 415, 449 n. 20 (1981).

In this context the law requires an evidentiary hearing or, failing that, a finding that "extraordinary circumstances [exist] requiring the absence of the incapacitated person." G.L. c. 190B, § 5-306A(d ), inserted by St.2008, c. 521, § 9. The judge's findings may, however, be based exclusively on "affidavits and other documentary evidence" if the judge makes an additional finding, based on representation of counsel, that there are no contested issues of fact. Ibid. The order here, issued without a hearing and without any findings to support the failure to conduct a hearing, did not comply with the conditions for its issuance established by law.

We note as well that Moe's "actual preference 'is an important part of the substituted judgement determination.' " Matter of Mary Moe, 31 Mass.App.Ct. at 477-478, quoting from Matter of Moe, 385 Mass. at 570. As stated, Moe has consistently expressed her opposition to abortion, and the GAL report concludes that she would continue to do so if she were competent.

3. Conclusion. We reverse that portion of the order requiring sterilization of Moe. No party requested this measure, none of the attendant procedural requirements has been met, and the judge appears to have simply produced the requirement out of thin air.

We vacate that portion of the order requiring Moe to undergo an abortion. We remand the case for a proper evidentiary inquiry and decision on the issue of substituted judgment. The record indicates that a determination should ensue with all possible speed before a different judge, and that such a determination will benefit from an immediate examination establishing the viability and status of the pregnancy.

We vacate that portion of the order insofar as it makes the appointment of the parents as guardians conditional on the need for them to approve an abortion (which issue is now subject to the preceding paragraph), and the order shall be modified to allow their appointment for general purposes relating to Moe's routine medical care, health and welfare, including, as appropriate, the duration, condition and viability of her pregnancy.

So ordered.

FN1. A pseudonym. See G.L. c. 112, § 12S.


FN2. The parties estimate that Moe may be up to five months pregnant.


FN3. As stated, Moe has never given birth to a girl; her only child is a boy.


FN4. The judge also appointed a second GAL to oppose the recommendation by the first GAL if the first GAL concluded that Moe would choose an abortion if she were competent. See Matter of Jane A., 36 Mass.App.Ct. 236, 237 n. 1
(1994). Because the first GAL concluded that Moe would not choose an abortion, the requirement of a second GAL report was not triggered.


FN5. Moe visited the emergency room on or about October 15, 2011. The department filed a guardianship petition reasonably promptly thereafter, on October 24, 2011. However, a hearing on the petition was not held until December 8, 2011, and the judicial finding of incompetence was issued on December 9, 2011. The order granting a guardianship for purposes of consenting to abortion and sterilization was not issued until January 6, 2012. Consequently a pregnancy that was diagnosed at approximately ten weeks was ordered terminated at approximately twenty-one weeks. See G.L. c. 112, §§ 12L, 12M.


FN6. We do not intend to imply that the role of the GAL is binding or greater than to make "recommendations to the court." G.L. c. 190B, § 5- 106(b ). See Minehan & Kantrowitz, Mental Health Law § 10.18 (2007) (GAL's role is to "assist the court in conducting an independent investigation&quot .


FN7. In fact and as stated, the medical report does not support such a determination unequivocally. Rather, in the apparent context of Moe's pregnancy, the reporting psychiatrist stated that the "risk of medicating this
patient is much lower than that of withdrawing medication."


FN8. For clarity we refer to the Supreme Judicial Court decision as Matter of Moe and to the Appeals Court decision as Matter of Mary Moe.


FN9. The parties do not contest Moe's incompetence in connection with the need for guardianship generally.
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