CNN Exclusive: Classified documents found at Pence's Indiana home
Source: CNN
A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pences Indiana home last week, and he has turned those classified records over to the FBI, multiple sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
The FBI and the Justice Departments National Security Division have launched a review of the documents and how they ended up in Pences house in Indiana
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html
I wonder if Republicans will want to investigate this incident.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)I have no doubt that Cheney has thousands of classified documents at his house.
rurallib
(62,411 posts)After all, George W. looked into Putin's eyes............
Harker
(14,015 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,818 posts)the picture of a semi trailer and an industrial sized paper shredder backed up to the front door of Cheney's home a few days before him leaving office????
I certainly do...................
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)GreenWave
(6,738 posts)Bottom of the second, at the Obama residence...
underpants
(182,791 posts)Just like he won his own golf tournament without playing both days of it.
tinymontgomery
(2,584 posts)KS Toronado
(17,224 posts)calimary
(81,238 posts)Somebody whose name starts with t and ends with p?
underpants
(182,791 posts)maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)My Dad watches Fox (and Sinclair local news). He had no idea who George Santos was until I told him on Sunday.
underpants
(182,791 posts)They do have the Pence story on their website.
https://www.foxnews.com/
NJCher
(35,663 posts)what magats do. And who cares what their media does?
Makes no difference whatsoever, so why pay attention to it?
They're going to do what they're going to do. No amount of lamenting it will alleviate the situation.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)i don't pay much attention to RW media, but i can't help but care that they are poisoning the minds of millions with propaganda, including my elderly father who always votes.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)Top Secret is a joke now; Trump will never suffer a single consequence.
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)In the general public's mind, this is just going to water down Trump's obvious culpability in the deliberate theft of documents he had absolutely no right to take with him when he left office.
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ColinC
(8,291 posts)But in the eyes of the law, a crime is a crime is a crime.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)It is political, and the DOJ cannot ignore that. They will not indict * over this.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)ColinC
(8,291 posts)Response to Beartracks (Reply #22)
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ificandream
(9,372 posts)... how Marjorie Traitor Trash Greene, the other Congressional mega-dope idiots and the clowns at Fox will react to this. Well, we know, but it'll make their reactions to Biden more phony than they already were.
Mira
(22,380 posts)in the homes of the friends who put them up after the lost election? Should we send out cautionary alerts?
Walleye
(31,017 posts)Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)As I understood it at the time.
I'm guessing Lake Wawasee or something around there.
BumRushDaShow
(128,920 posts)They should check with Shrub since he was in for 2 terms. And Darth too!
twodogsbarking
(9,740 posts)Response to twodogsbarking (Reply #10)
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Skittles
(153,160 posts)it's just ridiculous that ALL these folk cannot seem to keep track of CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS
Diamond_Dog
(31,989 posts)AkFemDem
(1,823 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,834 posts)I've often wondered why that is but even the Media Bias Chart confirms the web site leans more to the middle ground.
https://library.uco.edu/c.php?g=849951&p=7853058
markodochartaigh
(1,138 posts)more toward a younger demographic and that TV caters more to older and more rural demographics.
33taw
(2,440 posts)What is up with them?
erpowers
(9,350 posts)For a few days now I have been thinking the leader of the National Archives needs to be fired. All if this is a result of the National Archives failing at its job. There needs to be a leadership shakeup.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)It looks to me that Trump took SO MANY and at such a high level that it can't be Inadvertant. That is why the NA noticed those and asked and asked for them back until finally DOJ had to get involved and still needed subpoena and search warrant with a raid to get them.
friend of a friend
(367 posts)I doubt that any of the TOP SECRET NSA CODEWORD documents I wrote ever went there. In the 9 months I was overseas, I wrote and then coded about 270 documents, 1 each morning. They were then sent to communications where they were coded and then sent to NSA headquarters.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Every document should be "checked out." Someone should be responsible for its chain of custody. Every document should be returned or reported missing. It's crazy that there are confidential documents sitting all over the country without anyone paying attention except to all but the most extreme cases (Trump).
thenelm1
(854 posts)Makes you wonder what kinda Mickey Mouse tracking system is actually in place? And is it computerized?
sab390
(183 posts)They are no longer in use by the department. Until then it is the department which is responsible. The White House is responsible for the documents or the DOD or CIA etc. When no longer in use they go to the archive. This is a much larger failure and not the archives fault.
Marthe48
(16,949 posts)n/t
ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)Marthe48
(16,949 posts)sample document marked "CLASSIFIED" in big red letters. traitor co. can get right on it.
(sarcasm, irony, whatever)
GB_RN
(2,350 posts)I have tighter controls on me than these people handling sensitive information do, apparently.🤷?♂️🤦?♂️🙄
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)to manage documents. Each discovery of classified documents lying around where they shouldnt be illustrates this. Our enemies must know this too.
wnylib
(21,447 posts)is the worst part. Anyone from any country could get ahold of classified documents.
At the risk of getting into conspiracy theory territory, both the timing and the people involved raise questions in my mind. In Trump's mind, both Biden and Pence are top level enemies of his. But Trump has "friends in high places."
Considering how Trump operates and how these revelations affect the possibility of charges against him, I do wonder if there is a larger picture yet to come out.
AkFemDem
(1,823 posts)Have lost clearances and jobs over these kinds of mistakes? Why the heck are our elected officials walking around with classified documents outside of cleared work areas anyway?!?
chowder66
(9,067 posts)It was probably just handled behind the scenes because it was unintentional. Now that TFG grabbed as much as he could carry and refused to cooperate they are being transparent about this.
Bayard
(22,063 posts)Seriously, if they are not packing the boxes themselves (like TFG did), they don't know what's going in there. And staff are just packing up everything indiscriminately, (after all, they're about to be out of a job.) I can see why its a surprise when they're discovered.
I'm sure there is not malicious intent to profit or blackmail, like trump.
Ocelot II
(115,683 posts)In almost all cases it will be inadvertent. With TFG, not so much - he regarded everything he touched was his and that he was entitled to keep it (or whatever else he wanted to do with it).
Rebl2
(13,498 posts)searching house and senate republicans homes. Search fbi agents homes including wray. That wont work since they do the searching.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)Or is it just on the honor system to report it when you find you've taken them? How many more of these are out there in the homes and offices of politicians and their staff who used to work in Washington?
Shipwack
(2,162 posts)
and gets tracked more closely. That might be how the Archives knew about some* of the stuff Trump took.
Stuff thats merely top secret, etc, not so much.
Then again, my experience is from 25 years ago on a a submarine; things might be different now.
*Some things, while maybe not classified, were well known to exist, such as the Sharpie corrected weather map, or the "live letters" from Kim Jong-Un.
agingdem
(7,849 posts)Trump intentionally stole documents..remember he was in a hurry to get documents declassified on his way out the White House doors...
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)around here!
Who knows?!
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cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)around here!
Who knows?!
🤣
SledDriver
(2,059 posts)Or they're trying to make it seem that way.
caraher
(6,278 posts)All these finds will serve to obscure the egregious and intentional nature of Dolt 45's theft and distribution of sensitive materials. You know and I know that there's no comparison between Biden's documents (and probably Pence's) and what Trump has done, but in the minds of the less attentive and discerning the message will be "I guess everyone winds up with classified documents so what's the big deal?"
Ocelot II
(115,683 posts)got a search warrant to find and retrieve them, and he even fought that. What it will do is point out that there needs to be some serious improvement in the way classified docs are kept track of. TFG took documents back to the residence, even shredded and flushed a few, and nobody stopped him or kept track of what he took. That has to be emphasized. I think it even helps because of the contrast between inadvertently keeping a few items and intentionally refusing to return hundreds of them.
caraher
(6,278 posts)I'm not disputing that - there's no comparison in the behaviors. But there are actually people who are, incomprehensibly, somewhere in the middle. People who mostly don't pay close enough attention. The media have not held Trump's feet to the fire before, and this story just extends the lazy false equivalency narrative and as a result diminishes Trump's crimes in the minds of the low-information swing voter.
intheflow
(28,464 posts)At this point, Im more worried about lack of oversight at the National Archives. If it has been classified, how come no one follows up to make sure all items have been returned. I work at a public library and we know who has checked out books in our collection. Once something becomes classified, when removed or allowed to stay with some government agent, it should be like a library book. Im a librarian and we are constantly checking and rechecking if what we have on the shelf matches whats in the online catalog. Its not rocket science and there is no excuse for this to happen.
Lonestarblue
(9,985 posts)Biden. And hes doing exactly as Biden has done by handing over documents immediately. The Pence and Biden cases are similar, while Trumps is not.
markodochartaigh
(1,138 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Never let anyone attempt to pretend the cases are comparable.
OverBurn
(950 posts)off the hook.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Javaman
(62,526 posts)I find the timing, of both pence and Biden's documents being found, interesting.
suddenly they are found AFTER the repukes take control of the house.
moreover, it's no secret that there are halfwit secret service and halfwit fbi agents that are 'sympathetic' to the orange asshole.
whose to say that one or a dozen of these agents are actually planting these docs?
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)BonnieJW
(2,264 posts)is not a lending library. Maybe it should be. Record what is checked out and to whom and then record when it's returned and who returns it. If something doesn't come back, you know who has it.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)Not to mention the current head of the FBI appointing a special investigator
mcar
(42,307 posts)with as much vigor as they've been reporting on Biden.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)1. The right will view additional discoveries of classified documents at other office holders homes and offices as exoneration of Trump. But, if so, it will make it all the easier for us to treat Bidens classified issues as a nothingburger.
2. Jack Smith will not consider it exoneration of Trump. Hell follow the law.
3. It makes the National Archives look inept and in need of new procedures.
4. I take Seth Abramson with a large helping of salt, but I found this piece interesting. Apparently NARA rules for Veeps is unnecessarily complicated. Watch out Dick Cheney?
https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/update-two-days-after-proof-framed?utm_medium=email
patphil
(6,172 posts)I'll bet you can find classified documents in the personal files of George "W" Bush, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Barack Obama...virtually everyone who has held the President or VP positions.
The way documents are classified and handled needs to be looked into because current procedures don't appear to be robust enough to insure all classified documents are properly handled, tracked and accounted for.
When the government changes over, a team from the National Archive needs to be the ones who review any documents the outgoing POTUS and VP are going to take with them. At least that way the National Archive takes the heat if classified documents are found later.
The fact that Pence had classified documents takes a little pressure off President Biden, but also damages the case against TFG.
wryter2000
(46,039 posts)Now the issue is about the system, and what Trump has done goes way beyond anything anyone else has done.
onetexan
(13,040 posts)Documents checked out to users who need to have them checked in, not on Biden, & i dont think Pence did this on purppse either. I'm willing to bet if other leaders' offices & residences were searched other classified docs wld be found too.
In the Con's case, however, it's a different beast altogether. His is a case of criminality in that he knowing stole them, not a case of inadvertent oversight.
Big difference.
usaf-vet
(6,181 posts)Two former officeholders did the right thing.
The third one lied and continues to lie, and it appears that the authorities still do not know how many he had and how many were $disposed$ of. Oh, did I mention that the third one is only interested in $$$$$$$?
JohnSJ
(92,187 posts)Will our illustrious media give us 24/7 coverage of this like they did President Bide?
Will our illustrious media finally tell us that there is a difference between the way trump dealt with the classified documnets verses President Biden?
electric_blue68
(14,891 posts)Wonder Why
(3,186 posts)important person?
Bet the Congressional Maggots are getting jealous that nobody found anything of value at their homes - like educational records indicating they graduated from Elementary School or medical records indicating they had brains or even church records that they ever donated money or showed up before the service was over.
DENVERPOPS
(8,818 posts)why Trump's ex-wife's coffin took so many pall bearers, and even more curious, is why did he have her buried on his personal property????
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,031 posts)He is 1 of their traitors, like Cheney is.