Brazilian Authorities Will Revive Fraud Case Against George Santos
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Source: New York Times
When Representative-elect George Santos takes his seat in Congress on Tuesday, he will do so under the shadow of active investigations by federal and local prosecutors into potential criminal activity during his two congressional campaigns. But an older criminal case may be more pressing: Brazilian law enforcement authorities intend to revive fraud charges against Mr. Santos, and will seek his formal response, prosecutors told The New York Times on Monday.
The matter, which stemmed from an incident in 2008 regarding a stolen checkbook, had been suspended for the better part of a decade because the police were unable to locate him. A spokeswoman for the Rio de Janeiro prosecutors office said that with Mr. Santoss whereabouts identified, a formal request will be made to the U.S. Justice Department to notify him of the charges, a necessary step after which the case will proceed with or without him.
The criminal case in Brazil was first disclosed in a New York Times investigation that uncovered broad discrepancies in his resume and questions about his financial dealings. Just a month before his 20th birthday, Mr. Santos entered a small clothing store in the Brazilian city of Niteroi outside Rio de Janeiro. He spent nearly $700 using a stolen checkbook and a false name, court records show.
Mr. Santos admitted the fraud to the shop owner in August 2009, writing on Orkut, a popular social media website in Brazil, I know I screwed up, but I want to pay. In 2010, he and his mother told the police that he had stolen the checkbook of a man his mother used to work for, and used it to make fraudulent purchases. A judge approved the charge in September 2011 and ordered Mr. Santos to respond to the case. But by October, he was already in the United States and working at Dish Network in College Point, Queens, company records show.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/02/nyregion/george-santos-brazil.html
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The matter, which stemmed from an incident in 2008 regarding a stolen checkbook, had been suspended for the better part of a decade because the police were unable to locate him. Nathaly Ducoulombier, a spokeswoman for the Rio de Janeiros prosecutors office, said that with Mr. Santoss whereabouts identified, a formal request will be made to the U.S. Justice Department to notify him of the charges, a necessary step after which the case will proceed with or without him.
The criminal case in Brazil was first disclosed in a New York Times investigation that uncovered broad discrepancies in his résumé and questions about his financial dealings. Just a month before his 20th birthday, Mr. Santos entered a small clothing store in the Brazilian city of Niterói outside Rio de Janeiro. He spent nearly $700 using a stolen checkbook and a false name, court records show. Mr. Santos admitted the fraud to the shop owner in August 2009, writing on Orkut, a popular social media website in Brazil, I know I screwed up, but I want to pay.
In 2010, he and his mother told the police that he had stolen the checkbook of a man his mother used to work for, and used it to make fraudulent purchases. A judge approved the charge in September 2011 and ordered Mr. Santos to respond to the case. But by October, he was already in the United States and working at Dish Network in College Point, Queens, company records show.
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SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)magicarpet
(14,155 posts)He can place his vote in the US House in absentia from his jail cell in Brazil. Then the Fascist Rethugs can change the US Constitution and Santos can come back to the US and run for president.
How did the GOP ever sink so low ?
The Grand Illuminist
(1,334 posts)nt
magicarpet
(14,155 posts)... I suspect Biden would deliver Santos back to Brazil on Air Force One. It would be Biden's pleasure.
GB_RN
(2,356 posts)And Im pretty sure Brazil isnt on that short list.
mpcamb
(2,871 posts)a safe landing for that worthless pile of lying excrement, Santos.
NBachers
(17,122 posts)They don't care. They'd run Hitler for President if he reappeared.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... He was vorn in the USA and no one has disputed that.
ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... that have been reporting on him NYT, WaPo, have disputed his citizenship.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... around the time he was twenty, after kiting a check. How did he do that without a US passport?
Lonestarblue
(10,013 posts)Barack Obama had to show his birth certificate. All Santos has to do is show either his birth certificate or his naturalization papers. Evidently he has done neither, and the media has not reported that they have checked his claim of being born in a New York hospital. With all his other lies, one would think that his citizenship status would be worthy of verifying.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts).... actively investigating him and have access to all the records. You don't think they would start with that? If he was not a citizen, he would be in an ICE detention center by now.
Obama didn't HAVE to show his birth certificate. He did it because the loony tunes were spreading unwarranted conspiracy theories based on contrived Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Personally, I believe this speculation is similar.
tamtamp
(17 posts)We are, because Republicans are crooks.
Maraya1969
(22,484 posts)jmbar2
(4,893 posts)Grimelle
(219 posts)a for "green card" marriage.
Wicked Blue
(5,834 posts)Foreign citizenship would disqualify him from Congress, wouldn't it?
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... noone in authority has challenged that.
ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)The reason I ask is that I haven't heard of the question of either his citizenship or his birthplace being resolved in any substantive way.
He says he's a U.S. citizen, but as much as he's been shown to have lied about so many other things, I see no reason to trust his word. I've seen reports that he claims to have been born in New York but has not produced a birth certificate, which would clear things up nicely. That in itself seems suspicious to me.
EDITED TO ADD: He has told some people he was born in the U.S., but others say he told them he was born in Brazil. See this article for an example: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/24/2143670/-Is-George-Santos-A-Citizen
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... around the time he was twenty, after kiting a check. How did he do that without a US passport?
ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)If he's a Brazilian citizen, which I don't know if he is, he could have traveled here on a Brazilian passport and a tourist visa.
I honestly don't know what country he's a citizen of, because searching hasn't turned up anything conclusive. You sounded pretty sure, so I thought you might have seen something conclusive about it.
Here are some examples of what I've been finding:
https://cis.org/North/CongressmanElect-George-Santos-RNY-US-Citizen
https://verdict.justia.com/2023/01/02/george-santos-and-the-right-of-candidates-to-lie
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/24/2143670/-Is-George-Santos-A-Citizen
https://www.wsj.com/articles/george-santos-what-we-know-about-the-embattled-congressman-elect-11672319708
KS Toronado
(17,259 posts)Santos was born to Fatima Aziza Caruso Horta Devolder, who died on December 23, 2016, and
Gercino Antonio dos Santos Jr., both of whom were born in Brazil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos
First mention of him living in the U.S. is 2011
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... are actively investigating him and have access to all the records haven't looked into it? You don't think they would start with that? If he was not a citizen, he would be in an ICE detention center by now.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... over stayed his visa, and then ran for congress? That seems highly unlikely, even without the fact that multiple law enforcement agencies are actively investigating him and have access to all the records. You don't think they would start with that? If he was not a citizen, he would be in an ICE detention center by now.
All of this speculation is something of a variant of the fear that undocumented aliens are voting in large numbers and skewing our elections. Granted that this is pretty much a "special" case, but the idea that an undocumented alien would expose himself by running for congress is far fetched.
ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)But everything about him (the amount of lies he's known to have told, etc.) is far-fetched.
The jury is still out on his citizenship, imo. He has every reason to want to put this particular issue to rest, and all he needs to do is show either a U.S. passport or a birth certificate. It's hard to fathom why he wouldn't show the evidence that he's a U.S. citizen....if it exists.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts).... actively investigating him and have access to all the records. You don't think they would start with with looking into his citizenship? If he was not a citizen, he would be in an ICE detention center by now.
certainot
(9,090 posts)turbinetree
(24,703 posts)Extradition. An extradition treaty between the United States and Brazil was signed on January 13, 1961 and implemented on February 11, 1965. The treaty allows both countries to request the return of individuals if the offense(s) committed are considered crimes by both countries.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)gop problem
let them stew in it.....
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,115 posts)(not counting the 1 (D) vacancy - special election Feb. 21, 2023) and removing him to Brazil would make that 4.
magicarpet
(14,155 posts)... absentia - from fom his jail cell in Brazil.
area51
(11,911 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)perhaps getting funds from latter?
Thanks for the thread BumRushDaShow
Beetwasher.
(2,977 posts)EnergizedLib
(1,897 posts)A foreign country is willing to hold one of our elected officials accountable, but we arent.
BumRushDaShow
(129,115 posts)Lulu KC
(2,567 posts)IronLionZion
(45,458 posts)just like they used the office of president to shield Trump from his many crimes. Same with Netanyahu in Israel.
electric_blue68
(14,912 posts)extradite the Uberliar!!!! Buh Buh-Byeeeee, fucker, I hope! 🤞
Oh, man seems like he gives drumphf a run for his money at least currently!
KS Toronado
(17,259 posts)Not an easy task, but he appears to be up for it.
Blue Owl
(50,427 posts)Everything he says is a lie. Everything about his past is cover-ups and lies.
This guy is a fucking joke and anyone who takes him seriously is a fucking goddamned idiot.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)dalton99a
(81,516 posts)Paladin
(28,264 posts)We don't seem to be able to do it on our own, anymore.
Kennah
(14,276 posts)Martin68
(22,822 posts)GenThePerservering
(1,824 posts)into the gopper disarray. I swear - those fools can't do anything right.