Law enforcement agencies are prepping for a possible Trump indictment as early as next week

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: NBC News

Local, state, and federal law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that former president Donald Trump could be indicted as early as next week, according to five senior officials familiar with the preparations.

Law enforcement agencies are conducting preliminary security assessments, the officials say, and are discussing potential security plans for in and around the Manhattan Criminal Court at 100 Centre Street in case former president Trump is charged in connection with an alleged hush money payment to Stormy Daniels and travels to New York to face any charges.

The officials stress that the interagency conversations and planning are precautionary in nature because no charges have been filed.

The agencies involved include the NYPD, New York State Court Officers, the U.S. Secret Service, the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, and the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, the officials say.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/law-enforcement-agencies-are-prepping-possible-trump-indictment-early-rcna75493

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[EYESORE 9001]

1. Feeling froggy? Jump!

I hope MAGAts get all turgid with rage, then act out to the extent they get their asses handed to them. Once shit gets real, they’ll squeal.

[riversedge]

3. I think some-not many -have learned their lesson of Jan6th.--Trump WILL NOT STAND WITH THEM!!......

And a few of the Proud Boys leads have said it publicly. We shall see.

[Traildogbob]

6. I am sick of their threats

And trumps instigating them. I would like to see a press conference with The President giving a stern warning that if you come out armed and ready to kill citizens for trump, you WILL be met with the same force we would impose on ANY terrorist in any part of the world. Be warned, you will be met with the force it takes to take down any terroristic attacks against American citizen.
And the leaders sitting safely behind key boards, pod casts and treasonous media outlets, GQP Clerics, like Bannon, Tuckums and Trump, Will be hunted, and silenced, even if you run like Hawley. Attack us at your own risk.
Biden took an oath to protect the citizens from all enemies.
Silenced peacefully of course. Cut their power, literally.

[calimary]

21. "... from all enemies, foreign and domestic."

“…foreign AND DOMESTIC.”

[Fiendish Thingy]

38. That's not in the presidential oath. Nt

[Beastly Boy]

2. Law enforcement agencies are prepping for something that will never happen

According to some pundits on DU.

But I am not at all phased by this. I am fully prepared for the goal posts to move sideways again.
Just to make it clear: nothing would make me happier than if they didn't move, and I will be the first one to apologize in this case, but I will believe it when I don't see it.

[getagrip_already]

11. I never thought states wouldn't bring charges...

The doj however, just never had its head in the game; at least until Smith started.

But the NY charges will likely be pretty weak sauce. Even if convicted, it is unlikely any jail time will result.

So Bragg whiffed on the really hard hitting charges and landed on minor financial reporting crimes. Meh.

GA may be harder hitting, if Fannie is allowed to continue in her job.

Federal? Not this year.

[Beastly Boy]

13. That makes you an exception

Most "Trump indictments will never happen" prophesies I have seen were absolute and indiscriminate.

As far as DOJ indictments, I reserve my time to respond to you for a later date.

[getagrip_already]

15. You might be right, 8 months is a big window.....

But Smith is really only getting started and there are a lot of obstacles that need to work there way to scotus.

[Fiendish Thingy]

39. From what we know, Smith started on third base thanks to Garland

And now is heading for home plate.

Judge just ordered one of Trump’s lawyers to testify to Smith’s GJ under crime/fraud exception- if Smith was “just getting started”, he would have been able to convince the judge that the exception applied.

[Cheezoholic]

34. She can't be touched by that proposed new GA law

until after July 1, 2024 even if they would try.

[evolves]

50. Bringing in Smith is evidence

that DOJ absolutely DOES have their heads in the game. If you are going to indict a former POTUS, you'd better have an airtight case, and that doesn't happen overnight.

[Novara]

4. I would assume the court will have to give a heads-up to law enforcement

I hadn't thought about it until now, but it makes sense.

If he is indicted, how does he get to court for the arraignment. I wonder? Will they have to go get him, LOL?

[BumRushDaShow]

5. "I hadn't thought about it until now,"

I know that *I* had thought about it from day one when the first grand juries for whatever - federal cases or the cases in 2 different states got underway - and how any indictment would require a huge LEO operation due to the virulent violence of the MAGat crowd. And a concern that I had was for states with loon state legislatures or governors where there would need to be some kind of coordination in case you have like what happened in MI at the state Capitol, happen anew - targeted at "blue" cities in those states, with MAGAt elected officials doing their best to thwart an effective response.

There's just a lot of logistics that would need to be planned out in detail, where they would have to prepare for the very worst and hope for the better of possible negative outcomes.

[Novara]

10. so what happens for the arraignment?

Does he come in voluntarily or do they have to drag him in?

That's when all the insanity in the streets near the courthouse will happen. They will have to block streets and be prepared for violence. I would hope these assholes would have learned from Jan. 6 but I don't think they're smart enough to learn a damn thing.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. Remember this?

It would happen the same way, although probably with more SS. He's not going to put on a production for that but will use the media to do his production for him. The logistics for the administrative stuff are also going to be altered to a degree because of the Secret Service (who would obviously be following directives in cooperation with a state). But consider you have had other former high-level elected officials who have been indicted and dealt with like Rod Blagojevich (recently pardoned) and Tom Delay (whose conviction was overturned).

[NYC Liberal]

25. Tom Delay

Now there’s an asshole whose name I haven’t heard in a minute.

I remember him holding votes at 2AM to ram bills through during the Bush error.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. I know a few weeks ago

I saw some thread where his name came up like an ugly blast from the past.

[erronis]

44. And that's the pity. We (and MSM) forget about people like Abramoff, Norquist, Scanlon, Gingrich,

etc...

We need a "Wall of Shame" that we can visit daily to see who has been added and where the perps are currently.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Gingrich has been the architect of the nightmare that the GOP has become

I post the below excerpt about him periodically -

The Man Who Broke Politics

Newt Gingrich turned partisan battles into bloodsport, wrecked Congress, and paved the way for Trump’s rise. Now he’s reveling in his achievements.

Story by McKay Coppins
November 2018 Issue

Updated on October 17, 2018

(snip)

On June 24, 1978, Gingrich stood to address a gathering of College Republicans at a Holiday Inn near the Atlanta airport. It was a natural audience for him. At 35, he was more youthful-looking than the average congressional candidate, with fashionably robust sideburns and a cool-professor charisma that had made him one of the more popular faculty members at West Georgia College. But Gingrich had not come to deliver an academic lecture to the young activists before him—he had come to foment revolution.

“One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty,” he told the group. “We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.” For their party to succeed, Gingrich went on, the next generation of Republicans would have to learn to “raise hell,” to stop being so “nice,” to realize that politics was, above all, a cutthroat “war for power”—and to start acting like it.

The speech received little attention at the time. Gingrich was, after all, an obscure, untenured professor whose political experience consisted of two failed congressional bids. But when, a few months later, he was finally elected to the House of Representatives on his third try, he went to Washington a man obsessed with becoming the kind of leader he had described that day in Atlanta. The GOP was then at its lowest point in modern history. Scores of Republican lawmakers had been wiped out in the aftermath of Watergate, and those who’d survived seemed, to Gingrich, sadly resigned to a “permanent minority” mind-set. “It was like death,” he recalls of the mood in the caucus. “They were morally and psychologically shattered.”

But Gingrich had a plan. The way he saw it, Republicans would never be able to take back the House as long as they kept compromising with the Democrats out of some high-minded civic desire to keep congressional business humming along. His strategy was to blow up the bipartisan coalitions that were essential to legislating, and then seize on the resulting dysfunction to wage a populist crusade against the institution of Congress itself. “His idea,” says Norm Ornstein, a political scientist who knew Gingrich at the time, “was to build toward a national election where people were so disgusted by Washington and the way it was operating that they would throw the ins out and bring the outs in.”

(snip)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/

And he is STILL behind the scenes planning and plotting and instigating.

And I also reminded people about Norquist and how his dream came true in 2017 -

Both Gingrich and Norquist generated our worst nightmare.

[erronis]

55. Do you think that these critters are actually the force behind the de-democratization process?

I do think that Gingrich and Norquist are smart (and evil) people.

I don't think that they were/are operating as true forces, monetarily/organizationally, for the movement.

I hate to keep thinking in the "follow-the-money, conspiratorial" mode, but these individuals wouldn't have the ability to fund and motivate such a large swath of the RW tools.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Oh definitely

They were the "planners" and the Kochs (et al) were the funders to make it so.

Unfortunately the catalyst to set it in motion came with the election of Barack Obama and in 2010, with the dual hits of "Citizen's United" and the Kochs funding the crazy (as well the peak of the RW propaganda machine) the plan was executed. You saw the "moderate" Republicans and even some of the more conservative but still not loon ones get primaried and more and more extremists were elected from their side. Meanwhile our side was busy getting rid of our own moderates who we felt stymied our policy objectives and they were replaced with... surprise surprise... Republicans.

The result was a GOP rout, barely 4 years after Democrats had finally regained control of the House after 12 years of GOP control.

2010 was a census year to boot and the gerrymandering that took place was breathtaking, essentially locking Democrats out of governance in Congress and many states, for a decade.

So when it comes to what you see now for them, there are different people with different roles and they had a lot of help to get there. However they also created a monster when they did all this and can no longer control it.

[erronis]

71. So this is still the libertarian/RW funders that are pulling the strings. Access to $$$ strings.

The individual players have changed over time. The Kochs being early founders; and the later dollars-come-lately such as Thiel and DeVos piling on.

Originally I don't think the evangelicals were considered part of the troops to assault democracy, but over a couple of decades they were found to be easy to exploit.

I totally recommend Anne Nelson's Shadow Network for the little I understand of this.

[BumRushDaShow]

74. They made sure they packed the SCOTUS

and the results (ROI or return on investment) were finally achieved once that and the tax cuts for the rich were implemented in 2017.

This is why the Koch's "Americans for Prosperity" and Yast's "Club for Growth" have now done a pivot for who they are supporting in 2024 for their next phase.

What they have been doing over the last decade for example, was funding a pile of school board elections around the country, to foment upheavals over newly-created "wedge issues" that would keep the "masses" tied up in nonsensical battles over banning or not banning certain curriculum and educational content, or otherwise generating discord over how a school district will be managed (usually no longer in a fair way), while the PTB plan the demise of SS.

[gldstwmn]

63. He went to prison and then Dancing With the Stars.

Only in America.

[Fiendish Thingy]

43. Rich people make appointments to surrender for booking

But with Trump, it’s more complicated, of course.

At his arraignment, the judge will set pretrial conditions for Trump- likely released on his own recognizance, perhaps surrender his passport, but more importantly, the judge may place a gag order on Trump speaking publicly about the trial, including on social media, and may bar him from having contact with any witnesses or potential co-defendants.

Trump would likely want to delay these pre-trial conditions, and his fate would be in the hands of…

Ron DeSantis.

The FL constitution requires DeSantis to cooperate with the extradition of residents to other states, however, he is allowed, IIRC, up to 60 days to “review the paperwork” before complying with the extradition orders.

So, Tiny D will have to decide which option works best for him- extradite Trump immediately, or let him twist in the wind for a bit…or I guess he could go full fascist and say he won’t comply at all and go to court to fight it…not sure how that helps him in the long run.

[Novara]

47. A gag order would be fucking perfect. He can't keep himself from whining.

And you know he's gonna try some witness tampering. That's his MO.

But I'd like to see him refuse to show up on his own for the arraignment. That would be entertaining.

[getagrip_already]

12. It probably wasn't the court since no indictments have happened yet...

Unless they are sealed.

It's more likely the da reached out to the state and feds giving them a heads up.

[IronLionZion]

7. So much build up of anticipation

I hope it actually happens

[Bird Lady]

8. Oh not again!

I have fallen for the "end is near" in relation to someone growing a pair and throwing the
scourge that is known as tfg, in prison. I can no longer hope this will be done until I see him in orange.

[Cha]

9. For Idiots who want to

Fuck Around and Find Out!

[bluedigger]

14. "as early as" is not how I would have phrased it.

"Soon"? Maybe. "Finally"? Better. "At long last"? Yeah, that sounds right.

[Princess Turandot]

16. In Lower Manhattan? A parade is more likely than a protest..

.. although that might wait until there's court action beyond an indictment. And, of course, the leaders of his once most-likely-to-show-up-to-brawl posse are cooling their heels in a DC courtroom now. And several of them now hate his guts!

If Trump does appear in court in person, they'll drive him into the building. It's very likely that he would be released on his own recognizance. (And he will of course file an appeal to quash any indictment.)

[James48]

17. Next week?

Can’t come too soon for me.

Lock him up!

[bluestarone]

19. IF they pull the same shit as Jan 6, I say

Way past time for HIGH pressure water hose on these fuckers!! (Then ARREST)

[MontanaMama]

29. I'm not a violent person but

my vote would be to take them out with something with a little more oomph than water. Eff around and find out.

[Javaman]

20. when it happens it happens. I'm not going to get my hopes up anymore...

I have been burned so bad in the past, I have a running 1st degree burn

[calimary]

22. I know how you feel, my friend.

[Hekate]

23. I hope this means there is heightened security at govt buildings across the 50 states

They just need to be alert to the possibilities and have plans in place. Kind of like what they should have done prior to 1/6.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. There would have to be

Federal buildings know the drill but the state ones, sadly not so much because other than their local protests, they're not really used to being "under assault" (not counting a handful who have had some attempts).

[GGoss]

26. Thank You For This !!!

[SomedayKindaLove]

28. And if Trump refuses to go to NY

Then what?

[BumRushDaShow]

32. He still owns buildings, including a penthouse there

I posted this upthread when he was up there 5th Amendmenting in Manhattan in a courtroom there right when they had raided Mar-a-lago this past summer -

He would use any "indictment" as a P.R. opportunity and would fuel all kinds of money-laundered fundraising and attention.

[Novara]

49. Hm...

He would use any "indictment" as a P.R. opportunity and would fuel all kinds of money-laundered fundraising and attention.

Unless he's slapped with a gag order.

This could be fun.

[BumRushDaShow]

52. "Gag order" would probably be a struggle to enforce

although he has many surrogates still walking around.

See Roger Stone who was finally "silenced".... until now (and it seems the circus tent is now being erected) -

Roger Stone to make first NYC appearance since pardon at boozy party

By Oli Coleman

March 10, 2023 | 9:38pm



You can’t keep a good man down. Or Roger Stone, apparently. The famed dirty tricks artist was convicted in 2019 of obstructing Congress in its investigation into then-President Trump, only for Trump to commute his sentence in 2020.

Now scot-free Stone is expected to make his first public appearance in New York since the brouhaha.

Page Six is told that erstwhile “Twinks for Trump” noisemaker Lucian Wintrich and the New York Young Republican Club are throwing a joint bash to welcome Stone — who’s been in Florida — back to the Big Apple.

We’re told he’s going to teach partygoers Richard Nixon’s secret martini recipe. (Lobbyist and political consultant Stone’s first job in politics was on Nixon’s 1972 campaign, and he infamously has a huge tattoo of the disgraced president’s face on his back).

(snip)

https://pagesix.com/2023/03/10/roger-stone-to-make-first-ny-appearance-since-pardon-at-boozy-bash/

[Warpy]

30. It was imminent in January

I feel certain another bit of "evidence" will surface that will delay proceedings another few months into perpetuity, it's what he's always done, delay things until the clock runs out.

Besides, he'll be tipped off well in advance if anything turns serious and John Barron will jet off to Dubai.

[BumRushDaShow]

33. Remember there are MANY "cases" in play

This is probably one of the least impactful ones - the Stormy Daniels one - at least based on the build up of specific witness testimony covered by the media this week.

The bigger NY state case would be the fraud one that Tisha James has been working on -

New York to Trump: No more delay in civil fraud case
Attorney General Letitia James urged a judge to reject Trump's bid to delay the case, saying the former president might use his 2024


March 16, 2023, 11:25 AM EDT / Source: Reuters
By Reuters

New York’s attorney general urged a state judge to reject Donald Trump’s bid to delay her civil fraud case against him, and said the former U.S. president might use his 2024 White House run as an excuse for further delay.

In a Wednesday night court filing, Attorney General Letitia James said her office had provided Trump and other defendants with an “enormous quantity” of material, including 1.7 million documents and interview transcripts for 56 witnesses.

She said that negates their plea for an extra six months to gather evidence to defend themselves adequately at trial, now scheduled for Oct. 2, and accused them of being slow to conduct their own witness depositions. “The record defendants have and are compiling is more than sufficient to afford them due process and prevent the trial from becoming a game of surprise,” James said.

“When the calendar turns over into 2024, Donald J. Trump will be in the midst of a campaign for President,” she added. “Defendants have used his campaign as a reason for delay in both 2016 and 2020. There is no reason to believe 2024 will be any different.” Lawyers for the defendants did not immediately respond on Thursday to requests for comment.

(snip)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/new-york-trump-no-delay-civil-fraud-case-rcna75282

And there is also the E. Jean Carroll case.

Those are "state cases" and don't even touch on the GA state/county case nor any of the federal cases (classified document mishandling, obstructing justice, etc).

IOW, there is a fusillade of possibilities underway now.

[Warpy]

40. Right, this one is only a misdemeanor

but I think he knows that once that first indictment of a former president drops, the others will soon follow because the legal Rubicon will have been crossed, that protection of our former presidents isn't limitless.

So 'scuse me for my skepticism. I've watched too much human garbage walk free.

[BumRushDaShow]

48. If the political infrastructure in NY hadn't been so corrupt over the past century

but specifically over the past 50 years, he would have never gotten this far. The last time he was charged was with his father in the early '70s -

Major Landlord Accused Of Antiblack Bias in City

By Morris Kaplan

Oct. 16, 1973



The Department of Justice, charging discrimination against blacks in apartment rentals, brought suit in Federal Court in Brooklyn yesterday against the Trump Management Corporation, a major owner and manager of real estate here. The corporation, which owns and rents more than 14,000 apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island, was accused of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968 in its operation of 39 buildings. Most are in Coney Island, Brooklyn, and in Jamaica Estates and Forest Hills, Queens.

Seeking an injunction to halt alleged discriminatory practises, the Government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals “because of race and color.” It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.

At the corporation's main office, 600 Avenue Z in Brooklyn, Donald Trump, president, denied the charges. “They are absolutely ridiculous,” he said. “We never have discriminated, and we never would. There have been a number of local actions against us, and we've won them all. We were charged with discrimination, and we proved in court that we did not discriminate.”

Mr. Trump and his father, Fred C. Trump, the principal stockholder and corporate board chairman, were also named as defendants. They are required to respond to the complaint within 20 days. The Trump family has been in the real‐estate business for more than 40 years. In Washington, J. Stanley Pottinger, assistant attorney general in charge of the Justice Department's civil‐rights division, termed the suit the second major rental discrimination action begun by the department in the last two years.

(snip)

https://www.nytimes.com/1973/10/16/archives/major-landlord-accused-of-antiblack-bias-in-city-us-accuses-major.html

He is the apple that didn't fall far from the tree because 20 years earlier, this happened related to his father -

[LiberalLovinLug]

31. Not that I think this will never happen...or that I won't cheer when/if it does

But I am waaaaaaay past the point of "you'll have to show me first"

[angrychair]

35. Yep and monkeys

May fly out of my butt.

"Any day now" is literally it's own meme. I would love for trump to get arrested. Really.
That said we have been hearing "next week" for years.

Part of me has resigned itself to the fact it's just how people cope with the world we live it. They want to believe it's fair. That justice, despite all evidence to the contrary, does actually get the bad guys sometimes instead of, more often than not, being just another form of oppression.

Rich get more, the rest of get less and that's just the way is the world.
Because no actually wants it any different.

In France, they increased the retirement age by 2 years and the whole country is on fire and the government may implode.

In America, they are doing far worse, almost daily, and no one even gives a shit.
Kids are being slaughtered by gun nuts and it barely makes the news.
Rent goes up and house prices go up and homeless population has grown exponentially yet we just sit down and behave and do nothing.

Part of me realizes we want to be poor and desperate. To be controlled by a dictator. We want to be miserable. I don't know why but the evidence is undeniable.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we'll start to get better. Next week.

[HardPort]

36. This is a wise precaution because the celebrations could certainly get pretty rowdy.

I know I'll be popping the bubbly myself.

[Backseat Driver]

37. Sounds sort of like quite a large "special training operation."

Last edited Fri Mar 17, 2023, 04:33 PM - Edit history (3)

Recall what happened next?

Dang, really, we thought of everything but where that weary warrior, that best-trained and supplied, violent, kinetic and prepared opportunist, John Wick, is when you need him?"

"https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2023/03/john-wick-chapter-4-movie-review/673419/

Chapter 4: "Thinking of Everything"
Theater release Date: March 24, 2023.

Oh, maybe they (LEO agencies) did think of everything?
Should we get tickets, try to stream the first three chapters, or have a snack and go to bed?

Cupboards full of at the ready!
"
UPDATE: Oh goodness, mea culpa, I'm sorry to learn this:
https://www.10tv.com/article/news/nation-world/lance-reddick-john-wick-dies/507-fb46b83a-b2ca-4507-bce7-3fe2c470f1f7
‘John Wick’ star Lance Reddick dies - Just announced - Oh snip it all but this!

In the "John Wick" franchise, Reddick played Charon, a concierge at The Continental Hotel." I just watched Chapter 1 and really liked his character, so this is really sad

Don't ask where my sarcastic brain goes next: Like the FBI arresting the Chinese billionnaire in his NY suite early yesterday (international incident?) and then a mysterious fire while LEO agents still in the building...and Xi visiting Putin next week...and missing NARA top secret documents TFG took and kept for unknown purposes (American MAGA court intrigue).

So, so sorry! -- Ummm...we do have a forum for Creative Speculation but what's done is done, and I apologize

[Upthevibe]

41. BumRushDaShow.........

I feel like something may actually happen to dt for the first time (I've felt this way).

My thoughts have been that if something was about to come down, cities (I'm thinking all over the country) will need to be on alert for nut case MAGAT's....And not just in New York and Georgia.

I live in Los Angeles and have been here since '88. I was working at a luxury hotel by LAX in 1992. The General Manager called a special meeting for all department heads (I was the Director of Convention Services)
when word came out that the Rodney King jury had reached a decision (but the verdict hadn't been read yet).

Our security department at the hotel was awesome..... but hey, that's just one team at one hotel in a city of 3 1/2 million (at the time).

Darrell effing Gates will go down in my mind as pond scum who should have been arrested for dereliction of duty! Those riots didn't have to happen the way they did. I was enraged that those awful cops were found innocent too. Something should have been planned. And where was Gates that day/night? Attending an effing fund raiser!

BTW, I don't AT ALL mean to compare the rioters here during Rodney King to the MAGAT's. My point is that cities need to be as prepared as possible when something big is about to happen.

[Novara]

51. This news would not have leaked if there wasn't reason for it

I'm often in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp but I can think of no possible reason this information would be public now if this first indictment isn't going to happen.

I also believe that once one indictment comes down, more will follow because that rubicon will be crossed: an ex-president under criminal indictment. This may be a minor case compared to all the other criming he's done, but why not have this "little" one be the one that breaks the logjam, eh?

[Upthevibe]

58. Novara..........

Good points.....

[ShazzieB]

78. Exactly.

All of these LE agencies are not making all of these high level preparations just for funsies. Refusing to comment is also a pretty big tell.

[BumRushDaShow]

57. I am a retired fed who was working here in Philly during the time of the Oklahoma City Bombing

in 1995 and saw how that impacted the entire building's security profile - literally changing which entrances/exits we could use, new installations of fisheye cameras, a whole new setup of magnetometers, a new type of photo ID card, etc.

9/11 took it up a number of notches as legislation came out not long after, that established a new Department of Homeland Security, where I watched some friends in other agencies in my multi-agency building, get moved to that new entity and we had more cameras installed along with implementing what was dubbed - "HSPD-12" that required "PIV" cards, that has biometric data (fingerprints) on the chip on the card, etc.

We have been so remote now from that time although I know that here in Philly during the 2020 election, we became a hotbed of rhetorical attacks from the GOP and their leadership and had even had a few real "attacks" that were planned and thwarted at the big vote-counting operation that went on here at the PA Convention Center.

Luckily we are a deep deep blue city ((D)s outnumber (R)s by 7 - 1) so rather than violence, we were celebratory. But one wonders had the vote gone the other way although I doubt RW loons would try anything here. But they made nuisances of themselves in our courts and in Congress as we were one of only 2 states selected to go through a full Electoral challenge in Congress (including voting in both chambers) to try to throw out our Electoral certificate of ascertainment.

So I agree that (as I had posted upthread) I had been concerned about security once grand juries started to get impaneled.

[Upthevibe]

61. BumRushDaShow .....

Thank you so much for your OP and your additional posts....

Gosh I LOVE DU!!

[BumRushDaShow]

65. You are welcome

and I love DU too!! So many knowledgeable people!!!!

[Ligyron]

42. Trump has committed SO many crimes, state and federal, there's just no way he doesn't get indicted.

Of that I have no doubt.

Whether he receives the punishment he deserves is another matter entirely.

[pfitz59]

45. I'm tired of this game

He incited an insurrection and foreswore his oath! Lock him up with no bail.

[Fiendish Thingy]

46. I'm not worried about violence in the streets

But I understand the need to prepare for security if Trump surrenders next week.

I think any violence would more likely take the form of threats to the prosecutors.

[cab67]

56. To a certain extent, I am.

By and large, Manhattan isn't home to a whole lot of MAGA knobs. Even the otherwise conservative Wall Street crowd has little use for him - he was their useful idiot for a while, but they've known he's a scam artist since the 1980's, and they're smart enough to know he's electoral poison. But they also know he's likely to get the Republican nomination in 2024 unless he's somehow eliminated. Tossing him the sneezer might accomplish that.

The problem is TFG's supporters from outside New York. Red Hatters have shown a willingness to travel if they think their leader is under attack. Not too many J6 insurrectionists came from DC, for example.

Moreover, they're as likely to assemble in DC, and possibly Albany, as in Manhattan.

I ran into someone wearing a Trump hat while flying out of state earlier this week. I know TFG still has loyal cultists, but I was both aghast and surprised that someone would admit it in public. Perhaps I shouldn't have been surprised.

[Tommy Carcetti]

60. There are plenty of Trumpists everywhere.

Including in New York City, and surrounding areas.

[SheltieLover]

53. The day MF45 is jailed should truly be declared a national holidday!

[Oak2004]

76. Party planning here

Right now I'm in "rehab" (aka a nursing home) finishing up my sentence for committing the crime of old crappy knees. I'm getting out Wednesday. If Trump is indicted Tuesday, I am holding a pizza party for the ward. No need to explain why (lots of _very_ old, probably very conservative, people here). It'll probably be assumed I'm just happy to go home 😂

[SheltieLover]

77. Congrats on your upcoming release!

Hahaha! Love your party planning.

It must be like hell on earth living closely with magas!

Enjoy!

[imavoter]

59. Where's frumpy's passport? Flight plans? nt

[paleotn]

62. Two words. Perp walk.

[progressoid]

64. Hmm...

Not going to hold my breath.

These things have been reported before.

[orangecrush]

67. Put on your hardhat and goggles

MAGAT heads will be exploding everywhere!

[Rhiannon12866]

68. Promising news, but I agree, security is paramount!

[FakeNoose]

69. K & R Awesome news!

[EndlessWire]

70. Questions

How do we know that Bragg isn't going for that felony charge?

So, they haven't filed the charges yet. If all they file are misdemeanor charges, is Trump required to be there? I can't remember how it went with Bannon. I know that he eventually showed up in court and they gave him bail for the appeal. I expect Trump's will go the same way. I just can't remember how that went.

The cops are getting the heads up. To me, this is prep for an indictment filing. But, I don't remember today how that goes. Indictment means they can arrest him immediately, doesn't it? So, if he is there, the judge can let him go home, or throw him in jail until his lawyers work it out?

I seem to remember that Bannon was in cuffs for like five seconds. If he doesn't show up, do his lawyers get to negotiate for a future surrender?

I want one lousy picture of this bastard in cuffs. Please, just at least one...

I think that he is getting indicted. It won't be like one of us getting a traffic ticket, where we promise to show up in 30 days, right?

[brettdale]

72. Can it happen in the weekend?

Or does it have to be a week day?

[ificandream]

73. I really wonder if all this media attention is overdoing it.

Compare this to Nixon. There was no frenzied anticipation of an indictment as there is now. Why should there be all this handwringing? The stories are clearly saying there's been no word. So really, it's not nearly as much of a story as media sources are making it.

[BumRushDaShow]

75. Nixon wasn't undergoing a criminal investigation for indictment. But Agnew WAS.

Nixon was being threatened with impeachment (which is not a criminal process but an administrative one by Congress) and his eventual resignation ended that process, where the other purveyors of the crime and coverup were eventually indicted and convicted, and he was spared in exchange.

But a year before, Agnew, when presented with potential criminal charges where he was ready to be indicted for them, opted to do a plea deal and resign.