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muriel_volestrangler

(101,403 posts)
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 04:10 AM Jun 2023

Russia claims to have fought off 'major Ukrainian offensive' in Donetsk

Source: The Guardian

Russia has claimed to have repelled a “major offensive” in the Donetsk region and to have killed hundreds of Ukrainian troops, but the claims could not be independently verified.

Ukrainian officials made no comment, and have emphasised the need for secrecy about operations in recent days as anticipation grows for a major counteroffensive. Ukrainian military officers have predicted that any such counteroffensive would be preceded and accompanied by feints and diversionary attacks to “shape the battlefield” and cause as much confusion as possible in Russian ranks.
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The ministry claimed 250 Ukrainian troops had been killed, and 16 tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles and 21 armoured personnel carriers destroyed.

Videos of combat posted online showed what were purported to be Ukrainian armoured cars blowing up in fields near Velyka Novosilka, 60 miles west of Donetsk city, but it was impossible to tell from the videos when they were taken and what the outcome of the battle was.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/russia-claims-to-have-fought-off-major-ukrainian-offensive-in-donetsk



Also: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65806152
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Russia claims to have fought off 'major Ukrainian offensive' in Donetsk (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2023 OP
Russia claims a lot of things. Tomconroy Jun 2023 #1
Do they ever! GPV Jun 2023 #2
Ukraine didn't deny it. RandySF Jun 2023 #3
I call bullshit. AZ8theist Jun 2023 #4
Russia's claims over the past year-and-a-half of this three-day operation Grokenstein Jun 2023 #5
And 6x the number of HIMARS systems actually sent! oldsoftie Jun 2023 #7
Hopefully this is NOT accurate. Neither side is totally open about stuff like this oldsoftie Jun 2023 #6
Usually in releases like this, it's true but slightly exaggerated. Oneironaut Jun 2023 #8
RuZZian lies. roamer65 Jun 2023 #9
I hope this claim is inaccurate and/or greatly exaggerated. liberalla Jun 2023 #10
Riiiiight.... sakabatou Jun 2023 #11

AZ8theist

(5,524 posts)
4. I call bullshit.
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 05:36 AM
Jun 2023

More accurate reporting showed Ukraine advanced up to 3 Km into Russian held territory near Velyka Novosilka. They used lightly armored company sized assault formations and subsequently retreated. It was reported they lost only 1 tank and 9 other vehicles. No reports on casualties.
This DOES NOT appear to be a major counter-offensive; more like a probing attack. Meanwhile, in the north, Russia can not even secure it's own borders in the Belgorad region. More and more Russian troops are being shifted from the south to fend off the Russian insurgents attacking there. As part of the defense of this area, Russia has taken to bombing it's own villages. Video has surfaced of wide-spread looting in the town Shebekino as the population leaves in droves and border security is nowhere to be found.

Russia's got a mess on it's hands.

Grokenstein

(5,729 posts)
5. Russia's claims over the past year-and-a-half of this three-day operation
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 06:24 AM
Jun 2023

probably add up to three times the entire population of Ukraine.

oldsoftie

(12,651 posts)
6. Hopefully this is NOT accurate. Neither side is totally open about stuff like this
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 08:53 AM
Jun 2023

Understandably.
But we know Russia LIES a helluva lot MORE

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