Israeli army kills 2 Palestinians in West Bank confrontation

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

48 minutes ago

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Israeli forces killed two Palestinians, including a man claimed by an armed group as a member, during a confrontation that erupted early Monday when troops entered a Palestinian village in the occupied West Bank, Palestinian health officials said.

The two men were killed in the village of Kafr Dan near the northern city of Jenin. The Israeli military said it entered Kafr Dan late Sunday to demolish the houses of two Palestinian gunmen who killed an Israeli soldier during a firefight in September. The military said troops came under heavy fire and fired back at the shooters.

It was the latest bloodshed in the region that has seen Israeli-Palestinian tensions surge for months. On Monday, the Israeli rights group B’Tselem said 2022 was the deadliest year for Palestinians since 2004, a period of intense violence that came during a Palestinian uprising.

The Palestinian Health Ministry identified those killed as Samer Houshiyeh, 21, and Fouad Abed, 25. Houshiyeh was shot several times in the chest, according to Samer Attiyeh, the director of the Ibn Sina Hosipital in Jenin. Attiyeh initially said Abed was 17, but the ministry later gave his age as 25.



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[Crazyleftie]

1. Sturmtruppler

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[EX500rider]

2. Don't shoot at Israeli troops & they won't shoot back.

Kinda strange how most the guys in that photo seem to have the same high & tight haircut.

[TiberiusB]

3. Except...

Yes, clearly that worked out for Shireen Abu Akleh.

Maybe if Israel wasn't brutally occupying stolen territory, building illegal settlements, and stealing valuable resources...nah, Israel is always innocent, and nothing says "they have it coming" like a haircut.



https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/13/middleeast/mideast-summary-04-13-2022-intl/index.html

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/palestine-occupied-palestinian-territory-west-bank-and-gaza-strip/2021-report-israeli_en?s=206

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2016-06-22/ty-article/.premium/israel-unable-to-tell-truth-about-stealing-water-from-palestinians/0000017f-e068-d75c-a7ff-fced125f0000

[Beastly Boy]

4. That's deflecting.

You are raising valid issues, but they don't belong in this thread. Perhaps starting your own thread on these issues will do more good.

Anything you can add to two armed palestinians being killed by the Israeli army in self defense?

[TiberiusB]

5. The argument was raised that not shooting at Israeli soldiers is some sort of guarantee

Self defense? You sure? An occupying army is not what I would call non-threatening or merely defensive.

While you can argue that violence is not the answer, the two men shot had arguably a long history of Israeli occupation and assorted offences driving what I can only assume was a desperation with seemingly no reasonable outlets, or any real hope of resolution.

[Beastly Boy]

7. According to the 4th Geneva Convention, it is self defense. I am sure.

Anyone attacking an occupying army with deadly force is considered a belligerent combattant and is treated as such. They lose all the protections of the occupied civilian population under that convention. No amount of Israeli occupation or desperation will serve as an excuse to circumvent this international law.

And not a single Palestinian came forward and claimed they were unarmed.

And please, don't deflect the issue again. Do you have anything to say about the Israeli Army shooting belligerent combattants in self defence? If not, try not to bring any other issue into this thread. If you want to duscuss other issues, you are welcome to start a new thread. I might agree with much of what you have to say in a different context.

On edit: the post you replied to never mentioned any guarantees. But it IS correct. See above.

[TiberiusB]

8. Oh good grief

The idea that the occupying army is LEGAL (it isn't) is issue here.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/10/1129942#:~:text=Israel's%20occupation%20is%20illegal%20and,Palestinian%20territory%20said%20on%20Thursday.

The initial presumption that the shooting was justified is faulty and relies entirely on accepting Israel's position not only for this incident, but that the presence of soldiers in Palestinian territory is justified.

Nothing about that is deflection.

[Beastly Boy]

9. Yet another deflection

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The de jure status of any occupation has not been addressed in any of the Geneva conventions, and the legality of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank has not been ruled on by any legitimate legal body. Talking of legality of occupation in this context is totally ridiculous.

On edit: Just to put an end to this nonsense: the two status of the Palestinians killed by IDF as belligerent combatants is beyond question regardless of the legal status of the occupation. If you have nothing to add to this well established fact, there is no further need for me to respond to your continuous deflections.

[TiberiusB]

10. Suuure...

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You're only interested in blanket support for Israel and avoid any real discussion of Israel's disregard for Palestinian self determination, or the many U.N. resolutions stating that Israel's settlements are illegal. Are you claiming that people living in extreme poverty and under a military occupation have no right to resist? I'm not in favor of violence, but I can see how extreme circumstances can lead to it. The two men killed were foolish to think they would accomplish anything, but with Netanyahu vowing to expand Israel's presence in the West Bank and to permanently claim that territory for Israel, tensions are incredibly high. Ask yourself a simple question, "why did they engage Israeli forces when it was a virtual certainty they would be shot and killed?" Anti-semitism? Blind irrational hatred for Israel? Maybe the sense that the occupation will end and they have no other recourse? Desperation is fertile ground for radicalism.

Deflect from Israel's part in all this, but deflection is exactly what you are doing. If you only want cheerleaders, put it in the original op.

[BuddhaGirl]

11. +1

[Beastly Boy]

13. One last time, and please pay attention this time.

The OP was not about Palestinian self determination. The OP was not about illegal settlements. The OP was not about the many UN resolutions about illegal settlements. The OP was not about Netanyahu or him claiming the West Bank for Israel. The OP was not about what two foolish desperate men were thinking. Neither was the post you initially replied to. The OP reported an incident in which two Palestinians were killed. The post you replied to rightfully pointed out the principle that lead to their killings. I provided the reference pointing to the Geneva Convention that declare those killings to be justified, and the poster you initially replied to to be correct. I didn’t venture any further than that. You, however, challenged the poster you initially replied to with every conceivable argument, with the exception of the subject he or I raised. Not a word about the status of belligerent combatants which is clearly outlined in the Fourth Geneva Convention.

This, my friend, is the definition of deflection. Staying on subject, as I insisted was your responsibility in this debate, is the opposite of it.

Give it a thought before you go on accusing me of blanket support for Israel.

[DashOneBravo]

12. +1

[Celerity]

6. +1000

[JanMichael]

14. I'm guessing housing is a problem in Palestine just like everywhere else

So they're going in there to do a retributional destruction and dismantling of housing. I can see why people got mad.