Democrats pull plug on gun, ammo bans
Source: Quad-City Times
SPRINGFIELD — There’s not enough support in the Illinois Senate to impose tough new restrictions on semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.
In a setback for gun-control advocates in the wake of the killings of school children in Connecticut, the Illinois Senate was poised to adjourn Thursday without voting on two pieces of legislation aimed at limiting access to certain kinds of weapons and bullets.
Although the two proposals could emerge again when the legislature reconvenes next week, the lack of action shows the General Assembly remains divided on how to balance Second Amendment issues.
A spokeswoman for Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, offered no timetable for when the gun safety proposals might surface again.
Read more: http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/democrats-pull-plug-on-gun-ammo-bans/article_32f17fc4-55db-11e2-a7a7-001a4bcf887a.html
If this can't make it through the Illinois legislature, with a majority Democrats, why does anyone think we stand a chance of getting anything similar through the US House of Representatives?
Let's just pray this doesn't turn into 1994 all over again.
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slackmaster
(60,567 posts)The Illini aren't quite as good at is as the leaders in San Francisco, but they're definitely professionals.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)slackmaster
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Proud to have been banned by pro-gun toting host, who allowed RDigital back in gun group only to see him banished. LMAO on that one. Say hello to those who can't venture out of their house without a gun in their pants. Ask them to actually act responsible during 2013 and stop adding more guns to the nation's weapons cache, and opposing rational gun laws that might not be to their gun loving liking.
Enjoy your lethal weapons and jig with your buddies. http://www.democraticunderground.com/117299682
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)but there's plenty of room and dance partners in LBN and GD these days.
Eventually, gun posts will be herded back into the Gungeon, but not yet.
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AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)This sort of reactionary bullshit makes it harder to actually pass meaningful, impactful gun reform, like opening up NICS to public access, so people can do a background check for a private transfer, or registration that carries benefits, rather than penalties, so we can stem the flow of straw purchases and unlawful transfers.
You mistake some 'gungeoneers' as being entirely opposed to ANY regulation at all, and consequently, well, like the Illinois bill, results in nothing getting done.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:47 PM - Edit history (1)
check. But most private sellers don't give a crud who they sell to as long as they get a fistful of cash. The NICS should not be opened for abuse by public.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Why should I, as a private seller, have to pay some 3rd party intermediary?
(I don't actually sell guns, it's a rhetorical question. The law only requires people not to KNOWINGLY sell to an ineligible buyer)
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)You have to sell it to the dealer and then they sell it to the new owner. You really can't just show up and say "One NICS check, please."
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)But, gun sellers really aren't as law-abiding or moral is we are told.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It's required in California and several other states, and in those states (and DC) the specific procedures and even acceptable prices are regulated by state law.
In most states there is no established process for having a dealer handle a transfer from one non-licensee to another. Because there is no standard way of handling it, bobclark86's statement would apply.
http://smartgunlaws.org/private-sales-policy-summary/
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)have a million rationales for being an unethical/immoral/irresponsible gun owner.
I bet most of you are quite cozy with your local gun shop owner.
I know for a fact a number of Gugeoneers are gun profiteers with licenses, so get real and stop acting like son (arrested for road rage shooting) of NRA Prez David Keene.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)There's no reason to bring FFL holders into every transaction.
sir pball
(4,741 posts)Some FFLs are decent people and ask for a reasonable fee. I've done that. And some are usurious bastards - when I lived in PA I was looking at buying a rifle online; a friend's father was a dealer and he was willing to "cut me a break" on his usual transfer rates; he'd knock the $50 flat fee off and only charge me the 15% of sale price. On an $800 rifle. I took a pass on that one and just picked up something else at a local shop. I mean, I suspect YOU'D be fine with an exorbitant transfer fee, since it would discourage sales (or push them off the radar but I digress), but for 5 minutes' work on the FFLs part I'm not willing to pay more than $20.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Your point about the ability to pay a FFL to handle the transfer is not relevant to your quip about 'law abiding'.
Moral is a moving target. Since private transfers are totally legal in most states, the only time I would contest that as immoral, is if the seller knowingly sells to an ineligible recipient. (Also illegal).
geomon666
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donnasgirl
(656 posts)For every aspect of life my friend,look at your government(WAR IS MIGHTY BIG BUSINESS)
duhneece
(4,112 posts)I hope enough of us are gaining a voice at the table and are saying, "no more" to current conditions. I don't think any of us think we can stop all gun deaths, but we can do many things to reduce them, if we stand together and say "no more" valuing the right for anyone to own the kinds of guns & ammo they do now over the rights of innocents.
napi21
(45,806 posts)murder rate in the US? Maybe they just don't read the paper or watch TV!
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)There must be something different about Chicago.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)"The homicide rate in Aurora peaked in the 1990s, with a high of 26 murders in 1995 and 1996, reports the Sun-Times. Massive sweeps on gang members and drug dealers helped narrow the rate to two murders in 2011."
MightyMopar
(735 posts)www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)
Gidney N Cloyd
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Gidney N Cloyd
(19,835 posts)I imagine we'll see it again.
Great Caesars Ghost
(532 posts)NickB79
(19,236 posts)You'll need over 35 states to ratify a change to the US Constitution. Do you really think it would even be close to that at this point?
Great Caesars Ghost
(532 posts)Never said it was easy
jody
(26,624 posts)that means We the People cannot give them away.
Individuals for whom those rights are recognized as natural and inherent have compromised with Society by accepting limited infringement for the benefit of society but not infringement to the point of prohibition of an individual's right.
MightyMopar
(735 posts)
jody
(26,624 posts)our Constitution?
Perhaps you argue those rights don't exist?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)sir pball
(4,741 posts)Will respect stare decisis for the time being. Of course it's not unheard of, nor even especially uncommon, for the courts to overturn precedent - but it's not a quick process. Off the top of my head I think the shortest flip was around fifteen years, and it tends to be a lot longer. And even then, you'll have to find a series of courts that are willing to disregard what's becoming a wider precedent, and then a Court that's willing to take the case. I'm not a prognosticator, it's a perfectly reasonable assumption to say that it may very well pan out that way...but not in the next ten years or so. The judiciary isn't as flexible as you'd like.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Besides, do you see Chicago and DC doing anything in response to Heller and McDonald.
They were pretty flexible in ACA case.
Besides, the best way is to change how guns are viewed in this country. Make guns like smelly cigars, fur coats, discrimination, swastikas, confederate flags, pollution, and the like.
sir pball
(4,741 posts)I see Chicago and DC allowing private possession of handguns; licensing, registration and no carry are fine but prohibition of possession isn't. I haven't seen any challenges at any level to regulations and in light of Heller/McDonald I don't see any forthcoming. I think (legally, not in the discussion here) there's a certain detente in the debate right now - restrictions, even pretty strict ones, are acceptable, but categorical bans, and legal wrangling designed to make legal possession impossible, are out.
Rational discussion can only come after both sides accept the realities - you aren't going to get Heller overturned, and they aren't going to get licensing/reg/&c thrown out. Course, I see hell freezing over before anybody on either side accepts that.
triplepoint
(431 posts)There's supposed to be a bill and a committee for reinstating the ban on Assault Weapons now happening in the Senate. Not sure about the House bill for the same. Maybe we'll see the ban also include the sale of ammunition for these murder weapons.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)as Dems are not anti gun. NRA has way too much power. as far as scaring people. Even if they don't give a shit about their own paying members
maindawg
(1,151 posts)we are a good 4 or 5 mass murders away from actual gun regs.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Firearm owning DEMOCRATS making a difference.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)ranger1
(6 posts)Leave the guns alone!!! Treat Mental Illness!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I hope you enjoy your stay.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I think at some point the sane people will get fed up with the worst of the worst - Hate Radio, Fox "News", the NRA - and start targeting all of these terrorist organizations.
truthisfreedom
(23,146 posts)assault rifle ban, and they told me that it's useless. The high-capacity magazines simply sell out whenever this type of legislation comes up and then there's even more of them on the street being sold at gun shows and privately. The assault weapon bans just lead to more innovation by gun makers to get around the rules. Everything related to restriction of these weapons leads to paranoia and more sales. It's horrible.
The answer to gun violence in schools is to use a combination of safety measures... perhaps bulletproof entry door "airlocks" with metal detectors that lock entrants inside until they can be cleared through bulletproof lexan windows. Perhaps schoolroom doors that can be released by electromagnets like elevator-area fire doors are now, and panic rooms available throughout the hallways for kids and teachers trapped outside classrooms after they lock.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)and then open them for passing periods. Seriously, I like your idea of turning all the schools into prisons...it's sort of like Loony LaPete's solution, only not as expensive, and doesn't create any jobs.
truthisfreedom
(23,146 posts)It's no different than many schools already operate, with locked outer doors, and it confines gun toters so that they can only hurt themselves. The idea of being able to remotely lock classroom doors during emergencies and providing panic rooms is in no way even remotely the same as a prison. Your attitude is unwarranted and your post is abusive.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)I absolutely agree 100%. You are an informed person. Seems to be a lot of people here who dream that they can collect everyone's guns and the World will become a beautiful utopia.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Give it time.
dudemocrat
(5 posts)I'm a staunch liberal, a former Marine, I've always had guns and never felt the desire to kill anyone or anything, but living in L.A. and with the numbers of home invasions, rape and murders having risen exponentially over the past few decades, there is no way I'm going to be unarmed when someone breaks my door down to kill me and my family. The gangs have all the most lethal weapons and I'm not allowed to purchase or own them here legally, so the fight is disproportionate from the get-go. Now the government wants to hand me rubberbands. I don't understand people who don't get that.
