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BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 06:02 PM Jan 2023

U.S. court rejects J&J bankruptcy strategy for tens of thousands of talc lawsuits

Last edited Mon Jan 30, 2023, 09:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Reuters

Jan 30 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court on Monday shot down Johnson & Johnson's (JNJ.N) attempt to offload tens of thousands of lawsuits over its talc products into bankruptcy court. The ruling marked the first major repudiation of an emerging legal strategy with the potential to upend U.S. corporate liability law.

J&J is among four major companies that have filed so-called Texas two-step bankruptcies to avoid potentially massive lawsuit exposure. The tactic involves creating a subsidiary to absorb the liabilities and to immediately file for Chapter 11.

The court ruled the healthcare conglomerate improperly placed its subsidiary into bankruptcy even though it faced no financial distress. J&’s two-step sought to halt more than 38,000 lawsuits from plaintiffs alleging the company’s baby powder and other talc products caused cancer. The appeals court ruling revives those lawsuits.

Reuters last year detailed the secret planning of Texas two-steps by Johnson & Johnson and other major firms in a series of reports exploring corporate attempts to evade lawsuits through bankruptcies. Monday's decision by the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia dismissed the bankruptcy filed by the J&J subsidiary in 2021. Before the filing, J&J had faced costs of $3.5 billion in verdicts and settlements.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/legal/jjs-ltl-units-bankruptcy-dismissed-by-us-appeals-court-filing-2023-01-30/



Heard this on news radio this afternoon.

Article updated.

Original article -

Jan 30 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court upended Johnson & Johnson's (JNJ.N) attempt to offload into bankruptcy tens of thousands of lawsuits over its talc products, ruling the healthcare conglomerate improperly placed a subsidiary into Chapter 11 proceedings even though it did not face financial distress.

The decision by the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia on Monday dismissed a Chapter 11 petition filed by a recently created J&J subsidiary in October to address more than 38,000 lawsuits from plaintiffs alleging the company’s baby powder and other talc products caused cancer.

Before the bankruptcy, J&J faced costs from $3.5 billion in verdicts and settlements, including one in which 22 women were eventually awarded a judgment of more than $2 billion, according to bankruptcy-court records.

Several major companies, including J&J and 3M Co (MMM.N), have turned to bankruptcy court to manage their mass tort liabilities. Plaintiff attorneys have called the cases an improper manipulation of the bankruptcy system, while the companies say the Chapter 11 filings are aimed at compensating claimants fairly and equitably.
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U.S. court rejects J&J bankruptcy strategy for tens of thousands of talc lawsuits (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 OP
Did anyone hear the collective "AWW SHIT" coming from the J&J boardroom? LiberalArkie Jan 2023 #1
Good. They knew and many died. Typical corporate denial instead of admitting the truth. Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #2
They have nothing to lose by trying it, and that's part of the problem. NullTuples Jan 2023 #3
Yep and delaying justice even more dutch777 Jan 2023 #4
Big Tobacco dragged it out for a decade or more. Oxycontin. Asbestos. Agent Orange. Orange 45. Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #12
What thing I don't get... Bayard Jan 2023 #5
Probably because it was the largest and most popular seller BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #6
Of course, they have the deepest pockets Bayard Jan 2023 #8
Yup BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #9
Initially, they were the only "brand". It became as synonymous as "Kleenex" or "Xerox". The Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #13
There have always been other known "name brands" of talcum powder BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #14
Formaldehyde in baby shampoo. That's great. Was Gold Bond around before J&J? "Medicated" huh? Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #18
Around the same time BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #19
You are without doubt, an amazing resource. Thank you. Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #22
You are welcome BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #24
Great info. The amounts of drugs like opium, heroin, cocaine, codeine were so widely used. Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #25
Oh yeah BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #27
It's a wonder we made it this far. I remember powdered opium (cough or diarrhea?), paragorik (sp?) Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #28
They still have paregoric (tincture) on the market BumRushDaShow Feb 2023 #29
Yeah you gotta get your Doc to prescribe it. It is the most effective. "Liquid Gold;" never goes bad Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #30
Why is bankruptcy even an option for corprations to avoid paying such damages? Orrex Jan 2023 #7
Yep. Two-tiered system. All the way down. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jan 2023 #11
With the OP article update, it's apparently a "Texas" thing BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #15
No Sgent Jan 2023 #16
should be a CEO going to jail republianmushroom Jan 2023 #10
My son and I have been following the use of divisive mergers for a while LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #17
Another thought Bayard Jan 2023 #20
Adult women - main purchasers womanofthehills Jan 2023 #21
When I first heard about it -way- back I switched to cornstarch. electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #26
Despise this company. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #23

Bayard

(22,096 posts)
5. What thing I don't get...
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 07:05 PM
Jan 2023

How do they know a person's cancer was caused by J&J's talc? There are hundreds of generic brands out there.

Bayard

(22,096 posts)
8. Of course, they have the deepest pockets
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 07:29 PM
Jan 2023

Like Monsanto/Bayer gets hit with all the glyphosate cancer lawsuits, when there are tons of other manufacturers.

Not that these name-brand companies don't deserve most of the blame. I'm just wondering how its assessed.

BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
9. Yup
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 07:39 PM
Jan 2023

I know many of the cases here were from survivors of individuals who died and then sued and others were done by states on behalf of their residents.

This site has a recent "summary" of some of the suits that were filed and current status - https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/2-billion-verdict-in-missouri-motivates-jj-to-settle-talcum-powder-lawsuits.html

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
13. Initially, they were the only "brand". It became as synonymous as "Kleenex" or "Xerox". The
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 09:07 PM
Jan 2023

talc is mined from veins that contain tremolite, an asbestos-containing mineral deposit. They knew it and continued production. Correct me if I'm wrong.
As the only brand for so many years, before "generic" or other competitors emerged they deserve the brunt of the scrutiny and litigation. Unfortunately for those who developed serious disease, they went into denial mode.

BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
14. There have always been other known "name brands" of talcum powder
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 09:32 PM
Jan 2023

for example one that might be very familiar -



(the "medicated" version contains the talc where other versions are primarily using corn starch)

But what J&J did - whether with that particular product by calling it "baby powder" or with the shampoo that they dubbed "baby shampoo" (including "No more tears" ) that had some ingredients that produced small amounts of formaldehyde as a byproduct of the manufacturing process, was to use it's juggernaut of promotion to establish itself as a "trusted and wholesome brand", so they had the biggest marketshare.

The issue they are arguing in court has been how much asbestos may have been in the product that was sold and whether it was even at a consistent level from batch to batch given it was a natural contaminant, and if it was enough to cause the cancer.

BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
24. You are welcome
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 08:23 PM
Jan 2023

The late 1800s had an explosion of products like those (and lots of snake oil ones too). And that eventually lead to the passage of the good old "Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act" (1938) where those products used "externally" (topical) are usually considered "cosmetics" (unless they have certain ingredients that might make them drugs like some ointments used for treatment of certain medical conditions).

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
25. Great info. The amounts of drugs like opium, heroin, cocaine, codeine were so widely used.
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:33 PM
Jan 2023

Many bottles of meds would have a line on the bottle to refill when you reached this point. So many were addicted by virtue of the drug and dosage advice. The article I read stated that chances were, your grandparents (great?) were addicts.
Sorry to digress, but interesting from a historical perspective.

BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
27. Oh yeah
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 09:54 PM
Jan 2023

the FDA has an interesting history because of what are now class as "narcotics" that were common at one time, but then later dealing with regulating stuff like this (although most of the below came out before the FD&C Act ) -

BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
29. They still have paregoric (tincture) on the market
Wed Feb 1, 2023, 11:53 AM
Feb 2023

but very restricted like other opiate drugs and by prescription only. I don't even know how much if any is prescribed of it much anymore (although I expect under certain circumstances - perhaps for those who are hospitalized - a few might be taking it).

What I do miss is the codeine cough medicine (OTC). That stuff works way better than guaifenesin but oh well.

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
7. Why is bankruptcy even an option for corprations to avoid paying such damages?
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 07:23 PM
Jan 2023

When I looked into filing bankruptcy years ago, the lawyer made it very clear that doing so wouldn't get me out of any court-appointed fines.

But for corporations it's a different story?

BumRushDaShow

(129,082 posts)
15. With the OP article update, it's apparently a "Texas" thing
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 09:46 PM
Jan 2023
J&J is among four major companies that have filed so-called Texas two-step bankruptcies to avoid potentially massive lawsuit exposure. The tactic involves creating a subsidiary to absorb the liabilities and to immediately file for Chapter 11.


That actually hints at some of what Alex Jones was doing with his bankruptcy in TX (given his InfoWars parent company was located there) and funneling assets into a shell company.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
16. No
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 10:06 PM
Jan 2023

BK won't discharge intentional conduct, which all fines are considered to be. General liability it will discharge. So a BK will discharge liability related to a car wreck, but possibly not if it was DUI related.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,299 posts)
17. My son and I have been following the use of divisive mergers for a while
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 02:06 AM
Jan 2023

These divisive mergers are a scam to cheat plaintiffs out of the right to recover. My son sent me the opinion that I will read tomorrow

Bayard

(22,096 posts)
20. Another thought
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 01:27 PM
Jan 2023

What has happened to the babies that this baby powder was used on? I don't see anything on a quick Google.

I did find this:
"In 2014,New York Times reported, J&J's baby shampoo NO LONGER contained two potentially harmful chemicals, formaldehyde and 1,4-dioxane."
https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/j-j-s-no-more-tears-baby-shampoo-contains-cancer-causing-substance-119040100280_1.html

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
21. Adult women - main purchasers
Tue Jan 31, 2023, 01:34 PM
Jan 2023

Though talcum powder has been promoted as soft and gentle enough for babies, and is sold with other infant products in stores, adult women have long been the main purchasers, using baby powder in pubic areas and to prevent chafing between the legs. Many women in hot climates use baby powder to stay dry. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/health/baby-powder-cancer.html

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