Investigators for 9/11 families examine video taken by man with ties to Saudi intelligence referencing a "plan"

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: CBS News

June 20, 2024 / 6:30 PM EDT


For more than two decades, the U.S. position has been that al Qaeda acted alone on September 11th, but a newly public video has raised questions about whether the Saudi government provided crucial assistance to the hijackers during the 9/11 terror attacks. Omar al-Bayoumi, whom the FBI says was an operative of the Saudi intelligence service with close ties to two of the 9/11 hijackers, can be heard on the video, which was unsealed in federal court this week and obtained by 60 Minutes.

The 1999 video was taken within 90 days of the time when senior al Qaeda planners were deciding on 9/11 targets, Richard Lambert, a retired FBI agent who led the initial 9/11 investigation in San Diego, said. "It is another very large brick in a massive wall of evidence that at this point indicates the Saudi government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks," Lambert said.

What the video shows

Bayoumi filmed the video over the course of several days. It shows entrances and exits of the U.S. Capitol along with security posts and a model of the building. At one point, he points out the Washington Monument and says he'll go there and "report to you in detail what is there." He also notes the airport is nearby.

Lambert, who's now a consultant on the case filed by the families of 9/11 victims to hold Saudi Arabia responsible in the Sept. 11 attacks, said knowledge of where the Washington Monument is in relation to other D.C. landmarks could help guide people toward intended targets.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayoumi-video-examined-as-september-11-evidence-60-minutes/

[gab13by13]

1. I thought it was common knowledge that the Saudi government was complicit?

[BumRushDaShow]

2. It was always assumed

but there was never any "smoking gun" evidence that directly tied the government to the plot.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

16. Now we have one

Stop all arms sales to the middle east. A pox on all their houses. And sue Sauds for the costs of 9/11

[NewEnglandAutumn]

20. That would have interfered with the Bush administration's desire to attack Iraq

[werdna]

3. A picture is worth a thousand words -

Just sayin'.

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[peppertree]

5. Small wonder Dubya let them all flee the U.S. that day - when all other flights had been grounded

As Andy Rooney might say: "Why is that?"

[IronLionZion]

8. Including many of Bin Laden's relatives

The Bush admin claimed at the time they were at high risk of violent repercussions from Americans.

Bin Laden's niece Noor is a MAGA Trump humper

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/steve-bannon-noor-bin-laden-b2085556.html

[peppertree]

10. If our rapid-fire team were HALF as good as the Repugs' - everyone in America would know that by now

Remember when they tried to make every Democrat somehow guilty by association after 9/11?

Starting with the absurd canard that it was "Clinton's fault because he didn't take out bin Laden when he could've!" - something you still hear from some of them if the subject comes up.

They had to give up on it because it wasn't sticking - but they tried.

[Hotler]

12. There's pictures of those two kissing on the lips as if father to son. nt

[AllaN01Bear]

4. aint going to thelp me if cbs wont let me view it but it has always been known that the bushes and suadis had close ties

my internal personal alarms have been going off ever since with this

[Ramsey Barner]

6. I'm skeptical

The film "shows entrances and exits of the U.S. Capitol along with security posts and a model of the building... [and] points out the Washington Monument...."

If your plan is to crash a jetliner into the Capitol, things like entrances, exits, and security posts are pretty irrelevant. And any map of DC shows where the Washington Monument is in relation to the Capitol.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. "things like entrances, exits, and security posts are pretty irrelevant."

The fact that the planes that were headed for D.C. did so AFTER the 2 in NY had already hit their target WTC towers, and they might have anticipated that the U.S. government (military/security/intelligence) would have been on alert (which they were), and could attempt to intercept the D.C.-bound planes - not just in the air, but from the ground.

The plane that hit the Pentagon obviously had to fly low to crash into what was obviously NOT a "tower" or easy target.

[Midnight Writer]

9. No wonder we invaded Iraq in response.

"Clean it up! All of it! Related or non-related!"-Donald Rumsfeld

[DickKessler]

19. "We will make no difference between the terrorists and those who sponsor them."

“PS: don’t ask me about my Saudi friends.”

Dubya 🙄

[Kid Berwyn]

11. For some reason, CIA told FBI to let the suspected terrorists go free.

9/11 could have been stopped in San Diego

Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi lived in Clairemont and Lemon Grove

by H.G. Reza
San Diego Reader, September 7, 2016

The 9/11 attacks could have been derailed in San Diego, had the CIA not spiked a memo alerting the FBI about an Al Qaeda terrorist who was coming to the United States and ended up living here in 2000.

Former FBI agent Mark Rossini, who was assigned to the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center, said CIA officials blocked the memo to the FBI because the agency was complicit with Saudi intelligence agents who were trying to recruit Khalid al-Mihdhar and/or Nawaf al-Hazmi. Mihdhar and Hazmi, both Saudis, lived in Clairemont and Lemon Grove in 2000 and were in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi and former Clairemont resident who many local Muslims suspected of being a Saudi spy, was assigned to shadow Mihdhar and Hazmi, said Rossini. When asked if Bayoumi was also supposed to recruit the terrorists, Rossini said, “Of course he was. How else could he just bump into them and get them an apartment? That’s the whole point. It’s an outrage.”

Bayoumi’s story was told in the San Diego Reader’s July 27 issue. He emerged as the most enigmatic character in the 9/11 saga.
Bayoumi claimed that he met Mihdhar and Hazmi by accident in a Los Angeles restaurant on February 1, 2000, and persuaded them to move to San Diego. On February 4, 2000, he was helping the pair fill out a rental application and move next door to him at a Clairemont apartment complex. He also helped the terrorists open a bank account and paid their first month’s rent, for which he was promptly reimbursed. Bayoumi claimed he was simply doing a favor for fellow Muslims. Investigations by the FBI and 9/11 Commission concluded that Bayoumi did not have prior knowledge of the attacks and the assistance he gave the terrorists was unwitting. Neither body addressed the possibility that he may have been ordered by Saudi intelligence to recruit the pair, though their reports acknowledged that Bayoumi was suspected of being a Saudi agent who kept tabs on local Saudis.

A report released by the Justice Department’s Office of the Inspector General in 2004 said Bayoumi became of peripheral interest to the FBI in 1995 in another terrorism investigation and again in 1998, when the FBI learned he may have been a Saudi agent. But a possible connection to Saudi intelligence alone did not justify an investigation of Bayoumi, because Saudi Arabia was considered a friendly nation, said the report.

Continues...

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/sep/07/cover-911-could-have-been-stopped-san-diego/

So. Why did CIA tell the FBI to let them go?

[Kid Berwyn]

15. Remember: FBI let pilot-wannabe Moussaoui stay free before 9-11, too.

Zacarias Moussaoui was the guy at the Minnesota flight school who was really interested in steering and navigating a 747, not so much taking off or landing. His flight instructor became suspect and notified FBI. They ignored his call, so the flight instructor called his Rep in Washington DC, who got the FBI to take action. After interviewing Moussaoui, they arrested him, but did not go through his laptop computer, even though it would have shown he was tied to 9-11 hijackings. ETA: The flight instructor who turned in Moussaoui later died as the co-pilot who perished in the crash that also claimed the life of Paul Wellstone and his party.

The Moussaoui story from DU of Old:

Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=757860&mesg_id=757860

[twodogsbarking]

13. Let us not assume that the government will tell us the truth.

[CaptainTruth]

14. "the U.S. position has been that al Qaeda acted alone on September 11th"

Only to people who weren't paying attention.

[DickKessler]

18. Well the position of the Bush-Cheney administration was that Iraq might have had something to do with it.

Of course that was all lies and bullshit to help sell a war they wanted anyway.

[DickKessler]

17. Meanwhile, the President is willing to give them a security guarantee if they normalize with Israel.

I can’t for the life of me figure out Biden’s thinking there.

Of course Trump and Kushner are basically agents of the Saudis and other autocratic governments. Nakedly corrupt shitheads.

[stopdiggin]

21. well, that settles it then ...

conclusive new evidence of - - well, something surely ...

because, lots of us hanging out in internet chat rooms - had the low down on this a long time ago ...

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[question everything]

22. Will this, then be on 60 minutes? An analyst this morning said that this is clearly a casing

[BumRushDaShow]

23. The last sentences of the OP article -

This report aired on the CBS Evening News on Thursday, June 20. Cecilia Vega's full report is set to air on 60 Minutes in the fall.

[LudwigPastorius]

24. As long as the U.S. military runs on oil (which would be "indefinitely"),...

we will be in thrall to the Saudis.

Sad, but true.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. "As long as the U.S. military runs on oil (which would be "indefinitely"),...we will be in thrall to the Saudis."

Not anymore. The U.S. has been pumping out more oil (thanks to the nasty fracking) than Saudi (or any other single country). That is why Saudi has been freaking.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-worlds-biggest-oil-producers-in-2023/



https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545



That shift started in 2018. The U.S. is currently pumping out about 13 million bbls/day.

[snot]

26. "Napoleon...

...said that it wasn't necessary to completely suppress the news; it was sufficient to delay the news until it no longer mattered."

– attributed by PRWatch to Martin A. Lee & Norman Solomon, Unreliable Sources: A Guide to Detecting Bias in News Media (New York: Lyle Stuart, 1991), p. xvii.

Or, you can try to de-fang the truth with disinfo. The problem is, you have to come up with a plausible alternative scenario – a challenge never quite met in this situation or w.r.t. the JFK assassination.

[lapfog_1]

27. there was a story after 9/11

about the interrogation of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad in Pakistan.

The story goes that we sent in a team of USA interrogators of Saudi ethnicity, dressed as agents of the Saudi secret police... and KSM gave them a number to call who would help get him out of Pakistan.

The fake Saudi agents looked up the phone number and it was the private line to the chief of the Saudi Intelligence Force... a relative of Prince Ahmed Salmon who was here in the USA... a horse racing enthusiast... his prize horse had just won the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness ( War Emblem ), and War Emblem was about to run in the Belmont for the rare triple crown. But instead of watching the race, Ahmed was recalled to SA where, at age 43, he suddenly died of a heart attack. On the way to the funeral, the head of Saudi Intelligence who owned the phone number that KSM had given the fake Saudi security agents died in a car crash ( in a convoy of cars with security forces ). Another highly ranked Saudi royal was killed just days later.

No idea if the details of this story are true (the KSM and phone number bit). But the rest of it is true. Given the practices of the Saudi Royals and their "security" services... it does make you think.

from wikipedia

Ahmed bin Salmon died of heart failure at age 43 in Riyadh on 22 July 2002.[18] He was buried in Al IUD cemetery on 23 July 2002 after funeral prayers at the Imam Turkic bin Abdul mosque in Riyadh.[19][20][21] His cousin, Sultan bin Faisal bin Turkic bin Abdul, brother of Abdul bin Faisal, was coming to Riyadh to participate in funeral prayers for Prince Ahmed when he was killed in a car crash. The cousins were buried together.

In Why America Slept (2003), Gerald Poser claimed Ahmed bin Salmon, along with Sultan bin Faisal bin Turkic bin Abdul, and Prince Fahd bin Turkic bin Saudi al-Caber, all had ties to al-QED, and had advance knowledge of the September 11, 2001 attacks. All three died within days of each other, soon after the CIA inquired about their possible connection to the attacks.[24] The story was strongly denied by his family, who claimed he admired the United States, spent a great deal of time at his home there in Bradbury, California, and had invested heavily in the American horse racing industry.