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DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:15 PM Jan 2023

Protests erupt in downtown Atlanta over controversial 'Cop City' and the fatal police shooting of ac

Source: CNN

CNN) Several people were arrested Saturday evening in downtown Atlanta during protests that came in response to a proposed police training facility and the fatal police shooting of an activist earlier in the week.

Atlanta Police Sgt. Jarius Daugherty told CNN "several arrests" were made after the demonstrations led to property damage, but did not provide an exact number of the people arrested or what property was damaged.

The protests come in response to a planned $90 million, 85-acre law enforcement training facility -- dubbed "Cop City" by its opponents -- and just days after the police killing of a 26-year-old activist near the site of the training center.

Read more: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/21/us/atlanta-cop-city-downtown-protest/index.html



I just saw it on CNN and checked to see if it had been posted.

Edited. I have not paid attention to this and I don’t know specifics.
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Protests erupt in downtown Atlanta over controversial 'Cop City' and the fatal police shooting of ac (Original Post) DashOneBravo Jan 2023 OP
Property damage and looting does not bring undivided attention. The Grand Illuminist Jan 2023 #1
there's a reason why almost all leadership stopdiggin Jan 2023 #6
Attempted murderer? manicdem Jan 2023 #2
If you believe the cops. Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #3
they can figure out pretty quickly stopdiggin Jan 2023 #7
That's right. State Trooper shot. No conspiracy here. Cattledog Jan 2023 #13
Trooper was shot but how do we know the order of events? intheflow Jan 2023 #14
That's what an investigation is for, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #18
No footage has been released. It likely exists, though, and no one has said it doesn't. Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #21
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #26
Valid point. intheflow Jan 2023 #27
I dug around on the net for other stories since I was curious about the bodycam issue. Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #30
Yes, shooting a State Trooper is attempted murder. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #4
But there's no evidence that happened. Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #9
Well there's a cop in the hospital who was shot. And they have the gun oldsoftie Jan 2023 #17
thanks for posting. I heard yesterday of the planned action BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #5
FTP. ACAB. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #8
I couldn't agree with you more. n/t spike jones Jan 2023 #10
Yes, yes, blue man bad. Blue man always bad. No exceptions. Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #22
Mayor office confirms DashOneBravo Jan 2023 #11
The cops are already over militarized Warpy Jan 2023 #12
I thought the argument around here was that cops DID need more training nt EX500rider Jan 2023 #31
Ever hear of de escalation training? Warpy Jan 2023 #32
But that is still training, which requires a facility, no? nt EX500rider Jan 2023 #34
People taking the side and word of the police right away. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2023 #15
Police do not get off all the time, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #16
Sure thing... ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2023 #36
Again, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #41
You must not be from the area. Most "lily white suburbs" are highly integrated these days. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #19
Yes. Atlanta's half black, holding a whole lot of those good Hortensis Jan 2023 #33
Anyone can sign up here RandiFan1290 Jan 2023 #20
They certainly can sign up here and post, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #23
Not that good. RandiFan1290 Jan 2023 #24
And sooner or later they slip up MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #25
I would dispute that stopdiggin Jan 2023 #29
well, we also have a considerable contingent of knee jerk stopdiggin Jan 2023 #28
Definitely. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #35
Does it "even" out? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2023 #37
we are both here responding stopdiggin Jan 2023 #40
I'm confused... purr-rat beauty Jan 2023 #38
Some media outlets named the protesters Antifa right out of the gate in their first sentence. Hotler Jan 2023 #39

stopdiggin

(11,467 posts)
6. there's a reason why almost all leadership
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:35 PM
Jan 2023

and organizers disavow ....
Has to be some distance (and some distinction) between being an activist - and a violent punk on steroids.

Elessar Zappa

(14,180 posts)
3. If you believe the cops.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:30 PM
Jan 2023

There’s no bodycam footage and I certainly don’t give them the benefit of the doubt.

stopdiggin

(11,467 posts)
7. they can figure out pretty quickly
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:39 PM
Jan 2023

whose gun (and what type of ammo) was used in the shooting. If the cops are trying to 'pull one over' here - it won't hold up for very long.

edit: weapon (and ammo) already recovered on scene. to go ahead and argue 'throw down' means that you believe one of the troopers first shot a fellow officer with an unregistered weapon, solely with the intent of 'framing' one of the activists being rousted from the site. that's some real overkill. and some real spin.

intheflow

(28,536 posts)
14. Trooper was shot but how do we know the order of events?
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:00 AM
Jan 2023

Just as likely the LEOs fired first and trooper was either caught by friendly fire or in a response from protesters. No footage = no accountability. I don’t give cops an auto-pass based on their word alone.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
21. No footage has been released. It likely exists, though, and no one has said it doesn't.
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 10:10 AM
Jan 2023

The officer who was shot is with the Georgia State Patrol, which doesn't issue bodycams to the majority of its officers. That's pretty mindboggling, since in this day and age every patrol officer should be wearing one, IMO. Bodycams protect everyone, officers and the public alike.

No one in an official capacity has said there isn't bodycam footage, as far as I've seen, and officers from other agencies may have been on the scene and involved. There's a very good chance one or more of those officers was wearing a bodycam. I'm reserving judgment until the issue of bodycam footage is addressed directly.

intheflow

(28,536 posts)
27. Valid point.
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 11:48 AM
Jan 2023

I just realized I responded to the post above the post I meant to respond to. I thought I'd read it hadn't been recorded, as if that's the end of the story, but perhaps it said recording hadn't been released. Hopefully that's the case.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
30. I dug around on the net for other stories since I was curious about the bodycam issue.
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 02:09 PM
Jan 2023

Nothing official has been said about it one way or the other as far as I can find, so I feel like the responsible thing to do is wait and see what develops before coming to a conclusion on whether this shooting was justified or not. Let the investigators do their thing and see where it goes.

To be clear, I'm not referring to you when I say this, but there's no question that leaping to conclusions about police shootings is an Olympic-level sport for some DUers. Those same folks also seem to be operating under the deluded assumption that there's never a justification for police to use lethal force.

oldsoftie

(12,721 posts)
4. Yes, shooting a State Trooper is attempted murder.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:33 PM
Jan 2023

This site was chosen to build a facility long ago.

Elessar Zappa

(14,180 posts)
9. But there's no evidence that happened.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 10:47 PM
Jan 2023

Just the cops word and I don’t give them the benefit of the doubt anymore. There’s no bodycam footage.

oldsoftie

(12,721 posts)
17. Well there's a cop in the hospital who was shot. And they have the gun
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:59 AM
Jan 2023

And the gun was with the guy who got shot by the cops. And the cops didnt shoot till they were shot AT. The cop certainly didnt shoot himself
But it's all a setup? Ok.
Usually the "he said/she said" scam happens when a cop shoots someone and claims the person was a threat.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
22. Yes, yes, blue man bad. Blue man always bad. No exceptions.
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 10:19 AM
Jan 2023

If Terán did indeed fire first, the officers should have just meekly asked him if he'd mind terribly not shooting at them instead.

Warpy

(111,559 posts)
12. The cops are already over militarized
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 12:15 AM
Jan 2023

They don't need a facility in which to train for house to house combat in a city.

Someone needs to step in and tell these guys that they are not an occupying army and we aren't insurgents.

Fucking Nixon, he did this to us to get around Posse Comitatus. We need to find a way to undo it.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,872 posts)
15. People taking the side and word of the police right away.
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:47 AM
Jan 2023

Smdh. No wonder police get off all the time they can’t even count on the “left” to push back a little. Are you afraid that if you practice dissent antifa is going to come to your lily white suburbs?

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,603 posts)
16. Police do not get off all the time,
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:57 AM
Jan 2023

there are lots and lots of videos on youtube that prove you wrong.

Yes, some cops do get off, but with the proliferation of camera phones and the like, more and more cops are being held accountable.

oldsoftie

(12,721 posts)
19. You must not be from the area. Most "lily white suburbs" are highly integrated these days.
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 10:08 AM
Jan 2023

40 yrs ago, yeah, they were mostly white. But the black middle & upper class in ATL has grown a GREAT deal over the years. And a lot of people of ALL colors are glad to see the new mayor appearing to be ready to crack down on what's been a growing crime & violence problem downtown. And as someone who has spent a lot of money there over the years, I certainly welcome it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. Yes. Atlanta's half black, holding a whole lot of those good
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 04:55 PM
Jan 2023

jobs that have been flooding in over the past decades and buying homes in those supposed lily white subdivisions. Something like 27% of black Atlantans hold bachelor's degrees, fourth highest city in the nation.

It helps to now and then put down the confirmation bias and go for a walk.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,603 posts)
23. They certainly can sign up here and post,
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 10:27 AM
Jan 2023

but not whatever they want, MIRT is pretty good a detecting trolls and disrupters and tombstoning them.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,603 posts)
25. And sooner or later they slip up
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 10:32 AM
Jan 2023

and get booted by the Admins.

Just because there are members here who take a different opinion of the cops doesn't mean they're zombies, trolls or disrupters, it means they just have a different opinion.

stopdiggin

(11,467 posts)
29. I would dispute that
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 01:40 PM
Jan 2023

But if you are convinced you can identify such ('zombie') accounts - then please do lend a hand by alerting administrators.

stopdiggin

(11,467 posts)
28. well, we also have a considerable contingent of knee jerk
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 01:37 PM
Jan 2023

'cops bad, always at fault, can't be trusted' crowd - so it probably evens out.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,872 posts)
37. Does it "even" out?
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 02:28 AM
Jan 2023

Someone saying "cops bad" is not the same as there being zero justice for Freddie Grey. Reprehensible comment on your part.

stopdiggin

(11,467 posts)
40. we are both here responding
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 06:23 PM
Jan 2023

to an OP concerning an 'incident' in which it seems at least very likely that there was little or no police misconduct at all. So my 'comment' was directed at pointing to the fact that dogmatism, and a seeming unconcern for the unique facts of any particular case - will prevail on the part of good many posters. This thread serving as a good case in point. And as such, I believe my 'comment' was quite within bounds - and nothing like reprehensible - in either tenor or intent.

And also perhaps a good deal more 'on point' than dragging Freddie Grey into the mix. Is he connected to this case in some way?

purr-rat beauty

(543 posts)
38. I'm confused...
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 09:27 AM
Jan 2023

If the officer WAS shot - wouldn't that just be the individual using their 2nd Amendment rights against a perceived tyrannical threat?

Isn't that what the Rightwing believe in? Shouldn't they support that and the resulting discord due to the corruption of the Authorities?

Hotler

(11,528 posts)
39. Some media outlets named the protesters Antifa right out of the gate in their first sentence.
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 10:13 AM
Jan 2023

Only fascist supporters would do a thing like. Those media outlets are usually found on MSN.com.

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