Trump workers moved Mar-a-Lago boxes a day before Justice Dept. came for documents
Source: Washington Post
Two of Donald Trumps employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former presidents Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious and an indication of possible obstruction, according to people familiar with the matter.
Trump and his aides also allegedly carried out a dress rehearsal for moving sensitive papers even before his office received the May 2022 subpoena, according to the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive ongoing investigation.
Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and sometimes showed them to others, these people said.
Taken together, the new details of the classified-documents investigation suggest a greater breadth and specificity to the instances of possible obstruction found by the FBI and Justice Department than has been previously reported. It also broadens the timeline of possible obstruction episodes that investigators are examining a period stretching from events at Mar-a-Lago before the subpoena to the period after the FBI raid there on Aug. 8.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/25/trump-classified-documents-mar-a-lago/
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Drum
(9,156 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,467 posts)tinrobot
(10,895 posts)The next stop on this ride is espionage.
gab13by13
(21,323 posts)espionage is 10 years I believe. Now if he sold them or shared them it's treason in my book.
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)Did I read that correctly?
Botany
(70,501 posts).... that we have had 3 Americans who were convicted at that level and we executed 2 of them the Rosenbergs,
and the other is FBI Agent Robert Hansen who is doing 15 life terms back to back to back @ the U.S. Super Max
in Florence, CO.
They were moving the boxes of classified information the day before the FBI search? Who tipped off Trump?
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)moniss
(4,231 posts)that he was tipped by MAGA types working for the FBI/DOJ.
Ray Bruns
(4,093 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,093 posts)Faux pas
(14,672 posts)here is gobsmacked
Novara
(5,841 posts)I was being facetious
ProfessorPlum
(11,256 posts)what the fuck
Mickju
(1,803 posts)He should be in custody now. Anyone else in a similar situation would be.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)Did he honestly believe that no one would talk? Or that ordinary people would commit perjury for him? He is delusional.......also very guilty.
C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)Every crevice of every property of every trump and ally ought to be scoured for stolen secrets
SledDriver
(2,059 posts)gab13by13
(21,323 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)Cause it seems there are witnesses and physical evidence. Broken subpoenas. False assertions. Do we need to see Donald Trump with secret dossiers stuffed out of his pockets walking into the Saudi embassy?
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)nowforever
(302 posts)Get the gallows ready...heavyweight coming in.
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)Find the marble under the walnut shells.
Let's make a deal - door #1, door #2, or door #3?
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)No matter how bad this looks. And it looks very bad.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,181 posts)Documents that he almost certainly shouldn't have had in his personal possession in the first place.
maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)There's little real harm done by his hoarding/theft/imaginary declassification; no evidence (yet) that any of it went anywhere or that any intelligence was compromised. He took it because he's possessive, and he was hurt and angry. He is a small man with a small mind; his motives are banal.
But the DOJ does not want to put a former POTUS in jail. Even if it's richly deserved. Garland is far too Institutionalist; he'll do everything he can to avoid it.
New York, or Fulton County? TBD.
Novara
(5,841 posts)... what Jack Teixeira did by posting shit on Reddit. And he's sitting in prison right now.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)I would love to see the rest of the family prosecuted too since they are accessories. IMO
Vinca
(50,269 posts)Seinan Sensei
(362 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)Let a professional traitor show you how to spill secrets and brag about it.
FirstLight
(13,360 posts)He needs to be incarcerated YESTERDAY!
moonscape
(4,673 posts)quaint
(2,563 posts)bahboo
(16,337 posts)motherfucker....
republianmushroom
(13,590 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,279 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,956 posts)crickets
(25,969 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)moniss
(4,231 posts)like "Dig Her Up!, Dig Her Up!, Dig Her Up!"?
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)I never had anything against Ivana. The man she married turned out to be a world-class asshole, but how is that her fault? As I understand it, she married a couple-three guys after Chump and they all turned out to be assholes. But she never changed her name after the first asshole, I guess for the sake of her (pathetic) children.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)somebody going to federal prison
Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,281 posts)Who doesn't know removing evidence in advance of evidence gathering operation from any law enforcement agency is
standard MO when criminals are informed in advance?
Oh wait. never mind.
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RussBLib
(9,006 posts)Fortunately there is someone "on the inside" at Mara Lardo that is spilling some of the beans. Looks like Jack Smith is closing in on the Orange One. Even held a "dress rehearsal" to practice hiding boxes from the DOJ? Wow, that's really thumbing your nose at justice.
Red Pest
(288 posts)To quote from the Washington Post:
Steven Cheung, a Trump spokesman, wrote in a statement. Just like all the other fake hoaxes thrown at President Trump, this corrupt effort will also fail.
So, if they are fake hoaxes, that would indicate what the government is stating the truth.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)They've got the goods on the Chump workers. Now the question is, will they shut up and go to jail like good little employees? Or will they turn on their boss and spill the beans? I have no doubt he's waving the signed NDAs in their faces, because that's his standard M.O.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)that is what DOJ has to determine - how many and exactly who participated in this and then decide what to charge them with. This would be a judgement call requiring they can show that these participants knowingly attempted to obstruct or were innocently caught up in the scheme as workers who "did as they were told" without any conception of doing so being "illegal". This is all ancillary to 45's involvement, but it adds to what type of testimony is needed and types of documentation that might have to be gathered, to make those determinations.
(and I keep forgetting that both the NYT and WaPo offer 10 "free" gift links per month but I try to find non-paywalled stuff to make it easier in any case )