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Omaha Steve

(99,541 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:38 AM Dec 2023

Group of swing state Muslims vows to ditch Biden in 2024 over his war stance

Source: AP

By CLAIRE SAVAGE
Updated 9:59 PM CST, December 2, 2023

CHICAGO (AP) — Muslim community leaders from several swing states pledged to withdraw support for U.S. President Joe Biden on Saturday at a conference in suburban Detroit, citing his refusal to call for a ceasefire in Gaza.

Democrats in Michigan have warned the White House that Biden’s handling of the Israel-Hamas war could cost him enough support within the Arab American community to sway the outcome of the 2024 presidential election.

Leaders from Michigan, Minnesota, Arizona, Wisconsin, Florida, Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania gathered behind a lectern that read “Abandon Biden, ceasefire now” in Dearborn, Michigan, the city with the largest concentration of Arab Americans in the United States.

The Health Ministry in Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday updated the death toll in the Israel-Hamas war to 15,200 Palestinians, roughly two-thirds of them women and minors. Some 1,200 Israelis have been killed, most during the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by Hamas that triggered the war.



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/muslim-swing-state-biden-vote-fb3b93f465ed6fd34a901c269a084a90

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Group of swing state Muslims vows to ditch Biden in 2024 over his war stance (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2023 OP
I can't help but wonder if this is an astroturf movement Fiendish Thingy Dec 2023 #1
Absolutely Ponietz Dec 2023 #4
Exactly. trump has already promised round-ups. Biden/Blinken are at least trying to end the war. brush Dec 2023 #51
I'm guessing Russian and or GOP money behind this IbogaProject Dec 2023 #52
If they don't like Biden, wait to the see what Trump has in store for them RAB910 Dec 2023 #2
Exactly. milestogo Dec 2023 #15
What are all these non-Biden options that are available? quaint Dec 2023 #3
I don't. They're childish. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #54
Jill Stein and others will be courting them Kennah Dec 2023 #63
Some times you feel like a nut; some times you don't - SMH Backseat Driver Dec 2023 #5
Right now.......................... Lovie777 Dec 2023 #6
Biden hasn't called for a ceasefire? ColinC Dec 2023 #7
Voting for anyone else or not voting elects Trump. Have they examined what Trump's plans are for them? CousinIT Dec 2023 #8
Apparently not! Rebl2 Dec 2023 #38
The stupid is burning us all. onecaliberal Dec 2023 #9
They're accelerationists. The possibility of a Trump win is baked into their calculus. lapucelle Dec 2023 #10
Time to recalibrate... reACTIONary Dec 2023 #16
Funny how Republicans don't need to consider whether they want Muslim votes or not William Seger Dec 2023 #22
Wonder if their calculus includes the probability of TeamTrump canceling future elections? Midnight Writer Dec 2023 #27
Don't want them don't need them, people who threaten fascism don't deserve the Democrats attention MistakenLamb Dec 2023 #49
Bold of them to assume EllieBC Dec 2023 #62
Fuck Around and Find Out! mymomwasright Dec 2023 #11
They probably like Trumps plan Historic NY Dec 2023 #12
I think they are badly mistaken if they think tRump will do better for them Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #13
This was reported back in October. It really isn't LBN JohnSJ Dec 2023 #14
If this is based on octobers reporting.. ColinC Dec 2023 #17
The conference noted in the article was held yesterday. TwilightZone Dec 2023 #18
This is a variation on the same theme that has been going on since October. JohnSJ Dec 2023 #19
They want to be ruled by Christian nationalists. dalton99a Dec 2023 #20
While Biden was an important part of the humanitarian cease fire, the administration also agreed to send Chainfire Dec 2023 #21
Why would some Muslims be drawn to a person who is anti gay, comradebillyboy Dec 2023 #23
All you have to do is look at Hamtramck, MI EllieBC Dec 2023 #24
You're right. sop Dec 2023 #37
A truly self-destructive urge. marble falls Dec 2023 #25
o they'd rather have Trump as president. Good luck with that. He tried to ban Muslim immigration. Martin68 Dec 2023 #26
They will be stunned at the alternative. Must not be paying attention. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2023 #28
Most Muslims are conservative, but Trump is going to ruin their lives IronLionZion Dec 2023 #29
Progressives/Democrats have always stood up for Muslims, for decades now, in a bid Wingus Dingus Dec 2023 #30
They will be unhappy with the result Marthe48 Dec 2023 #31
Obviously they're following Susan Sarandon's lead... agingdem Dec 2023 #32
Their following Omar's lead as well... this is so wrong PortTack Dec 2023 #42
When some people call for a ceasefire they mean Israel should stop defending itself mathematic Dec 2023 #33
Do they have any idea what Trump has in mind for Muslims? Ritabert Dec 2023 #34
Just show them Trump's social media post promising to reinstate his Muslim ban. pecosbob Dec 2023 #35
Oh, so they prefer an outright Muslim ban. no_hypocrisy Dec 2023 #36
So By Not Voting Deep State Witch Dec 2023 #39
Somebody in the cultist camp is paying them!! PortTack Dec 2023 #40
Their group name might as well be "Jews for Hitler" CanonRay Dec 2023 #41
Practical, thinking people know that Biden is the only option. So, what are they? nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #43
Boy are they stupid. SouthernDem4ever Dec 2023 #44
It doesn't mean they would vote for trump Bayard Dec 2023 #45
Go for it. Do they not get that they could be MOMFUDSKI Dec 2023 #46
Empowering Trump only makes things worse, folks. Have some discipline, pls. jvill Dec 2023 #47
Good riddance to them MistakenLamb Dec 2023 #48
Dems pander to the RW MiamiCubano "exiles" with git-tough collective punishment on Cuba policy, then they vote GOP. Marcus IM Dec 2023 #53
Yes, because Donald Trump will be so much better for the Muslim community... dlk Dec 2023 #50
That's nice. They'll put Trump in office and he'll deport them whether they're Americans or not. Vinca Dec 2023 #55
Is anyone here judging actually Palestinian? BaronChocula Dec 2023 #56
American Jews don't suffer. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #60
Play devil's advocate for a bit ... Novara Dec 2023 #57
They think they'll get a better deal from TFG? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Warpy Dec 2023 #58
They'll have to learn to say President-For-Life Trump if they have their way n/t ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #59
This what stupid looks like Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2023 #61
Be careful what you wish for Mz Pip Dec 2023 #64
Then enjoy Trump from your concentration camp. hadEnuf Dec 2023 #65
Pray for deportation Kennah Dec 2023 #66
Idiocracy in real time. n/t aggiesal Dec 2023 #67
Never underestimate the ability of people to vote against their own best interests. jgmiller Dec 2023 #68
What is their position on Hamas? LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #69
Please proceed orangecrush Dec 2023 #70

Fiendish Thingy

(15,562 posts)
1. I can't help but wonder if this is an astroturf movement
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:46 AM
Dec 2023

Does Roger Stone have any Arab minions?

Ask these folks who they voted for in 2016 and 2020.

Does the “Abandon Biden” movement realize if they succeed, that they and their loved ones will likely end up in internment camps?

brush

(53,752 posts)
51. Exactly. trump has already promised round-ups. Biden/Blinken are at least trying to end the war.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 03:29 PM
Dec 2023

I feel for the Palestinians too but working against Biden is helping trump.

Not a good option. Get real, trump is all of our's worst nightmare.

IbogaProject

(2,800 posts)
52. I'm guessing Russian and or GOP money behind this
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 03:54 PM
Dec 2023

I've heard do nothing but folks who grift around the edge of protests usually with some lame cash grab scam vending something now saying "Genocide Joe", which I know they didn't create. So I'm thinking this is a second wave in this whole manufactured 'crisis'. I am aware this is an actual crisis over there, but I suspect foreign money trying to shift the narrative pushed Hamas by providing them with ample resources and now all the usual suspects are pushing anti Biden angles.

RAB910

(3,492 posts)
2. If they don't like Biden, wait to the see what Trump has in store for them
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:46 AM
Dec 2023

Trump is calling for his Muslim ban again

Of course, this article is from the Republican-loving mainstream media, so I don't think it's true. Just their effort to try and get their beloved Trump back in the White House

Lovie777

(12,218 posts)
6. Right now..........................
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:03 AM
Dec 2023

this is a "free" country and although I'm disappointed, it's their right.

ColinC

(8,283 posts)
7. Biden hasn't called for a ceasefire?
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:04 AM
Dec 2023

What was Anthony Blinken doing in Israel for the last week when he was calling for negotiating a ceasefire? Does that not count cause it was the SOS and not the president? Am I thoroughly mistaken that the President wasn’t part of the the reason why the last ceasefire happened?

CousinIT

(9,232 posts)
8. Voting for anyone else or not voting elects Trump. Have they examined what Trump's plans are for them?
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:09 AM
Dec 2023

Very unwise of them. And I have to wonder what Republican is behind this push.

lapucelle

(18,220 posts)
10. They're accelerationists. The possibility of a Trump win is baked into their calculus.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:12 AM
Dec 2023
We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not."

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/02/muslim-americans-swing-states-anti-biden-campaign

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
22. Funny how Republicans don't need to consider whether they want Muslim votes or not
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:33 AM
Dec 2023

If Biden doesn't call for a cease fire, then they'll vote for Muslim bans and concentration camps? I suppose there are a few people that stupid, but I'm having a hard time taking this article seriously.

MistakenLamb

(515 posts)
49. Don't want them don't need them, people who threaten fascism don't deserve the Democrats attention
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 02:46 PM
Dec 2023

I hope they never vote again

EllieBC

(2,993 posts)
62. Bold of them to assume
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 09:13 PM
Dec 2023

they’d ever have a chance to vote again if the large talking yam gets back into office.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,970 posts)
13. I think they are badly mistaken if they think tRump will do better for them
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:17 AM
Dec 2023

Shooting themselves in the foot. Hope it does not usher in the theocracy they fear or the crackdown tRump will gleefully engineer.

ColinC

(8,283 posts)
17. If this is based on octobers reporting..
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:25 AM
Dec 2023

The latest ceasefire and the efforts of the administration would likely not have factored into the story, right?

Chainfire

(17,499 posts)
21. While Biden was an important part of the humanitarian cease fire, the administration also agreed to send
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:33 AM
Dec 2023

blockbuster bombs to Israel, in the same timeframe. I can understand why they are upset, but they have to know that, in failing to support Biden, they are cutting of their noses to spite their faces. A Trump presidency would be a disaster for all American Muslims. (as well as any other minority)

Some folks have a misconception of just how much actual influence that the President of the US has dealing with Israel. I believe that if Biden could stop the war he would, and sooner rather than later.


comradebillyboy

(10,133 posts)
23. Why would some Muslims be drawn to a person who is anti gay,
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:44 AM
Dec 2023

anti-abortion, anti-choice, anti-feminist and anti democracy? Well maybe some of them just aren't sympathetic with the values of liberal democracy much less the values of the Democratic party.

EllieBC

(2,993 posts)
24. All you have to do is look at Hamtramck, MI
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:50 AM
Dec 2023
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned

Banned pride flags and then fired 2 city workers for violating the ban.

But somehow their snubbing of liberal values still gets them support from some people on our side because the only ones we’ve decided to worry about are Christian nationalists.

sop

(10,128 posts)
37. You're right.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:45 PM
Dec 2023

Many immigrants to this country who came here demanding greater economic, personal and religious freedoms paradoxically fail to appreciate the values of a liberal democracy, and the real meaning of the American Experiment.

Our complex and often uncomfortable system of pluralism has a price; if one demands certain individual rights, one must also afford others the same rights. Unfortunately, conservatives have historically exploited these conflicting reactionary impulses to their advantage.

.

IronLionZion

(45,390 posts)
29. Most Muslims are conservative, but Trump is going to ruin their lives
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:11 PM
Dec 2023

MAGAts are mostly united in hating Muslims.

Punishing Biden is not the most productive course of action. He doesn't have that much influence over Israeli policy but he's doing what he can with what he has. If Trump were president the Palestinian casualties would be way higher.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
30. Progressives/Democrats have always stood up for Muslims, for decades now, in a bid
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:11 PM
Dec 2023

to tamp down Islamophobia and make Muslim immigrants and refugees feel welcome and respected. This is the thanks we get. Enjoy your new "friends", assholes.

Marthe48

(16,921 posts)
31. They will be unhappy with the result
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:12 PM
Dec 2023

President Biden and his administration is working with other groups of people that hate each other, who want to see their enemies wiped off the face of the planet. Can anyone with an opinion about this heartbreaking destruction take religion out of the equation? See Israel as a nation? See Palestine as a nation? Because as long as religion is the dominant theme of the conflict, devout people will put their emotions in front of their pragmatism and the terrorism, defense and destruction of life and property will go on and on.

If Muslims in America think that withdrawing their support from President Biden will bring peace to the Middle East, their course of action will open the door to far worse dangers to all Muslims everywhere. If their are agnostic Arabs and Israelis, we need their presence in the negotiations and decisions. Religion has failed to solve the problems.

agingdem

(7,818 posts)
32. Obviously they're following Susan Sarandon's lead...
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:14 PM
Dec 2023

Last edited Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)

protesting Biden because he will not condemn the October 7 Hamas massacre/kidnapping of Israeli citizens....protesting Biden because Israel had the audacity to retaliate...punishing Biden because he is not the shadow prime minster of Israel and has only so much sway with the Israeli government...

the "Abandon Biden, Cease Fire" Muslims are American citizens and as American citizens, the fascistic alternative to Biden is a Muslim ban and concentration camps...well played, guys!

mathematic

(1,434 posts)
33. When some people call for a ceasefire they mean Israel should stop defending itself
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:20 PM
Dec 2023

Biden very clearly called for a ceasefire contingent on releasing hostages.

A ceasefire, which is an agreement between two sides in a conflict, was negotiated between Hamas and Israel.

The ceasefire that was supported by Biden, negotiated with the help of the Biden administration, and was implemented was BROKEN BY HAMAS.

So, clearly, when Muslim groups say they want "ceasefire now" they don't actually mean they want a ceasefire. They want Israel to roll over and die.

Ritabert

(665 posts)
34. Do they have any idea what Trump has in mind for Muslims?
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:21 PM
Dec 2023

Wholesale deportation of Muslims. Probable ban on visas from Muslim countries.

pecosbob

(7,534 posts)
35. Just show them Trump's social media post promising to reinstate his Muslim ban.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:24 PM
Dec 2023

That might change their tune...

Deep State Witch

(10,417 posts)
39. So By Not Voting
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 12:55 PM
Dec 2023

They run the risk of bringing back the guy who instituted a ban on any Muslims entering the US?

Sorry. I understand their frustration, but that's cutting off one's nose to spite their face.

Bayard

(22,026 posts)
45. It doesn't mean they would vote for trump
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 01:14 PM
Dec 2023

I think a lot of these anti-Biden folks--a lot of rethuglicans--are going to sit out the next election.

MistakenLamb

(515 posts)
48. Good riddance to them
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 02:44 PM
Dec 2023

Fuck chasing voters who threaten electing a fascist, go after people who actually vote and don't advocate for hate against the LGBT community and the annihilation of Israel. That's what the leaders of these groups advocate

Marcus IM

(2,182 posts)
53. Dems pander to the RW MiamiCubano "exiles" with git-tough collective punishment on Cuba policy, then they vote GOP.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 03:56 PM
Dec 2023

Back in the late 90's early 2000's, we had Lieberman democrats.

The Dem running against pRick Scott - Debbie Mucarsel-Powel - does exactly that. Spewing the same policy nonsense regarding Cuba as RWnut republicans.

And you know the old saying ... run using the same platform planks as republicans, and they will vote for the republican every time.






dlk

(11,528 posts)
50. Yes, because Donald Trump will be so much better for the Muslim community...
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 03:16 PM
Dec 2023

And make no mistake, not voting gives 2 votes to the person you don’t agree with.

BaronChocula

(1,532 posts)
56. Is anyone here judging actually Palestinian?
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 04:57 PM
Dec 2023

Are you actually going through the same exact pain American Palestinians are going through watching the destruction of the homes of innocent relatives in Gaza? Because if not, maybe you should back off and let them process their pain without your condescending suggestions that they have no idea what they're saying or doing. Some of the responses here are just as knee-jerk emotional as the pledge not to support Biden.

I DEFINITELY WANT TRUMP IN PRISON AND NOT THE OVAL, but I also can sympathize with feeling unheard in a time of extreme crisis. There is time for healing this rift and I hope it does happen. I also hope that these people change their position, but I can do that and remain sympathetic without insulting their intelligence.

Sorry to be so strident, but really. Let's let them process. Please. You've seen the pictures by now.

Novara

(5,834 posts)
57. Play devil's advocate for a bit ...
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 06:38 PM
Dec 2023

... What if they do get Biden to help broker a ceasefire and - heaven forbid - even work on a two-state solution?

And then they throw all their support behind Biden? Wouldn't this threat have been worth it?

The election is 11 months from now. It doesn't hurt much for them to have their little protest right now (although I think they're extremely shortsighted). If Biden changes tack and comes out of this a hero, then it will have been worth it. He'd have stopped the killing and accomplished something absolutely fucking huge.

Lots of things can be accomplished when people's backs are against the wall.

I don't support this protest but it will be interesting to watch its effect.

Warpy

(111,210 posts)
58. They think they'll get a better deal from TFG? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 06:49 PM
Dec 2023

First, they were mostly GOP before TFG, probably voted for him in 2016. It's a trap immigrants often fall into, the party that wears clothing made up of the US flag must be more American, which is what they aspire to be. I don't think they're that much of a voting bloc statewide, TBH, so let them suit themselves.

They'd just better take a long, hard look at what the GOP is really all about. They could find themselves deported just because they aren't Christian.

jgmiller

(391 posts)
68. Never underestimate the ability of people to vote against their own best interests.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:06 AM
Dec 2023

It doesn't just happen in our country, look at all the people that vote for Putin. Yes I know a significant portion of the vote is rigged but a huge chuck do actually like him. Look at Gaza, I understand why they voted for Hamas at first but then they continued to support them even though it was obvious Hamas wouldn't elevate their lives and would only do things like the attack that has now cost them dearly.

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