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BumRushDaShow

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Thu Mar 30, 2023, 05:29 PM Mar 2023

Donald Trump Is Indicted in New York: Live Updates

Last edited Thu Mar 30, 2023, 11:11 PM - Edit history (5)

Source: New York Times

A Manhattan grand jury indicted Donald J. Trump on Thursday for his role in paying hush money to a porn star, according to people with knowledge of the matter, a historic development that will shake up the 2024 presidential race and forever mark him as the nation’s first former president to face criminal charges.

On Thursday evening, after news of the charges had been widely reported, the district attorney’s office confirmed that Mr. Trump had been indicted and that prosecutors had contacted Mr. Trump’s attorney to coordinate his surrender to authorities in Manhattan. Mr. Trump is likely to turn himself in on Tuesday, at which point the former president will be photographed and fingerprinted in the bowels of a New York State courthouse, with Secret Service agents in tow. He will then be arraigned, at which point the specific charges will be unsealed.

Mr. Trump faces more than two dozen counts, according to two people familiar with the matter. Mr. Trump has for decades avoided criminal charges despite persistent scrutiny and repeated investigations, creating an aura of legal invincibility that the indictment now threatens to puncture.

But unlike the investigations that arose from his time in the White House — which examined his strong-arm tactics on the international stage, his attempts to overturn the election and his summoning of a mob to the steps of the U.S. Capitol — this case is built around a tawdry episode that predates Mr. Trump’s presidency. The reality star turned presidential candidate who shocked the political establishment by winning the White House now faces a reckoning for a hush-money payment that buried a sex scandal in the final days of the 2016 campaign.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news#the-unprecedented-case-against-trump-will-have-wide-ranging-implications







Article will be continually updated.

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Donald J. Trump was indicted in Manhattan on Thursday for his role in paying hush money to a porn star, according to five people with knowledge of the matter, a historic development that will shake up the 2024 presidential race and forever mark him as the nation's first former president to face criminal charges.

On Thursday evening, after news of the charges had been widely reported, the district attorney's office confirmed that Mr. Trump had been indicted and that prosecutors had contacted Mr. Trump's attorney to coordinate his surrender. Mr. Trump is expected to turn himself in and be arraigned on Tuesday, according to one of his lawyers, Susan R. Necheles, at which point the specific charges will be unsealed.

Mr. Trump faces more than two dozen counts, according to two people familiar with the matter. Mr. Trump had for decades avoided criminal charges despite persistent scrutiny and repeated investigations, creating an aura of legal invincibility that the indictment threatens to puncture. His actions surrounding his 2020 electoral defeat are now the focus of a separate federal investigation, and a Georgia prosecutor is in the final stages of an investigation into Mr. Trump's attempts to reverse the election results in that state.

But unlike the investigations that arose from his time in the White House, this case is built around a tawdry episode that predates Mr. Trump's presidency. The reality star turned presidential candidate who shocked the political establishment by winning the White House now faces a reckoning for a hush money payment that buried a sex scandal in the final days of the 2016 campaign.



Donald J. Trump was indicted in Manhattan on Thursday for his role in paying hush money to a porn star, according to five people with knowledge of the matter, a historic development that will shake up the 2024 presidential race and forever mark him as the nation's first former president to face criminal charges.

On Thursday evening, after news of the charges had been widely reported, the district attorney's office confirmed that Mr. Trump had been indicted and that prosecutors had contacted Mr. Trump's attorney to coordinate his surrender. Three people with knowledge of the matter said Mr. Trump was expected to turn himself in and face arraignment early next week, at which point the specific charges will be unsealed.

Mr. Trump had for decades avoided criminal charges despite persistent scrutiny and repeated investigations, creating an aura of legal invincibility that the indictment threatens to puncture. His actions surrounding his 2020 electoral defeat are now the focus of a separate federal investigation, and a Georgia prosecutor is in the final stages of an investigation into Mr. Trump's attempts to reverse the election results in that state.

But unlike the investigations that arose from his time in the White House, this case is built around a tawdry episode that predates Mr. Trump's presidency. The reality star turned presidential candidate who shocked the political establishment by winning the White House now faces a reckoning for a hush money payment that buried a sex scandal in the final days of the 2016 campaign.



Donald J. Trump was indicted in Manhattan on Thursday for his role in paying hush money to a porn star, according to five people with knowledge of the matter, a historic development that will shake up the 2024 presidential race and forever mark him as the nation's first former president to face criminal charges.

On Thursday evening, after news of the charges had been widely reported, the district attorney's office confirmed that Mr. Trump had been indicted and that prosecutors had contacted Mr. Trump's attorney to coordinate his surrender. Two people with knowledge of the matter said Mr. Trump was expected to turn himself in and face arraignment early next week, at which point the specific charges will be unsealed.

Mr. Trump has for decades avoided criminal charges despite persistent scrutiny and repeated investigations, creating an aura of legal invincibility that the indictment now threatens to puncture. His actions surrounding his 2020 electoral defeat are now the focus of a separate federal investigation, and a Georgia prosecutor is in the final stages of an investigation into Mr. Trump's attempts to reverse the election results in that state.

But unlike the investigations that arose from his time in the White House, this case is built around a tawdry episode that predates Mr. Trump's presidency. The reality star turned presidential candidate who shocked the political establishment by winning the White House now faces a reckoning for a hush money payment that buried a sex scandal in the final days of the 2016 campaign.



Donald J. Trump was indicted in Manhattan on Thursday for his role in paying hush money to a porn star, according to five people with knowledge of the matter, a historic development that will shake up the 2024 presidential race and forever mark him as the nation's first former president to face criminal charges.

In the coming days, prosecutors working for the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, will likely ask Mr. Trump to surrender and to face arraignment. The specific charges will be announced when he is arraigned. Mr. Trump has for decades avoided criminal charges despite persistent scrutiny and repeated investigations, creating an aura of legal invincibility that the indictment now threatens to puncture.

His actions surrounding his 2020 electoral defeat are now the focus of a separate federal investigation, and a Georgia prosecutor is in the final stages of an investigation into Mr. Trump's attempts to reverse the election results in that state.

But unlike the investigations that arose from his time in the White House, this case is built around a tawdry episode that predates Mr. Trump's presidency. The reality star turned presidential candidate who shocked the political establishment by winning the White House now faces a reckoning for a hush money payment that buried a sex scandal in the final days of the 2016 campaign. In a statement, Mr. Trump lashed out at Mr. Bragg, a Democrat, and portrayed the case as the continuation of a politically-motivated witch hunt against him.



Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York: Live Updates

A Manhattan grand jury voted to indict Donald J. Trump on Thursday for his role in paying hush money to a porn star, according to four people with knowledge of the matter, a historic development that will shake up the 2024 presidential race and forever mark him as the nation's first former president to face criminal charges.

The felony indictment, filed under seal by the Manhattan district attorney's office, will likely be announced in the coming days. By then, prosecutors working for the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, will have asked Mr. Trump to surrender and to face arraignment on charges that remain unknown for now.

Mr. Trump has for decades avoided criminal charges despite persistent scrutiny and repeated investigations, creating an aura of legal invincibility that the vote to indict now threatens to puncture. His actions surrounding his 2020 electoral defeat are now the focus of a separate federal investigation, and a Georgia prosecutor is in the final stages of an investigation into Mr. Trump's attempts to reverse the election results in that state.

But unlike the investigations that arose from his time in the White House, this case is built around a tawdry episode that predates Mr. Trump's presidency. The reality star turned presidential candidate who shocked the political establishment by winning the White House now faces a reckoning for a hush money payment that buried a sex scandal in the final days of the 2016 campaign.



Original article -

Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016 campaign.


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A few details - swag Mar 2023 #1
Worthy of a pin this year on the greatest page! Backseat Driver Mar 2023 #27
Under seal...arrest in days..is ok...let the screechers screech their boring screeching. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #98
On my birthday, too!!!!!!!!! Bo Zarts Mar 2023 #2
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Happy birthday, Andy! thatcrowwoman Mar 2023 #180
Adding a HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #219
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Aw, a Fitzmas baby. carpetbagger Mar 2023 #45
Well Happy Birthday to YOU! StarryNite Mar 2023 #47
Mine too! TexLaProgressive Mar 2023 #51
And another HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #57
And a Happy Indictment Birth Day to you!!! Pacifist Patriot Mar 2023 #86
Happy Birthday. How are you observing this day? niyad Mar 2023 #53
Woot! BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #56
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Excellent, unweird. thatcrowwoman Mar 2023 #188
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If I may ... sarge43 Mar 2023 #94
You may! PuraVidaDreamin Mar 2023 #114
First song I thought of when I heard the news ExWhoDoesntCare Mar 2023 #227
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And if I may, also, too thatcrowwoman Mar 2023 #163
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Woo hoo!!!! ificandream Mar 2023 #5
What happens if Trump wins the election though? Would that essentially kill the case until cstanleytech Mar 2023 #6
Don't rain on the parade CanonRay Mar 2023 #30
Yes, please! ShazzieB Mar 2023 #70
gimme a BREAK cstanley...... democratsruletheday Mar 2023 #103
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About damn time. AngryOldDem Mar 2023 #8
Yes, we shall, AngryOldDem. thatcrowwoman Mar 2023 #192
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toast NJCher Mar 2023 #17
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David Pecker, Alan Weiselberg montanacowboy Mar 2023 #12
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Looks and sounds terrific. Cheers! (nt) Paladin Mar 2023 #48
So far, only seeing reported by NYT Miguelito Loveless Mar 2023 #19
WaPo irisblue Mar 2023 #65
All of the major news sources have had this BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #122
The "twice impeached, disgraced, ex-president" thatcrowwoman Mar 2023 #206
O Joyous Day CanonRay Mar 2023 #20
Actually "O Frabjous Day" They_Live Mar 2023 #52
Bingo! FakeNoose Mar 2023 #23
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Keep them coming!!! mysteryowl Mar 2023 #25
Pinch Me!! Deb Mar 2023 #26
lovk him up .... i say give him 15 years in the slammer !!!!!!!!!!!!! Trueblue1968 Mar 2023 #28
Is it true? Marthe48 Mar 2023 #33
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Yay! IcyPeas Mar 2023 #35
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The dam is breaking...👍 MiHale Mar 2023 #38
I really think THAT is what's gonna' happen....... MyOwnPeace Mar 2023 #133
shout out to Trump for being the king of the Firsts.. agingdem Mar 2023 #141
Yeah, and after such a scummy life.... MyOwnPeace Mar 2023 #145
and here's to the possibility of a slue of Firsts.. agingdem Mar 2023 #154
As he always claims to be...... MyOwnPeace Mar 2023 #161
"unindicted co-conspirator" was a long time ago irisblue Mar 2023 #40
i want to see him in HANDCUFFS and in an ORANGE JUMP SUIT!!! YoshidaYui Mar 2023 #41
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First time Kennah Mar 2023 #43
There's a bottle of champagne in the fridge that won't be there tomorrow!! Maeve Mar 2023 #44
Larry the Mouser of Number 10 Downing weighs in irisblue Mar 2023 #46
Have not seen it on our local news yet. You would think this would be breaking news. LiberalFighter Mar 2023 #49
Yippee, all over the news here. Thank you NY Grand Jury. Paper Roses Mar 2023 #50
I liked thin and then unliked it mercuryblues Mar 2023 #54
Cue the shrieking, wailing and gnashing of teeth Warpy Mar 2023 #55
AP Vid Your Darn Teuton Mar 2023 #58
+1 area51 Mar 2023 #195
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2023 #233
What more do you want Garland to do? ExWhoDoesntCare Mar 2023 #228
Sorry MAGAts! MontanaMama Mar 2023 #59
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2023 #60
That's one. Keep them coming. NewHendoLib Mar 2023 #63
I hope this is not a false alarm. niyad Mar 2023 #64
Thank you for your paience, AG Bragg! You are now officially an American hero! Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #66
One down ... Jarqui Mar 2023 #67
New York, you did it!!!!! lanlady Mar 2023 #68
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YES! rambler_american Mar 2023 #71
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I wonder what Hillary is up to right now. lamp_shade Mar 2023 #72
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This is the one I could care less about Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2023 #73
Your post made me smile. gab13by13 Mar 2023 #95
Well Edwards wasn't a mob boss either BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #135
Ok, so..in plain language, is orange boy indicted or is he not indicted?! Artcatt Mar 2023 #74
According to orange boy, he's "indicated." SunSeeker Mar 2023 #202
Indicated! 🤣 ShazzieB Apr 2023 #234
Merry Fitzmas! Sedona Mar 2023 #75
What'd I miss? catrose Mar 2023 #76
OR BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #158
Cool Catherine Vincent Mar 2023 #77
Happy to know that Trump's mug shot will follow him the rest of his days. ancianita Mar 2023 #78
O Happy Day! sarge43 Mar 2023 #79
To quote his idiot son Dopers_Greed Mar 2023 #80
And Traildogbob Mar 2023 #97
Great, I just bought some vodka... BigmanPigman Mar 2023 #81
This is history. musicblind Mar 2023 #83
Consequences Alice Kramden Mar 2023 #84
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May this be the first of many AdamGG Mar 2023 #88
Looks like felony charges orangecrush Mar 2023 #214
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SURPRISE! Mahalo, BRDS , GJ, Cha Mar 2023 #90
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Wow. Was not expecting anything close to that anytime so soon (to me). Torchlight Mar 2023 #96
I just had two Traildogbob Mar 2023 #110
And so it begins... Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #100
You know Trump won't go quietly Zorro Mar 2023 #101
He is innocent until proven BROKE! Emile Mar 2023 #107
Imagine, the most nortorious Con Man, criminal, sexual predator taken down by a porn star onetexan Mar 2023 #102
Doing my happy dance... Historic NY Mar 2023 #104
Best news all year! TeamProg Mar 2023 #105
Mark Russell just missed the orange clown indictment Denvermosaic Mar 2023 #108
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All hail Stormy Daniels! Novara Mar 2023 #113
I want to shake her hand! ChazInAz Mar 2023 #193
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Can we trade Trump for Evan Gershkovich? Russia would be getting their top agent back. LiberalArkie Mar 2023 #119
+1 n/t area51 Mar 2023 #196
Best news in a long time Ponietz Mar 2023 #120
They must be confident they can convict him on a Class A felony. Kablooie Mar 2023 #121
Hallelujah!!! RocRizzo55 Mar 2023 #123
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"Pound the table!!" AverageOldGuy Mar 2023 #130
Well this is delightful! Orrex Mar 2023 #132
Any statement from the Bassinet of the 45th President of the United States of America yet? LW1977 Mar 2023 #134
YAY!!! orleans Mar 2023 #136
Might not be a bad idea to create a "Spring Break" 3825-87867 Mar 2023 #137
WOOOOO HOOOOO!!!!! OH, HAPPY DAY!!!!! LaMouffette Mar 2023 #139
Wonder who gets to do the 3825-87867 Mar 2023 #140
YES! Convict the motherfucker! Six117 Mar 2023 #142
My girlfriend of almost ten years said she has never seen me smile so big generalbetrayus Mar 2023 #143
Do they serve hamberders at Rikers Island? maddogesq Mar 2023 #144
Um Ok. Ollie Garkie Mar 2023 #146
Tonight, there are tears in MAGAtville. The MAGAts will not NCjack Mar 2023 #147
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Exactly BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #182
Are they going to ignore this historic event when they teach history from now on? Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #185
I'm trying to remember if we had talked about Watergate in school BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #190
I've thought about my 9th grade Social Teacher a lot lately Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #191
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My parents did an impressive thing, gave me a small TV for my 21st birthday Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #201
LOL BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #203
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And ANOTHER HAPPY BIRTHDAY BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #204
OMG Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #162
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I read that in New York, Novara Mar 2023 #179
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Woohoo LudwigPastorius Mar 2023 #178
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welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2023 #235
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swag

(26,487 posts)
1. A few details -
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 05:33 PM
Mar 2023

'A Manhattan grand jury voted to indict Donald J. Trump on Thursday for his role in paying hush money to a porn star, according to four people with knowledge of the matter, a historic development that will shake up the 2024 presidential race and forever mark him as the nation’s first former president to face criminal charges.

The felony indictment, filed under seal by the Manhattan district attorney’s office, will likely be announced in the coming days. By then, prosecutors working for the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, will have asked Mr. Trump to surrender and to face arraignment on charges that remain unknown for now."

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
98. Under seal...arrest in days..is ok...let the screechers screech their boring screeching.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:20 PM
Mar 2023

There won’t be any uprising beyond Twitter hashtags.

thatcrowwoman

(1,229 posts)
180. Happy birthday, Andy!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:10 PM
Mar 2023

What a momentous day to begin your next circle around the sun.🌞🙌🏽
Many happy returns of the day.
We’ll be talking about March 30, 2023 for the rest of our days.
🕊thatcrowwoman

fierywoman

(7,685 posts)
62. Happy Birthday to all my fellow Aries people !!! Many happy returns during which
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:04 PM
Mar 2023

we all will see the denoument of tfg.

virgdem

(2,126 posts)
92. Thank you. This is a splendid post birthday present for me
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:18 PM
Mar 2023

My birthday was last Sunday (26th). Finally, some accountability!

thatcrowwoman

(1,229 posts)
170. Yes, Aries people.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:52 PM
Mar 2023

We’ll talk about this 2023 birthday for the rest of our days.
The dam has cracked and that’s a welcome relief.

There is a crack in everything. That’s how the light gets in. ~Leonard Cohen


🕊thatcrowwoman

unweird

(2,539 posts)
109. Another me too! Happy Indictment Birth Day to us all!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:25 PM
Mar 2023

We share a birthday with Van Gogh so we oughta be able to include him in the label but till then…
Happy Indictment Birthday!

thatcrowwoman

(1,229 posts)
131. Mazel tov, Bo Zarts!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:42 PM
Mar 2023

What a historic way to begin a new circle around the sun!
Wishing you many happy returns of the day!
🕊thatcrowwoman

thatcrowwoman

(1,229 posts)
184. Happy birthday, angrychair.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:18 PM
Mar 2023

May your next circle around the sun be most excellent 🌞
and may you have many happy returns of the day.
🕊thatcrowwoman

electric_blue68

(14,906 posts)
165. Happy B-Day! 🎂 ...
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:41 PM
Mar 2023

Mine was 10 days ago 3-21. So it's in my B-D Month, and 10 days into my 70th Birthday. A fabulous gift!
🎁😄😂 🍷

Here's to you. 🍻

calimary

(81,308 posts)
223. Happy Birthday!
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 07:08 AM
Mar 2023

It’ll be hard to top this birthday present - unless it’s a trump conviction a year or two from now…

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
6. What happens if Trump wins the election though? Would that essentially kill the case until
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 05:35 PM
Mar 2023

he is out of office?

103. gimme a BREAK cstanley......
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:22 PM
Mar 2023

can we just enjoy this for one night before all the speculation about that POS possibly getting re-elected? Thanks

MayReasonRule

(1,461 posts)
7. Get 'Em Y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 05:37 PM
Mar 2023


A conviction is not a sure thing: An attempt to combine a charge relating to the false records with an election violation relating to the payment to Ms. Daniels would be based on a legal theory that has yet to be evaluated by judges, raising the possibility that a court could throw out or limit the charges.

Lawyers for Mr. Trump, who is running for president a third time, have said he will surrender to face the charges and fly from his Florida estate to New York for the arraignment.


After he is arraigned, he is almost certain to be released on his own recognizance because the indictment will likely contain only nonviolent felony charges; under New York law, prosecutors cannot request bail in such cases.


He will be fingerprinted. He will be photographed. He may even be handcuffed.


And the former president of the United States of America will be read the standard Miranda warning: He will be told that he has the right to remain silent and the right to an attorney.


In the unlikely event that the former president refuses to surrender, he would put Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, his leading but undeclared rival for the Republican nomination, in an awkward political position. Under law, Mr. DeSantis’s role would be essentially ministerial and he would have few legal options other than approving an extradition request from New York.


Still, if New York prosecutors sought Mr. Trump’s extradition, Mr. DeSantis would face an unenviable dilemma. He would be compelled to choose between authorizing an arrest warrant for Mr. Trump and inflaming his base, or attempting in some way to aid his Republican rival, and possibly face legal action as a result.


New York law extends its statute of limitations to cover periods when a defendant was continuously out of state — Mr. Trump has spent much of his time since 2016 in Washington and Florida — and former Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York extended the state’s statute of limitations by more than a year during the pandemic.


And there are a few additional advantages for the district attorney: His case will play out in state court, with a state judge — possibly Juan M. Merchan, the even-keeled jurist who oversaw the conviction of Mr. Trump’s family business — and a jury in deep blue Manhattan.


NJCher

(35,685 posts)
13. friend just showed it to me on his iphone
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 05:41 PM
Mar 2023

It was a WSJ notification.

The funny thing is that this is the friend who, everytime I see him, asks me "did they get trump yet?"

I like it that he was the one who told me he'd been indicted.

YAY!!!

Botany

(70,516 posts)
18. Gonna fix me a Stormy Daniels
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 05:43 PM
Mar 2023


Tall Glass w/ Ice

1.5 oz dark rum
1.5 oz meyers rum
4 oz O.J.
4 oz Ginger Beer


irisblue

(32,980 posts)
65. WaPo
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:05 PM
Mar 2023
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ cover story


Former president Donald Trump has been indicted by a Manhattan grand jury, people familiar with the matter said, becoming the first person in U.S. history to serve as commander in chief and then be charged with a crime.

Here is what we know so far about the next steps in the criminal proceedings


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/30/donald-trump-indictment-what-it-means/

thatcrowwoman

(1,229 posts)
206. The "twice impeached, disgraced, ex-president"
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:36 PM
Mar 2023

finally gets the world wide attention he craves. How do you reckon he likes it now?
Tick tock, MAGA-45. Tuesday’s coming. Tick. Tock.

May he and his entire greedy grifting scofflaw gang get all that they deserve.
⚖️
🕊thatcrowwoman

They_Live

(3,233 posts)
52. Actually "O Frabjous Day"
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:00 PM
Mar 2023

but I knew what you meant.



"Jabberwocky"

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

from Through the Looking-Glass, and
What Alice Found There (1871)

agingdem

(7,850 posts)
141. shout out to Trump for being the king of the Firsts..
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:54 PM
Mar 2023

the first former president to be impeached twice..and the first former president to be indicted...good going, asshole..

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
145. Yeah, and after such a scummy life....
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:11 PM
Mar 2023

he STILL gets to have another 'FIRST!'

We ALL remember our 'FIRST!' It's our duty to help him celebrate his newest one!!!!!

agingdem

(7,850 posts)
154. and here's to the possibility of a slue of Firsts..
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:24 PM
Mar 2023

the first president to be indicted for treason...the first president to be indicted for election interference...the first president to be indicted for inciting an insurrection..the first president to be indicted for obstruction of justice...the first president to be indicted for theft of government property...

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
161. As he always claims to be......
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:36 PM
Mar 2023

the 'smartest' - the 'bestest' - and the FIRSTIST!!!!!

WHAT A WINNER!!!!!!!

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
50. Yippee, all over the news here. Thank you NY Grand Jury.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 05:59 PM
Mar 2023

We've been waiting so long, I hope this is just the beginning.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
55. Cue the shrieking, wailing and gnashing of teeth
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:01 PM
Mar 2023

but this is small stuff. His lawyers can enter his plea. A smart man would get those lawyers to bargain down so he could pay the fine and that's it. A smart man would laugh it off.

He's not a smart man.

 

Your Darn Teuton

(13 posts)
58. AP Vid
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:02 PM
Mar 2023


Hopefully this gives an opening for Fulton County to indict, and maybe prompts Merrick the Mouse to grow a pair!

Response to area51 (Reply #195)

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
67. One down ...
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:07 PM
Mar 2023

I hope they run the table:
Other NY State financial crimes
IRS crimes
GA election interference
MI election interference
Mar-a-lago classified docs
Jan 6th insurrection so he can never hold public office again
AG James $250 mil civil suit wipes him out financially and shutters his companies.
Ms Carroll's rape and defamation suits
Capitol Police + other civil suits for Jan 6th

And that they get the folks who helped him do the above.

We didn't do it with Nixon.
We need to do it here - to make sure anyone going in that Oval Office knows they're not above the law.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
68. New York, you did it!!!!!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:07 PM
Mar 2023

Congrats on being the first jurisdiction in history to indict a former president - a distinction he richly deserves.

I'm giddy with excitement, may this mark the beginning of the end of this evil man.

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
69. F**K YEA!!!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:07 PM
Mar 2023

How many months & counting?

I don't care, I just want justice to be done & I want it to be done RIGHT, however long that takes. Not on some arbitrary schedule that keyboard critics who have never prosecuted a case like this think it should conform to.

FREAK YEAAA!!!

electric_blue68

(14,906 posts)
174. Baaaahahahaaaaaaaaaa! ....
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:03 PM
Mar 2023

Or as a meme someone posted either here or on FB some months vack.

Bill Clinton is with Hillary. He's pointing semi forward to his right smiling. Hillary is laughing.
He "says"
"Look Hillary, Republicans in disarray!". 😄

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,026 posts)
73. This is the one I could care less about
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:10 PM
Mar 2023

Remember John Edwards was acquitted in a similar case.

I want to see Trump indicted for his actions on Jan. 6, 2021.

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
135. Well Edwards wasn't a mob boss either
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:45 PM
Mar 2023


( "catch and kill" is actually not illegal - and especially if there is a non-disclosure agreement involved but what is illegal is misrepresenting the money being used for it as "election-related" on your business records and reimbursing your lawyer for paying it by calling it a "retainer" for legal work)

ancianita

(36,067 posts)
78. Happy to know that Trump's mug shot will follow him the rest of his days.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:12 PM
Mar 2023
Thanks for this historical first for Rule of Law news.

"Death and destruction" ain't happenin' in New York.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
83. This is history.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:13 PM
Mar 2023

Remember where you were when you first heard this news. Remember what you were doing. Your grandkids will want to know.

AdamGG

(1,292 posts)
88. May this be the first of many
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:15 PM
Mar 2023

indictments. Stormy Daniels is a pretty minor infraction compared to TFG's other crimes. If this is the only indictment that ever comes, it won't do enough damage. But, if Jan 6th indictments, Georgia election tampering indictments follow on the heels of this this indictment will be part of the storm of long overdue justice.

Oak2004

(2,140 posts)
93. I've had sparkling grape juice in the fridge waiting for this moment
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:18 PM
Mar 2023

and a specially reserved bag of microwave popcorn 🍿🍾🎉

Oh what a beautiful day!

Traildogbob

(8,748 posts)
110. I just had two
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:25 PM
Mar 2023

10 percent local micro brews after mowing and came in to see Ari. I’m just sad I really do not need another drink to celebrate. Just gonna ride this buzz into the night.
Donny just “truth socialed” asking for prayers. You got it fat boy!!! Thoughts and Prayers. And fuck you, you treasonous bag of shit.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
101. You know Trump won't go quietly
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:21 PM
Mar 2023

Wouldn't surprise me if Trump refuses to show up in New York voluntarily and dares DeSantis to permit his extradition.

onetexan

(13,042 posts)
102. Imagine, the most nortorious Con Man, criminal, sexual predator taken down by a porn star
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:22 PM
Mar 2023

Oh the irony...go figure 😁😎👏🇺🇸

llmart

(15,540 posts)
117. Oh hell yeah!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:28 PM
Mar 2023

I just came in from doing some yardwork and checked DU and so glad I did!!

You just know he's throwing the ketchup right now.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
118. Just heard that orange is the new orange. Knock-knock! Who's there? Orange, orange who -
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:31 PM
Mar 2023

orange ya glad tfg's scheduled to be criminally indicted? F-U-U-U-U-U-C-K Y-E-A-H !

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
121. They must be confident they can convict him on a Class A felony.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:33 PM
Mar 2023

I think all the lesser charges have passed the statute of limitations.

Traildogbob

(8,748 posts)
125. Gonna be
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:36 PM
Mar 2023

The Goodest Friday in the history of the holiday. This will make Jesus rise in joy.
The day will forever be a holiday. 4 day weekend. Come on Joe, declare it so!!
Damn, I jumped the gun. I am a week ahead. Well hell, make it Week long holiday leading up to Easter.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
129. Just so you know...
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:40 PM
Mar 2023

New York is one of many states that suspends its statute of limitations when the defendant is out of state, with limitation the suspension can’t last longer than five years. So…him getting off by running out the clock in DC, Jersey and Florida doesn’t apply here.

AverageOldGuy

(1,530 posts)
130. "Pound the table!!"
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:40 PM
Mar 2023

Trump's attorneys released a factual, one-sentence statement in response to the indictment.

Trump did what we expected -- he went apeshit on social media.

Former US Attorney Joyce Vance, speaking on MSNBC, said:

"Every lawyer knows what to do when your client is charged: If the law is on your side, pound on the law. If the evidence is on your side, pound on the evidence. If neither the law nor the evidence is on your side, POUND ON THE TABLE!!!"

3825-87867

(851 posts)
137. Might not be a bad idea to create a "Spring Break"
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 06:49 PM
Mar 2023

for k-12 schools across the country. Just a hopeful thought there's no trouble by the idiots!

generalbetrayus

(507 posts)
143. My girlfriend of almost ten years said she has never seen me smile so big
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:01 PM
Mar 2023

as when I ran downstairs to tell her the news she had already learned watching MSNBC!

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
147. Tonight, there are tears in MAGAtville. The MAGAts will not
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:15 PM
Mar 2023

report for work tomorrow, and all of the little MAGAts will not go to school.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
151. Going to be on the lookout for Holy Week comparisons.
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:21 PM
Mar 2023

The rabid right-wing Christianists will likely make Palm Sunday - in three days - about him and not Him.

bluestarone

(16,972 posts)
152. So, now he's Impeached and indicted!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:23 PM
Mar 2023

HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN, FILL UP GLASS WITH BEER AGAIN!!!

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
182. Exactly
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:16 PM
Mar 2023

And considering how many books have already been written, imagine the explosion of new books now.

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
185. Are they going to ignore this historic event when they teach history from now on?
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:18 PM
Mar 2023

Since it really is unprecedented, that would be next to impossible.

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
190. I'm trying to remember if we had talked about Watergate in school
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:29 PM
Mar 2023

as it was happening (although most of the hearings were over the summer but they started before school let out for summer). It is so much easier for schools to cover "current events" now thanks to the internet streaming of the news. I remember the "Weekly Reader" did at least touch on the 1972 election that I recall but don't remember if my classes in later years got those news pamphlets by the time of the Watergate hearings.

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
191. I've thought about my 9th grade Social Teacher a lot lately
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:38 PM
Mar 2023

He talked a lot about Civil Rights, how George Wallace managed to remain in power and when the name Viola Liuzzo brought up here, thanks to him, I knew exactly who she was. Though I can't say I remember learning about Watergate in school, think I was home for summer vacation, too, though I do remember that last helicopter wave. And I remember the Weekly Reader, too, but by that point I was away at school, I went to boarding school starting junior high school year and that was pretty much a news blackout. We didn't have cell phones in those days, or even access to TV.

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
200. Well even if you had access to TV
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:59 PM
Mar 2023

it wasn't 24/7 and very little cable (let alone any news channels on cable). I remember my cousins had cable back in the early '70s (they lived in NH with terrible reception for Boston stations so were wired with cable) and that was the first time I saw an all-cartoon channel. But news wise, it was ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS (plus any local indie stations).

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
201. My parents did an impressive thing, gave me a small TV for my 21st birthday
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:05 PM
Mar 2023

So I had access to TV for my last year in college. Nobody else that I knew did. But you're right, there wasn't "breaking news" in those days. I could catch up on General Hospital and watched The Untouchables in syndication - and the news I watched was from the local Utica, NY station. The local news anchor was a very sharp woman, Donna Hanover (better known now as Rudy Giuliani's ex-wife!).

BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
203. LOL
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:16 PM
Mar 2023

I remember I had a 13" portable black and white TV and was happy!

My fave show '73 - '74 -



Was a Bill Bixby fan and always wanted a white Corvette until I found out how much they were. My uncle still teases me about that.

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
205. That's pretty much what mine was, but I was thrilled with it!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:31 PM
Mar 2023

Nobody else had a TV - and the only one I knew who had anything to do with computers (there was apparently one in the college library) was one of my suitemates who was a math major and she often had "computer duty" on weekends. As for cars, I was away at school (or summer camp) by the time I was old enough to drive. I did take drivers' ed my junior year in HS, but I had no opportunity to practice so I had to take it again in my 20s - and the teacher was my 9th grade Social Studies teacher, so he knew me!

And I already mentioned my favorite show - they showed it in syndication weeknights on the local station - and my only crush was the star. And I once won a local TV news contest since I knew the actor who played Frank Nitti.




BumRushDaShow

(129,085 posts)
211. LOL
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 10:02 PM
Mar 2023

I know that was syndicated here maybe caught it a few episodes. Ironically, HBO's "Boardwalk Empire" covered that period of history with the "prohees".

And congrats on that "win" back then. I remember entering contests like that (mainly radio ones where you had to be the "x" numbered caller answering the trivia).

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
212. Actually it was my brother who heard it, so he put me on the phone...
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 10:06 PM
Mar 2023

And, if you think about it, it's actually one take on "history," and I always did well with that.

 

clouds

(80 posts)
157. LET'S GO YANKEES!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:27 PM
Mar 2023

Yes, that’s a dark Brandon meme in the making.

Alvin throwing The con a knuckleball on opening day.

Thank you NY!

thatcrowwoman

(1,229 posts)
198. Happy birthday
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:57 PM
Mar 2023

And many happy returns of the day.
Your next circle around the sun is starting off in a delightfully unexpected way, eh? Enjoy!
L’chaim! To life! 🥂
🕊thatcrowwoman

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
162. OMG
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:39 PM
Mar 2023

I never thought I would see the day when TFG was actually indicated for one of his numerous crimes.

What American oligarch died to get that done?

hermetic

(8,310 posts)
171. Logged on today just to say:
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 07:53 PM
Mar 2023

WOO HOO! Suck it, Donnie, you miserable piece of shit. Ahh, I've waited a long time for that wee breath of air.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
175. How long will a trial take to begin and end?
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:04 PM
Mar 2023

Are we confident it can be concluded before he could take office again?

chowmama

(413 posts)
186. I was singing (quietly) at work
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:19 PM
Mar 2023

Happy Days Are Here Again. Threw out the dinner plans in favor of some good takeout. At the grocery store, I kept on singing it under my breath - got a very odd look from a guy in the freezer section. This news made my day. The ketchup's gonna hit the wall tonight!

And I keep remembering he brought it all on himself. As a tacky two-bit mobbed-up New York real estate guy with a tv show and enough money for a lot of lawyers, he was just not worth going after. Then he had to run for President because Obama committed the crime of Mocking While Black. He made himself worth going after.

And because he's too stupid to understand he can't get away with the same stuff anymore, he never even tried very hard to hide anything. He sucks at crime'ing, which is ironic given how much experience he's had. It's not like the evidence was hard to find. His chief defense is still "Yea, so? Whaddya think you're going to do about it? I can do anything I want, I can take anything I want. If I want it, it's mine. Because I say so."

And he's cheap. By now, nobody sane believes he's going to pay their legal fees, pardon them or do anything but trash them once their immediate usefulness is ended. Because of this, there are very few rats remaining on the ship already and he's going to lose the rest. The entire case is about his using money that he was given by people to do other things with. None of this account was his personal piggybank. It's fraud and, given the amount of money that's likely involved, it's felony level. It just happened to be Stormy Daniels; the case would be the same if he'd taken the same amount of money from the same source and bought Melania a ring. (As if!) If he'd just used his own goddamned money, this wouldn't even be a case. But he's cheap. Stupid and cheap.

There isn't a violin tiny enough and there's not enough popcorn and bubbly. But I'll make do.

Happy Days Are Here Again!

Aussie105

(5,401 posts)
187. "Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal charges."
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:21 PM
Mar 2023

This statement is incorrect. It should read:

"Mr Trump is a lifelong criminal who stumbled into the POTUS job with some help from friends and now faces criminal charges."

I think that gets the emphasis in the right place.

How about just saying . . .

"Mr. Trump will be facing criminal charges."?

Any dignity and validity bestowed on Trump with the title of 'former president' faded long ago, if it ever existed at all.

Hopefully more to come, hopefully blocking any chances he has of making a comeback.




Ahpook

(2,750 posts)
197. Something Finally
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:50 PM
Mar 2023

Does he get to wear the dead squirrel on his head and spray that orange shit on his body for his arrival?

TeamProg

(6,139 posts)
199. "When you DON'T have a defense, you claim the system is rigged"
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 08:57 PM
Mar 2023

"When you have the FACTS, you pound the facts."

"When you have the LAW on your side, you pound the law."

"When you DON'T have a defense, you claim the system is rigged"

happybird

(4,608 posts)
207. Holy Crap! I just got home from work and saw this!!!!
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:45 PM
Mar 2023

Just screenshotted this beauty for days when I am feeling blue.


tornado34jh

(922 posts)
210. Good, I am glad to see it
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 09:51 PM
Mar 2023

While it is a great step, I don't think it is enough. Granted, it is for something different, but I don't understand why he hasn't been charged with sedition, treason, incitement to terrorism and other changes. He is still a dangerous man and he is inciting his base to commit terrorism. Even if he is in prison, he could still be dangerous. Even in prison gang leaders can still do business, even if by indirect means. Remember, like a cult leader, there are a lot of people who will do anything to support him, even by violent means. We have to be ready for potentially right-wing terrorism. His followers consider him a political prisoner. Now we all know that isn't true, but these are not sane people.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
231. What's to understand
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 06:05 PM
Mar 2023

AFAIK, that matter would be covered by a federal grand jury, and they'll reach a conclusion on their schedule, no one else's.

We have no control over that grand jury, so getting all worked up about it would be like getting mad that we can't make the sun rise in the west. Some things, you just can't change. The only thing you can change is your perspective.

I think AA is a scam, but I do think the one thing they got right was the idea that we change what we can and accept what we can't. I call on it for stuff like this--things that i wish would happen, but that I have no power to control. Saves me a lot of aggravation to face reality that way, but YMMV.

tornado34jh

(922 posts)
232. Well, maybe I am just cynical about the fact that it took this long to do this
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 06:55 PM
Mar 2023

Look, I'm not saying the indictments are bad. They are a great first step. I am also aware that things do take time and that we have don't have control of it, but I guarantee you that if you or I did the same thing that Trump is accused of or should have been accused of, would it have taken that long? Not a chance. Even once he is actually in court, how likely is it that he will be a flight risk or get out on bond? My point is, the whole justice system is not equal in the slightest, it highly favors the rich, and I know it will not be changed anytime soon, because it has been corrupted.

I hope I am wrong on this, but assuming he does get convicted, I think it will go all the way to the US Supreme Court, and I have no trust that they will get it right. Again, I am just going based on what I have seen. If somehow the conviction isn't overturned on appeal, assuming the trial goes and then he is found guilty, I would be impressed. Remember, he is banking on this dragging on and by the time the election comes, it will be corrupted enough where it favors him and he will seek vengeance against his enemies. But again, until he is actually on trial and convicted, and put in jail, he is still a dangerous man, not to mention his most rabid followers.

AdamGG

(1,292 posts)
220. INDICTED ON OVER 30 COUNTS
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 02:37 AM
Mar 2023

because everyone knows that he's a disciplined, stealthy operator and doesn't leave a trail...

 

SuperCoder

(300 posts)
221. Sorry about that, DU fam...
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 06:32 AM
Mar 2023

I've been busy over the past half a day spreading all types of schadenfreude to the Trumpers I know (and those who are very very distant acquaintances online).

After four years of them rubbing our faces into that fat piece of shit winning the election, now WE get to rub his indictment into THEIR faces.

Payback's a bitch, ain't it?


Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
222. Here we go
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 06:46 AM
Mar 2023

The next days, weeks, months, years are going to be interesting.

Remember it took 6+ years for everything Nixon did to come to light.

hydrolastic

(488 posts)
225. I am thanking all the Millenials I know
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 09:52 AM
Mar 2023

And any of the non Trumpers also. They were pivotal in voting him out. If he had won we would be in deep do do now...

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
226. One down, a mllion to go!
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 11:56 AM
Mar 2023

It took far too long, but then we don't want half-baked cases put forth.

Sounds like each of these investigations is uncovering strong evidence toward other charges.

Let's hope he is charged for each & every crime he's commited. Oh wait, there's not enough time in the world for that many indictments.

EYESORE 9001

(25,941 posts)
230. Best thread ever!
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 01:10 PM
Mar 2023

This has been the tantric sex of legal proceedings. We’re approaching blessed relief.

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