Trump seeks to block Pence's grand jury testimony in 2020 election interference probe
Source: CNN Politics
CNN Former President Donald Trump has asked a federal court to block former Vice President Mike Pence from speaking to a grand jury about certain matters covered by executive privilege as part of the criminal investigation into efforts to overturn Trumps 2020 election loss, sources familiar with the move told CNN.
The request, in a new filing submitted secretly in a sealed proceeding on Friday, comes after the Trump team had already indicated to special counsel Jack Smith, who is overseeing the Justice Departments criminal investigations into Trump, that the former president intended to assert privilege over Pences testimony.
The DOJ had previously asked a judge to compel Pences appearance before the grand jury, CNN reported last week. It is unclear how long it will take for the sealed proceedings to unfold, but its possible that the district court resolves the dispute, or that it will be appealed to a federal appeals court and perhaps, eventually, to the US Supreme Court.
Since taking over the DOJ investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, Smith, who has a reputation for moving quickly, has accelerated the probes pace. The grand jury subpoena that has been issued to Pence seeks documents and testimony related to the events of January 6, 2021, when the US Capitol was attacked by pro-Trump rioters as Congress prepared to certify the 2020 election results.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/04/politics/2020-election-investigation-trump-pence-testimony
More hurdles.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)right wing judge sympathetic to tfg. The judge shopping continues.
Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)Not counting the months "since" any longer, but only the months left "until" democracy is in danger again.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)republianmushroom
(13,590 posts)25 months and counting
PSPS
(13,594 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,585 posts)It's like that terrifying lame duck period between the election and the inauguration, when TFG still had his pudgy finger on the nuclear button: "Now, which leaders haven't treated me fairly?"
Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, placed roadblocks in front of former President Donald Trumps ability to launch a nuclear strike as top officials voiced concerns about his mental health after the January 6 attack on the Capitol, according to a book excerpt from reporter Bob Woodward. Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, placed roadblocks in front of former President Donald Trumps ability to launch a nuclear strike as top officials voiced concerns about his mental health after the January 6 attack on the Capitol, according to a book excerpt from reporter Bob Woodward.
. . .
Milley had received a call from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who contemporaneously made public her demands that Milley [prevent] an unhinged president from using the nuclear codes reportedly telling her I agree with you on everything, after she said Trump has been crazy for a long time.
Using nukes was a question he asked multiple times during a pre-transition briefing: a foreign policy expert went to advise Donald Trump, . . . three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons three times he asked. At one point, "If we have them, why cant we use them?
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)on North Vietnam. I didnt know any better; just that an atomic bomb made Japan surrender. My dad had to explain to me why "the bomb" wasnt just a bomb that was bigger than any OTHER bomb.
Trump needed someone to explain it to HIM like a 6 yr old
Voltaire2
(13,023 posts)This is utter bullshit. He's is not the executive. He has no authority over the executive branch.
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)it's better that Trump does not face justice. One, there is no risk of him being found innocent. Remember, for Trump, a "not guilty" verdict means he's innocent. Like he is for all his other crimes. Two, by not having to face justice, the sentences meted out to his insurrectionist supporters are even more egregious. And as far as the justice system goes, Trump and his like are special.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)For one thing, a conviction - any conviction - would preclude him from ever running for high office again. I really don't care what the ChumpHumpers think or how they feel. That's totally irrelevant. Once he's convicted he's done.
Chump has already admitted his guilt, but not under oath. He discussed his plans to break the law with several people including Mike Pence. Pence heard the entire plan for January 6th, and to Mike's credit he recognized what clusterfuck the whole thing was. Others can also testify against Chump and prove him guilty, for example Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani and several of Chump's own family members.
Once Chump is indicted - and he will be - it's the first step and we'll have a monumental, historic trial and possibly it will be several trials. I find it hard to believe that the legal proceedings against Chump will all end with him getting "not guilty" decisions. I doubt that he'd get convicted on everything, but all it takes is ONE conviction.
Sentencing will be a different matter and lots of conflicted feelings there too. I'm thinking that at least some federal judges would refrain from giving Chump prison time, it may end up being some kind of "house arrest" situation. I don't know, and I won't make any predictions in that regard.
Make no mistake, Chump will be indicted.
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)Being seen as a failure would be a worse punishment for a thing like him. Putting him in jail makes him a martyr. Unless he's executed for treason, then even if he's a martyr he's a dead one.
ColinC
(8,291 posts)Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)f.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,601 posts)He will lose again.
Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)How many days?
Of course he will lose again, but he doesn't care about losing in court at this point.
That should be obvious. That's how he... delays... delays and delays.
Then... oops!! It's pre-election blackout time and we have no "comey" here...
Fiendish Thingy
(15,601 posts)This time, they may not even grant cert, and let the lower court ruling (and their previous precedent) stand.
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)The ONLY chance he has, is COURTS STALLING their decisions. He has NO CHANCE to actually winning ANY executive privilege. PERIOD!
iluvtennis
(19,852 posts)Al Gorhythm
(19 posts)Beginning to believe that the song "A Boy Named Sue" was written about Trump in his youth.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)When is SC Smith's preemptive filing to be ruled on?
ancianita
(36,053 posts)What a pile of legal horseshit.
DENVERPOPS
(8,817 posts)is going to go on forever and forever. I am old and don't expect I will see any resolution, even a tiny one, in my lifetime.
AND people wonder why young couples are choosing NOT to bring an innocent party into what is happening now and in the foreseeable future......
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)He'll run out the clock until DeSantis pardons him.
CodyPhilips
(11 posts)KS Toronado
(17,220 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,897 posts)Trumps not getting re-selected. Hes going to jail.
Aviation Pro
(12,164 posts)Go fuck yourself, Bloated Tick.
thenelm1
(854 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Pence has a unique role in the election certification process that is independent of his duties as an executive department employee. How then would Trump be able to invoke Executive Privilege? Also, there is an Executive Privilege exclusion in matters criminal in nature. Indeed, hasn't Trump already lost 1 case involving the exclusion?