Fox hires Dennis Kucinich as analyst

[swag]

Source: Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — Former Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich has signed on as a regular contributor to Fox News Channel.

The former Ohio congressman unsuccessfully ran for president in 2004 and 2008, and recently ended his congressional career. Fox said Wednesday that Kucinich will make his debut in his new role on "The O'Reilly Factor" on Thursday night.

Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes said he's always been impressed with Kucinich's fearlessness and thoughtfulness on the issues.

Kucinich, who was elected mayor of Cleveland at age 31, said Fox has always provided him with a chance to offer his perspective.


Read more: http://newsok.com/fox-hires-dennis-kucinich-as-analyst/article/feed/487925

[glinda]

1. Well he could be quite wicked if they get him to diss the President.

[Renew Deal]

6. That's going to be his sole purpose.

[MADem]

33. And then the Fauxians will say "See? See? A DEMOCRAT hates the President!! They ALL must hate

him, too, because they're like a borg that thinks alike, doncha know!!!"

He must need money, but damn--there are better ways short of soul-selling and prostitution to get a bit of cash. How anyone could take a paycheck from that craven Murdoch is beyond me--it's a complete abrogation of one's integrity, IMO.

[Cal33]

75. You're jumping to conclusions a bit early, don't you think? Why not wait and see? There's

also a good possibility that Kucinich might give some real news to those Republicans who
listen to or read Fox News only, and expose them to what's actually happening in the
world for the first time.

[MADem]

91. Naah. It's a perfect storm. Kucinich hasn't had a nice thing to say about Obama that I've ever

heard. And he voted with the GOP more often than most Democrats (so far left he's right?). Why wouldn't he go work for the King of All Wingnuts, Rupert the Sleazy? He needs money, and he can grind his axe while taking that cash from Murdoch.

Now that he's no longer a perennial candidate, he can go back to his anti-choice ways, too, if he'd like.

[Ash_F]

116. "voted with the GOP more often than most Democrats"

I think you are thinking of Lieberman,

[southerncrone]

152. As I recall in 2008 when he pulled out of the Presidential race,

when asked by his supporters who he felt they should support, he replied "Obama".
That seems nice.

[MADem]

153. Good thing he didn't say "McCain!" nt

[LoisB]

2. Kucinich on Fox???!!! Hope he hasn't become the next Ed Rendell.

[Renew Deal]

4. He's going to be a punching bag for O'Reilly while criticizing Obama from the left.

[Cal33]

77. Only he isn't the punching bag type. Just look at his past history. Assassination attempts

when he was mayor didn't frighten him away from what he was doing. He continued his
fight against gangsters.

[brush]

155. He can match O'Reilly. Let's see how it plays out. nt

[Cal33]

159. Don't forget, O'Reilly has the tougher job. He has to cover up his lies with further lies. All

Kucinich has to do is to tell the truth. In this sense, any Dem. can out-debate any Repub.

[Bumblebee]

11. Kucinich

He is worse than Rendell -- and always has been. Just an attention whore with few real principles. Not that different from extreme right wingers -- so now he has found his true home...

[tblue]

88. Hanh?

Okay then.

[alp227]

90. If he did, he would be banned from Democracy Now

Video of his interview on 12/28 shortly before his final term ended

[Renew Deal]

3. Is thought this was a joke

Turns out it's Kucinich that is a joke. He's now a tool of the war machine and a sellout. Some would argue that he sold out ages ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130116/us-tv-fox-kucinich

[NoOneMan]

18. Tool of the war machine?

Him criticizing Obama's foreign policy in front of ignorant assholes will make Obama go to war more often?

[TwilightGardener]

5. Well, his family's gotta eat.

[peace frog]

81. My thought as well.

Give 'em hell, Dennis!

[tblue]

89. Righties can learn a thing or two from Dennis.

I don't mind it. Let's see how it pans out.

[BlueCaliDem]

7. This doesn't surprise me, considering some of his votes on some important Democratic bills

and his anti-Obama stance. I'm beginning to believe DK has always been a Republican in heart and soul, and only played it as if he were a Liberal.

[MADem]

34. He was ardently anti-abortion, until it became politically inconvenient to maintain that stance.

The view, which he had held for decades, was incompatible with a national presidential campaign.

[DonViejo]

36. He began his political career as a member

of the Cleveland City Council from an area that was heavily ethnic and anti-Black. Kucinich led the Council's opposition to Mayor Carl B Stokes, the nation's first Black Mayor of a major city. I think we'd refer to the then Dennis as a blue-dog Dem. The stint at FOX just means he's gone back to his roots. BTW, the movie "The Deer Hunter" was filmed in Kucinich's ward.

[bunnies]

8. Is this a frigging joke?

Please tell me this is a joke.

[robinlynne]

9. That IS fearlessness!

[patrice]

12. BULLSHIT it's because DK has been sucking up to Rand Paul, the purveyor of American Exceptionalism

I believe Rand Paul was the original sponsor of this piece of legislation protecting the NRA's FOREIGN gun markets:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022193033

[cali]

27. lol. that's as silly as it gets.

If this is your standard for courage, heaven help you.

[robinlynne]

10. You are all underestimating Dennis Kucinch! one of our best. Your assumptions

are assumptions, nothing more than that.

[Bumblebee]

17. "ONE OF OUR BEST"?

Then we are in trouble. Fortunately he ain't that.

[MADem]

40. Best bullshitters, best attention-mongers, and certainly one of the best at grabbing those matching

funds!

And now, he's one of the best sellouts, working for one of the best heartless, soulless bastards in the known universe.

Cognitive dissonance--'tis hard on some folk.

[Little Star]

161. Amen.

[geek tragedy]

19. "Fox News Democrat" does not belong on any credible person's resume, nt

[patrice]

23. Some of us are saying the same sort of things that what calls itself "the Left" says about PO.

Though it is true that whatever is said in either case, may or may not be true about its respective subject, DK or PO, I just wanted to point this comparison out, because I, unlike what calls itself "the Left, am willing to admit the possibility of my own errors, about DK or anyone else.

[NYC Liberal]

31. Hardly "one of our best". Voted with the Republicans more often than almost every other Democrat

in the House. Only 32 of 200 Dems had a worse voting record than he did in the 112th Congress.

[former9thward]

44. Where is your link for that?

[NYC Liberal]

105. See post #32

[former9thward]

106. Sorry but that is BS.

Your link shows he voted with the party 88% of the time. Nobody voted 100% and even Boehner voted his party 91%. Most Democrats were just a few percent higher in the low 90s. That's why this is BS. What the "party" votes are is not said. Usually most votes in Congress are more complicated than just a "party" vote. Are we to believe that Boehner who is the leader of his party voted against his party 1 out of every 10 times?

[NYC Liberal]

110. Nobody said anyone votes 100% with their party.

Dennis Kucinich is near the bottom in votes with the Democratic party. I say again: he was one of the GOP's most reliable votes from the other side. There are even Blue Dogs who had a better voting record than he did. Most of the Progressive Caucus had a better record.

He was a constant critic of Democrats, got almost nothing of note done during his tenure in Congress, and preferred to throw the baby out with the bathwater when he didn't get his way exactly how he wanted it.

Ted Kennedy managed to be a great liberal and a fighter for liberal causes, while at the same time get shit done.

Dennis can now get paid for his bashing of Democrats and he gets to do it in front of a camera with an audience. I don't doubt he's very excited.

[former9thward]

119. On party unity votes Kucinich voted 95% with Democrats.

Party unity being defined as when a majority of Democrats oppose a majority of Republicans. I knew your chart was BS.

http://innovation2.cq.com/media/2011/votestudy_2011/

[NYC Liberal]

121. Haha! Not BS at all. His opposition was backed up by his words and actions.

As I said, he was a constant critic of Democrats and his record sucks. He did almost nothing of note during his tenture in Congress besides grandstanding to get his mug on TV. He was not an asset for any liberal or progressive who actually wanted to accomplish anything.

You can deny the above facts all you want, but his most recent action belies your spin.

"Through 16 years in Congress and two presidential campaigns, FOX News has always provided me with an opportunity to share my perspective with its enormous viewership. I look forward to a continuation of our relationship this time as a FOX News contributor."

--Dennis Kucinich, FOX News Employee

[cyclezealot]

62. I'll watch first , criticize later.

I doubt Kucinich will stay long. He's too much a proponent of media diversity. Re drones, a president's right to kill Americans without judicial OK. . Obama deserves a little criticism. Kucinich may befriend an occasional Republican. But, he hardly ever votes their way.

[Politicub]

67. He's being paid by Fox. I think he's throwing his scruples out the window

for a paycheck.

Maybe he needs the money.

[cyclezealot]

163. He has a congressional pension

doubtful. I"ve heard Kucinich speak on the O'Reilly factor before. Kucinich has a way to not offend. I think its his spiritual beliefs. When he spoke before O'Reilly before he made his case without selling out. Time will tell....I predict should Fox news not allow him to lay out his views as he'd like , he'll resign on his own. ?
Should he take on the Neo Cons on their own turf, this could be a good thing.?

[Enrique]

13. maybe some conservatives

will realize they are progressives after hearing Dennis on a regular basis.

[Bumblebee]

20. He is not a progressive

He is an opportunist. Always has been.

[colorado_ufo]

14. And in other news . . .

Satan was seen strapping on his ice skates.

[99th_Monkey]

37. LOL +100 nt

[Pryderi]

15. He's the new Alan Colmes n/t

[FreeBC]

125. this

[Jamaal510]

16. "Fox hires Dennis Kucinich as professional liberal punching bag"

There, I fixed it. He'll be just like Alan Colmes and Kirsten Powers.

[tabasco]

21. Perfect place for the little toad.

Dennis is all about Dennis.

[Hugabear]

22. See, they really ARE fair and balanced!

[greatauntoftriplets]

24. Good Lord.

[peace13]

25. Aaaa... Dennis may I have my donations back?

I know you have to eat but this is beyond reason. You strive for perfection and if it misses by a millimeter you *hit in the punch bowl. I really have tired of that.

[cyclezealot]

64. Kucinich's Action fund went to the likes of Alan Grayson

As his political action fund. You think Fox approves ?

[peace13]

146. I must be old.

I actually contributed to his campaigns!

[valerief]

26. Holy cow! It'd be worth watching Fox just for him. nt

[onehandle]

28. 'And tonight, playing the part of the crazy extreme liberal Democrat...' nt

[DCBob]

160. Yes, that is common tactic of RW media.

Hannity does it all the time.

[BlueNoteSpecial]

29. Everybody sing!...Opportunity....opportunity.... is knockin at your door....

....opportunity knocks but once....and don't come back no more.... So grab it in the night, grab it in the day, grab it right now or it will get away....you better snatch and grab it....snatch and grab it....you better snatch and grab it baby 'fore it gets awaaaaaaaaay....

[patrice]

30. Rand Paul got him the job & DK probably thinks he's going to do something there. I don't think he

has what it takes to bring it and even if he does, more or less successfully, do so, he's still just their little token "Liberal".

He will be allowed to say, what they want him to say. He doesn't have the real ability to draw blood and if he perchance did somehow, he'll be fired after FOX makes an adequate display of their intellectual magnanimmity.

[NYC Liberal]

32. One of the GOP's most reliable voters from the Democratic Party:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/112/house/members/

Read it and weep. Only 32 of 200 Democrats voted with Republicans more often than Kucinich did in the last Congress. Even among the Progressive Caucus, he was near the bottom.

His record was even worse in previous Congresses.

[freshwest]

35. Example of 'If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.' I liked DK, even when he was

Alex Jones' guest in 2008. Ron Paul was the mainstay then, and some might be surprised who he's had on the air. He and Paul felt oppressed by their parties.

He's retired now and decided to stay out of office. A lot more money to be made at propaganda central. He'll corral the liberals into watching conservatives and believe Fox is fair and balanced.

Just like Infowars with their 'both parties are the same.' Except the Tea Party and Libertarian, they are much better, just so long as you don't look at the Koch bros money funding the stuff.

Don't look, keep the magic going...

[bvar22]

38. My how the times have changed.

That is about the only thing that will get me to tune in to Fox.
I will wait for the evidence before forming my opinion.
Anyone who thinks that Kucinich will be another Alan Colmes does not know DK.

I was expecting a response out of the ordinary from Dennis after the repeated shaftings from the Democratic Party, but going to FOX was not something that was on my radar.

He is a STAND UP spokesman and representative for traditional Liberal Democratic Party Values,
and an outspoken thorn in the sides of the DLC "Centrists" who were frequently embarrassed by DK stand on Liberal values.


[font color=firebrick][center]”Unlike the other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.”
---Dennis Kucinich [/font]
[/center]

[MADem]

43. Well, he's "funded by corporate interests" now--FauxSnooze is one of the planet's largest media

corporations. So he does owe them his loyalty, and they will influence him--because if his performance doesn't meet their standards, they will fire his ass.

In bed with Murdoch--who knew?

[bvar22]

87. I've never understood how strongly some members of DU...

..oppose private citizens making a living.

I think that using Rupert's money to spread the words and values of FDR, LBJ, and Wellstone is a WIN/WIN,
and wouldn't hesitate to get on THAT Gravy Train myself.
I can't think of a better use for Old Rupert's money.

Anyone who thinks that private citizen Dennis Kucinich is NOW going to suddenly change and start supporting Conservative Values like Mandatory Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations and More Anti-LABOR Free Trade is suffering from delusions.




[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

[MADem]

95. I wouldn't object so much if the guy didn't play the "I'm more principled than the rest of you

compromising bastards" card so very often throughout his self-absorbed career. Of course, when he changed his positions it was because he "rethought"--if anyone else bowed to political reality, they were "caving."

He's a hypocrite. He never worked well with the delegation, either. A difficult man who accomplished little, save garnering attention for himself.

I have enough to get by--I have standards, and I wouldn't go work for Faux. I guess the speaker's circuit is too much work, and that very fat Congressional pension (he's old enough to collect it IN FULL) isn't enough to live the good life?

I hope the soul selling goes well for him, though--he can't go any lower.

[bvar22]

101. I will admit that he was a difficult man...

...who didn't work well with the conservative "Centrist" delegation.

Like me, he has a stubborn streak when it comes to the traditional Democratic Working Class Values of FDR/LBJ, and the direction of the Democratic Party.

As the Democratic party swung farther and farther to the conservative Right, Dennis stood his Democratic ground. He wasn't afraid to call out those who capitulated to Republican demands or sold out to Wall Street and Corporate America.

For THAT, he won MY respect.
Far THAT, he receives your hatred.

We're not very much alike.

[MADem]

148. Please do not characterize my POV as "hatred." Would you like it if I characterized your POV as

"blind, slobbering adoration" or "lockstep loyalty?" I don't do that because that's getting personal, ascribing motives not in evidence, and it's rude.

See how that works? There's no need to get personal and shitty. Your little dig reflects more on you than me. And on that score, no, we're not very much alike at all, I'd say. I can have an adult conversation, replete with differences, without characterizing your motives in a petty and childish fashion.

I don't "hate" the man, I simply think he is an opportunist and a sell-out. It takes caring to hate, and anyone who would flush their reputation, such as it is, for a Murdoch paycheck has enough personal problems without my emotional input. I'd also venture to say that if becoming "more of a Democrat" means taking a check from an agency that never let the truth get in the way of a good story, a place that prioritizes low cut blouses and a bimbo culture over facts and analysis, well, I'd prefer to not be "more" of that kind of a Democrat. That crew, let's remember, calls the Quisling Dick Morris one of their "Democrats" as well.

If you choose to buy what they sell, that's on you. I'll eschew their wares.

[Indykatie]

137. I Agree With MADem Re Kucinich and Never Understood the High Regard He Enjoyed at DU

Some actually saw him as a credible candidate for president. Kucinich is not the face of a liberal Democrat that I would entrust to advocate liberal positions and let's face it he won't change many Fox viewers minds and Fox knows that or they wouldn't have hired him.

[MADem]

149. My personal view is that they hired him so they could alternate between mocking him and holding

him up as the Authoritative Voice of the Democratic Party (which they'll likely call "The DemocRAT Party, snicker, snicker, snort, yuck!&quot .

He'll probably get the same make-up artist that they gave Colmes--greasy hair mussed and dyed far too dark, pan stick makeup sickly coffin-white, clothes a bit rumpled and ill-fitting....it's like a Passion Play with those guys; they appeal to the lowest common denominator. He'll be the wrestler the crowd loves to boo in the Faux Snooze Big Time Wrestling Ring. And we know how that wrestling stuff is fixed...!

[ProSense]

63. "That is about the only thing that will get me to tune in to Fox."

Murdoch's brilliant strategy! Brilliant!!!!

"Anyone who thinks that Kucinich will be another Alan Colmes does not know DK."

Why is he getting paid more?

[bvar22]

112. Well, I will admit to another weakness.

I also tune in when Bill Clinton appears on O'Reilly's Fox Show.


...and you KNOW I'm not a big fan of old DLC Bill,
but I like to stay informed.

I'm really glad Rupert will be spending his money to give a platform to a Liberal Democrat.
I can't understand the opposition that some DUers have to a consistent and stalwart Liberal Democrat's voice on O'Reilly's show.



[font color=firebrick][center]The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR. [/font][/center]

[tblue37]

158. I am a huge Wesley Clark fan. I think he

did the liberal cause a lot of good when he appeared regularly on FOX. Diehard Teabagger types won't change, obviously, but some Republicans are just ill-informed and inclined to continue to trust and stay with the same party they have always identified with--and in many cases that connection was established when they were kids, simply because everyone around them was a member of the same party. I have a lot of relatives, otherwise wonderful people, who have always been Republicans and who watch FOX and have their worldview deformed by it because they never get any better information.

My father was a career Air Force man. He was at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. His whole Sicilian immigrant family is super committed to patriotism, and there's a strong tradition of military service in the family. In fact, I was the first of his kids who didn't join the military!

For people like my relatives, hearing the liberal argument presented by a highly respected general with decades of honored service to his name undoubtedly helped to counter some of the BS they were hearing 24/7 from everyone else on FOX. I am sure that most FOX viewers remained unmoved, but I bet at least a few were influenced by Clark when he was a regular FOX contributor. Some here on DU called him a fool or a traitor for appearing on FOX, but I thought he was helping the liberal cause.

Kucinich won't have Clark's military backgroundd to help him win a modicum of respect from those viewers inclined that way, but he is a staunch, well-spoken liberal, and I cannot imagine Kucinich rolling over or playing doormat with wishy-washy arguments for his liberal views the way most of FOX's token liberals do.

I imagine that for most FOX viewers he will just reinforce their prejudice against what they consider "extreme" leftwing views. But those few who are FOX-viewing Republicans from long habit and circumstance, rather than from inherent nastiness, might be enlightened, at least a bit, when they hear someone speak intelligently and with sincere conviction about beliefs that they have only ever heard presented in the most outrageously false ways by people like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, et al.

[cyclezealot]

139. Kucinich appearing on Fox is nothing new.

He's been on the O'Reilly show many times. Each time I've seen him before O'Reilly he did not back down from his ideals.. Quite the opposite.

[Politicub]

39. Talk about going over to the dark side!

I question his integrity since he's going to be on the Murdoch payroll.

The proof in the pudding will be if he bashes his fellow dems.

[dlwickham]

48. don't you mean when

not if

[Politicub]

69. Sadly, that's what I should have said

I'll admit I never was a big fan of his.

[dlwickham]

140. I'm not either

[olddad56]

41. traitor

[Agnosticsherbet]

42. Sold out to big corporation for big money...

Ha!

[JNelson6563]

45. But...but...but...he's a *real liberal*!1!

lolz

Remember how shocked certain folks were to learn that HuffPo was really HuffHo? Yeah, I reckon it's these same folks whose heads are exploding right now.

Julie

[dogman]

46. Reading many posts here he must be Ailes next pick for GOP Pres

Wes Clark went into the lion's den, but I don't think their viewers are capable of enlightenment. I hope he has integrity.

[dlwickham]

47. Interesting to see so many turn on him

fair weather folk

[cali]

51. I like

Dennis, but it's hard to have any respect for this decision of his.

[frylock]

99. they've always hated DK around here

[olddad56]

100. I think he turned on us.

[Myrina]

167. The Ol' DU Bus has a mighty big under carriage ...

and very large tires ...

[msanthrope]

49. You Better Believe It!! nt

[Arkana]

50. What the fuck?

Why on earth would Kucinich do this? At best he's going to be the token liberal who always gets shouted down, at worst they're going to trot him out as an example of a Democrat who constantly disagrees with the President.

[frazzled]

52. Useful idiot for Fox News

He will suit their needs perfectly. I am not surprised. Well, yes, I am a little surprised.

[RKP5637]

53. $$$$$ talks and influences people greatly. n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

54. The Onion, right? Please say this is The Onion.

[judesedit]

56. Don't let the country down, Dennis. Speak the truth out of honor not revenge.

[stevenleser]

57. Hoping Dennis "Brings it!". Looking forward to see of what he is made

No judgements here. Lets see what we shall see. Now Fox has both Dennis and Joe Trippi.

[madrchsod]

58. daniel in the lion`s den....

[brentspeak]

59. Obama sits down for interview with Bill O'Reilly

Ups Fox's ratings:

[ProSense]

60. Obama still shuns Faux News

Obama still shuns Faux News
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022202491

Still, I could see how Kucinich going to Fox Noise wins it instant credibility with you.

[brentspeak]

72. Obama "shuns" Fox News by answering more Fox reporters' question than

questions posed by Washington Post, USA Today, and McClatchy Newspaper reporters:

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2013/01/fox_still_shunned_at_obama_pre.php

Outlets Selected for Questions at President Obama News Conferences, 2009-2013

...

Rank: 9 - Fox News (#questions: 14)
Rank: 10 - Washington Post (#questions: 11)
Rank: 11 - USA Today (#questions: 9)
...
Rank: 13 (tie) - McClatchy (5)

[ProSense]

74. Paid, dude, paid.

Murdoch's writing Kucinich's checks.

[brentspeak]

80. Maybe you, like Obama, have something of a soft spot for Fox News

He, by answering Fox News reporters' questions more than he does the Washington Post and USA Today; you, by laughably linking to "facts" which actually say the opposite of what you intended to say.

[ProSense]

82. Kucinich is the one who works for Fox.

Maybe you should too.

[bvar22]

93. Invoking Bvar's Postulate on Post #60.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240173114

[font size=4]Bvar's Postulate[/font]
The first person to use in a discussion thread is not really laughing,
but has, in effect, made a public admission that they are no longer able to cogently defend their position,
and are desperately clinging to the absurd misconception that no one will be able to see through their pathetic attempt to Save Face.

[ProSense]

96. Hey, go ahead and defend Fox Noise.

After all, they've already won you over:

"That is about the only thing that will get me to tune in to Fox. "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=371006

Brilliant Murdoch move.

Wait for it....

[bvar22]

98. That IS a video of President Obama appearing on Fox News.

You just saw your entire argument shot down in flames,
but you want us to believe you're laughing.
.
.
.
.
Yep. I believe that.
.
.
.
Un Hunh
.
.


Well now I'm laughing too,
at the transparent desperation.

Cheers!

[ProSense]

102. Has Kucinich been hired by Fox as a paid contributor?

Is Murdoch his boss?

[bvar22]

107. And DK is a private citizen, not a Public Official...

...so what IS your point?
I'm increasingly surprised at the number of DUers who oppose private citizens working for a living.

If Dennis starts suddenly pushing for Conservative Republican values like Mandatory Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations,
or MORE Free Trade,
or Drone Bombings,
or more extra-Constuitutional power for the "Unitary Executive",
I'll be the first to express my disappointment.

I can't think of a better way to spend old Rupert's money than to have someone standing UP for the Liberal values I still support.




[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

[ProSense]

109. So are Dick Morris, Alan Colmes and the other Fox contributors.

"I'm increasingly surprised at the number of DUers who oppose private citizens working for a living. "

Are you defending Fox?

[bvar22]

117. That is logically inconsistent.

...which is no surprise considering the origin.

I'm not "defending" anything.
Are you attacking me for supporting a private citizen's right to work for a living,
or to appear on Fox?


If DK suddenly starts pushing Conservative Policies,
I will be the first to attack him,
but, as I stated above, I'm not going to be pulled into a Knee Jerk judgement,
unlike some here.

[ProSense]

118. Bill Clinton is a paid Fox contributor?

Damn, are you that desperate?

[bvar22]

122. I don't know whether he was paid or not.

Bill Clinton IS a private citizen, and makes a lot of money through public appearances.
Do you KNOW whether he was paid for his appearance?

I really don't care either way,
because I have no problem with private citizens being fairly compensated for their time...but apparently you do.
Why don't you explain that objection to us.

I LIKE the idea of Rupert's money financing a Liberal voice on his network.




Hey.
What happened to the cartoon smilies?
..No longer laughing, are you?

[ProSense]

124. Really?

"Do you KNOW whether he was paid for his appearance?"

It was a fucking interview!

I really don't care either way,
because I have no problem with private citizens being fairly compensated for their time...but apparently you do.
Why don't you explain that objection to us.

I LIKE the idea of Rupert's money financing a Liberal voice on his network.

Yup, it's desperation. I'm sure you're OK with lobbyists and the like. After all, they've got to eat.

Oh brother.



Dennis Kucinich Cashes In With FoxNews
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/16/1179544/-Kucinich-Cashes-In-With-FoxNews

[bvar22]

162. Do you KNOW whether on not Private citizen Bill Clinton was paid?

It is routine for networks to pay people for appearing on their shows,
especially if they are guaranteed Ratings Boosters.
O'Reilly's show is organized under the Entertainment/Commentary division at Fox, not the "News" division.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Old Dog picked up a check for his time.



I don't really care either way.
I mentioned above that I am in favor of Private Citizens being fairly compensated for their time & effort.
YOU are the one having a problem with it,
but so far have not been able to logically explain your attacks.
Just stamping you foot and insisting that, somehow, magically,
it is different when Bill Clinton does it is not a logically sound argument.

Cheers!

[ProSense]

120. Also, despite the false equivalency,

it's interesting that you're trying to justify Fox by comparing Kucinich to Bill Clinton, you know, the DLC guy.

Damn!

[rational_pi]

138. Except he is not justifying Fox.

I am also baffled by this over reaction! It is possible that Fox news may be trying to get some credibility. It may turn out that,
(1) DK will just be the token Liberal whipping boy.
(2) DK turns into just another Faux news conservative talking head,
(3) DK will be allowed to express his opinion openly and he becomes an effective Liberal voice for that outfit,
(4) DK may find that he is being used or is forced to follow an script and flip his middle fnger to Faux and quit.

It seems most here are already convinced of (1) and/or (2).

Why don't we wait and see?

[Politicub]

68. But he wasn't paid for the interview. Kucinich is on the Fox payroll.

If you can't see the difference then I can't help you.

But the proof will be in the substance of his views.

[OnyxCollie]

141. Obama was the top recipient of News Corp employee campaign contributions.

When's the DoJ going to investigate News Corp phone hacking?

Ah, that only happens in other countries.

Fun Fact: Viet Dinh, the author of the USA PATRIOT Act, is on News Corp's board of directors.

[Politicub]

142. Huh? So you're saying Dennis isn't on the payroll?

[Cha]

173. But, but, but..

Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama.. it's all Obama fault! Obama made Dennis do it.

[Politicub]

175. Hahahha

Yes - Obama's fault!

[Still Sensible]

61. Yep, dual purpose here for Fox

One, the positions he takes will often be the most liberal... nothing wrong with that on its face, but it will give Fox what they will portray as a far left contrast to their "reasonable" (read neanderthal, racist, right wing knuckle dragging) viewers... whose numbers, by the way, seem to be declining, but they're so damn brainwashed. They wil try and portray his solid liberal viewpoint as both "way out there" and "mainstream democrat" at the same time.

And, two, it gives them someone who can level severe criticism from the left to aid Fox in the right's divide and conquer quest.

I am sure that DK will often have terrific perspectives and great analysis. But make no mistake, he will be used by the evil Fox empire.

[Buzz Clik]

65. Awesome! What's next for Dennis? Keynote speaker at the GOP Convention?

I cannot say I am shocked, but I am certainly disappointed.

[and-justice-for-all]

66. WTF?! nt

[libodem]

70. I hope he teaches them a thang or two

And I hope they do not intend to belittle and mock him at his expense. They are ruthless and cruel ideological propagandists.

[otohara]

71. Hugely Dissapointing

Blood money ... Get ready for daily abuse from your new co workers

[Kelvin Mace]

73. Personally, having been on Fox News once

you couldn't pay me to go on ever again. There is no soap in the universe that will get the stench out.

[DonCoquixote]

76. Please tell me this is the Onion!

Dennis,hold out for Al-Jazeera...you should know that is BLOOD MONEY!

and as far as this quote:

"Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes said he's always been impressed with Kucinich's fearlessness and thoughtfulness on the issues. "

The translation is "he is a useful idiot that I can use to destroy the left!"

[ballaratocker]

78. I'm guessing he will be put in the Alan Colmes/Bob Beckel category.

He will be a liberal milquetoast who comes on to criticize Democrats. It's very disappointing.

[bluestateguy]

79. You see what they are doing here, right

Rather than have on a Democrat who is an Obama supporter they will have on a Democrat who is a solid left-wing critic of the president, to fan the flames of disunity in the Democratic Party.

That's the plan.

[aandegoons]

86. That is probably true.

Or they just may be trying to upset their already shrinking viewership to try and stem bleeding artery. Either way I doubt it will bring any of us extremist lefties to the table. I will continue to boycott them and any business that supports them.

[stultusporcos]

83. More people will listen to him who need to be converted then preaching to the converted

on another channel.

Working in the enemy's camp to undermind them could have big payoffs in the end.

Yes when PBO acts like a pub he needs to be called on it too and I don't not care either why because it would be truthful and cheerleading is worthless and does not help the country at all.

[greatauntoftriplets]

111. Kucinich won't convert the dittoheads who watch Fox.

More likely he'll confirm their belief that Democrats are a bunch of crazies.

[stultusporcos]

113. Perhaps

Personally I have nothing to do with all things Republican but Dennis decided to take a different path so maybe he will have some luck maybe not. It is his choice so I am sure he has an idea as to what he is doing.

[NYC Liberal]

114. LOL:

"Through 16 years in Congress and two presidential campaigns, FOX News has always provided me with an opportunity to share my perspective with its enormous viewership. I look forward to a continuation of our relationship this time as a FOX News contributor."

Yeah I'm sure he's going to stick it to the people writing his paycheck!

[stultusporcos]

115. He has to stick nothing only speak the truth

keep it simple

[Duval]

84. Fox made a big mistake.

I've always thought of Kucinich as one of the most honest politicians and as a true patriot. It is ok to disagree with some of our President's policies, but to turn to Fox's "hate venue" is not Kucinich. I hope he makes a much needed contribution to Truth. Still, I can hardly believe this.

[iandhr]

85. The only reason why Fox whats him is so they can have a "Dem" to bash the President.

[patrice]

108. +1 & It won't matter one bit it's a Dem who's never managed to **DO** anything but pipe-dreams his

entire career.

[Exen Trik]

92. I'll reserve jugement until I see how it plays out

I'm sure Fox sees him as someone who can either be ridiculed as a liberal or used as a critic of Obama, or perhaps both at once. But how it'll play out? If he can just promote some honest, healthy, informed populism among the fox news crowd I think the country as a whole will be better for it. Even if its basically presented as anti-Obama, a push from the right and left on mutually important issues could do wonders for our public discourse.

I'm willing to bet that's the angle he has in mind too.

But as I said, we'll see how it goes...

[ReRe]

94. I wonder if Kucinich...

... asked them if they knew what they were doing? Maybe Ailes thinks he can drag some democrats over to watch Fox News, since they have hired Dennis? I love Dennis Kucinich, but I will never watch Fox news in order to get a glimpse of him. I salute him for doing this...literally entering the lions den to speak truth to money (oops, I mean power). They will try to chew him up and spit him out, but he will turn the tables on them and leave them wondering what the Hell happened. Dennis has the power of his convictions,
and no one, not even Fox News, can conquer it. I salute Dennis Kucinich!

[IronicNews]

97. If he has a certain type of contract with Fox he cannot go speak on other networks.

Also, viewership on right wing networks plummeted after the election so being the good capitalists they are, Fox, probably did this to gain viewers. I kind of what to see what he has to say...

[kairos12]

103. Kucinich in Star Wars

He will be that rat like creature next to Jabba the Ailes on Storm Trooper News.

[triplepoint]

104. The Dove Guarding the "Fox House"

Way to go Dennis! You're our Mole there now!

[Jim Lane]

123. I can't believe the rush to judgment before even his first appearance.

Apparently DU is full of geniuses who know exactly what Kucinich will say, including the extent to which he'll present genuine progressive positions and the extent to which he'll be manipulated by Fox just to make Obama look bad.

Hey, geniuses, could I have your picks for the NFL playoffs this weekend?

I side with the rational voices, such as cyclezealot in #62 ("I'll watch first, criticize later&quot and Exen Trik in #92 ("I'll reserve jugement until I see how it plays out&quot .

My personal prediction is that, yes, he'll criticize Obama, but he'll also criticize plenty of RWers, and will at least let a little fresh air into the hermetically sealed Fox bubble.

You might also consider that criticism from the left can help Obama. On health care, for example, the ACA looks moderate and centrist if you consider it as a compromise between the right (an unregulated free market) and the left (single payer). I'm sure many Fox viewers don't even realize that there's anything to the left of the ACA.

[NorthCarolina]

126. It's simply another opportunity for the 3rd way crew at DU to

express their utter contempt for anything, or anyone, of the Liberal ilk. A feeding frenzy of sorts, except that the only blood in the water is of their own making, to satisfy their own ends. On the reality side, I seriously doubt that Dennis will sacrifice any of his beliefs for Fox, any more than Michael Steele has on MSNBC. Third wayers hate Kucinich speaks the truth, even when it is inconvenient for them, and for that he endures their full wrath. It is kind of fun to watch them scramble over each other to peddle their wares though, rec, +1, Huge K&R, 'you know Kucinich used to be pro-life', yadda, yadda, yadda.

[ProSense]

128. "I seriously doubt that Dennis will sacrifice any of his beliefs for Fox"

You mean like getting paid by Murdoch?

It's pretty hilarious that you're criticizing people for not being on board with Kucinich joining Fox.

[NorthCarolina]

132. Yawn

If you hate Liberals, just say so and state your reasons...it's your right. This 'round-about' kabuki our 3rd wayers constantly use to express their dislike of the Liberal class without actually having to come out and directly say it smacks as a bit ridiculous to me. That's all.

[ProSense]

133. Wait,

"If you hate Liberals, just say so and state your reasons...it's your right. "

...Fox Noise is for "liberals"?

"This 'round-about' kabuki our 3rd wayers constantly use to express their dislike of the Liberal class without actually having to come out and directly say it smacks as a bit ridiculous to me."

You know what "smacks as a bit ridiculous": that piece of drivel above.


Are you going to watch Fox Noise now that Kucinich has been hired?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022204073

[greiner3]

127. Will I have this post deleted;

By insulting 75% of the posters here?

Fuck any and all DU'ers who have anything bad to say/think about Dennis.



Holy shit people, Fuck You if you think Dennis will turn on his life long Progressive stance.



I have many problems with Obama and I am vocal on them.



Does this make me a 'turncoat?'

Does this make me a whore for Fox News (granted I will not have a 'bully pulpit' either)?

Does this make me any less of a Progressive?

I think the knee jerk reaction to this news, at least for the non-trolls, is WAY over the top.

Fuck the trolls and any DU member who still has thoughts that Dennis has 'betrayed us' in the light of tomorrow's day.

[ProSense]

129. Kucinich

"Holy shit people, Fuck You if you think Dennis will turn on his life long Progressive stance. "

...used to be pro-life. Nothing "life long" there.

Again, you're upset because people hate the notion that he joined Fox Noise. Oh well.

[NorthCarolina]

156. And you know what..

Obama used to be anti-gay marriage. Nothing life-long there either. Your problem with Kucinich is that he IS a liberal, and it really has nothing to do with him being a Fox contributor. That is just the excuse you jumped on to further bash the liberal class. You do realize how transparent the motivation factor for your crew here on DU is don't you?

[NYC Liberal]

134. LOL @ "life long Progressive stance"

Dennis is NOT a progressive. Being a "progressive" entails working for progress. Dennis did nothing of the sort. He accomplished next to nothing in his Congressional career because he has an ego the size of Alaska and threw tantrums every time he didn't get his way exactly how he wanted it. He constantly threw the baby out with the bathwater, rejecting any progress because it wasn't everything he wanted.

"Does this make me a whore for Fox News" -- not unless you are a salaried Fox News employee with your paychecks signed by Rupert Murdoch. Dennis Kucinich is. Are you?

Dennis Kucinich was an obstacle to progress and most certainly not a friend of liberals who were serious about getting things done.

Ted Kennedy is an example of a liberal who amassed a great progressive record while working with other people, something which Kucinich never did.

[Little Star]

166. Amen!

[Politicub]

135. Do you get a paycheck from Fox?

That's the difference my friend.

[MrMickeysMom]

144. I salute your post...

Dennis can honestly join those who say, "there is a vast conspiracy of the normal against the different"

I salute his dedication to be different than most of the so called Democrats in Congress. I think he'll use the money wisely for his own war chest.

The ends justify the interesting means put in front of the bunch of fucked up Fox News watchers, g3.

[flvegan]

145. Amen.

[Cha]

174. "Fuck any and all DU'ers who have anything bad to say/think about Dennis."

Right backatcha, hothead.

[DonCoquixote]

130. Do you think Dennis is Naive about what he is doing?

Are there no currents, no Al jazeeras, no Huffpos, hell any MSNBCS that he could apply to, no, he went for the ego, and secondly the money.

If Keith O showed up at Fox news, there are would be screams that rival the ninth layer of Hell!
Then again, Keith O would not do this.

and all the people saying "You are just third way people" etc, ask yourself this, how can Dennis be uncomprised if he takers money from Murdoch?

Hell, if he offered to slam Obama for free, I could still see some honesty, but he wanted to aid fox to punish Obama because,like many egotists, he feel once the collapse happen, people will finally listen to him..

[onpatrol98]

136. No Al Jazeeras, HuffPos, MSNBCs

I'm for waiting and seeing. He could be a refreshing change. I'm not a fan of Alan Colmes or Bob Beckel, but I actually think Kirsten Powers sounds like the sane one in the group when she speaks. I think Dennis will come across as knowledgeable and give a predominately right leaning audience a "different" point of view.

Maybe he didn't want to work for an MSNBC or Current. I would think it would be more fun to debate differing opinions than to spend all day long with people who think just like me. I think it's a bold move. I think he'll stick to his positions. I don't have to agree with everyone all the time. Maybe it will help Fox users.

They may be losing viewers, but they still have a boat load of them. If there are minds that need changing, I say go to that location and speak. I hope he does well. And, if things go south...after the disclosure agreement wears out, he can come out and share the dirt on Fox.

Win/Win

[DonCoquixote]

150. OK, pardon me here, but

First of all, Fox is not going to let him get points in edgewise,unless it is how much Obama sux. Please, this is not a place where debate happens, it is the WWE of news, where everything is set up beforehand. Actually, since a lot of 'accidents" happen in the WWE, it is in insult to compare the slick, quick edit of Fox to the WWE.

And let's say he storms off, you do not think Fox has a bunch of lawyers, as well as would be james O keefes ready to make up some mystical "footage ' that will be played ad nauseam, judge as proven fact before the screenwriters even bother to write it?

And of course, this is the "we hate Obama so much we will help the GOp" BS that people got tired of, they listened to this meme in 2010, and we all know what happened there.

Dennis is eithe rseeling out, or, even more likely, letting hsi ego run away with him, either way, he is a fool. We do not need to ehar the inevitable "why Dennis K works at Fox" BS.

[NorthCarolina]

157. What you speak is sensible -

however, this entire thread is not about that which makes sense, it's simply about bashing Liberalism,and kucinich going to Fox is nothing more than an opportunity for our conservative astroturf crew to do just than albeit in a round-about way.

[bvar22]

165. Nailed It!!

--bvar22
a Mainstream-Center loyal, FDR/LBJ Working Class Liberal Democratic Party activist for over 44 years,
now labeled a Fringe Leftist by some at DU.
I haven't changed.



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[onpatrol98]

168. Seems much ado over nothing

I don't think its a big deal. Me personally, I want to see what he says. If it's astroturf, he won't be on long. But, I would love to see fireworks. I would love to see their ideas challenged in their faces.

If that doesn't happen, I can easily flip the channel. But, realistically speaking, Dennis is on their channel for the money. He needs to pay the bills. But, if he can remain true to his principles, then he'll speak the truth as he sees it and FOX will be paying to hear him speak to millions.

Sometimes we'll agree and sometimes we won't. I wouldn't respect him at all, if all he was capable of doing was "group think". Not to mention, more than just hardcore conservatives watch Fox News. It's just only the conservatives that enjoy it. I watch every news station. I will watch FOX (when I can stand it), CNN, MSNBC, HLN, and whatever else my little cable selection offers. And, there are others who watch it as well. That's the only way they could possibly have the numbers they have.

I just don't watch every one on every news station. I actually like Shep quite a bit. Heck, even my mother watches Fox sometimes. Now, she may be yelling at the TV when she does, but she always had the attitude of, you have to know what other people are saying. You can't live in a bubble.

I wish him luck. If it sucks too badly, I have no doubt he'll either leave or get the boot. I watch when Jon Stewart goes on Fox, too. And, the contrast is huge. He's always in control of his facts. And, he's always interesting when he's confronting half truths and such. And, I do not believe he compromises what he believes when he speaks. I also do not believe liberal causes suffer when his knowledge, demeanor, and command of the situation is showcased.

Truth is portable. You can take it anywhere and it'll always be good.

[bvar22]

169. Well Said!

Polite and reasonable too.
I had to check to see if I was still on DU.

Kudos for THIS:
[font size=3]"Truth is portable. You can take it anywhere and it'll always be good."[/font]

[Great Caesars Ghost]

131. All respect out the window

There is no room in the progressive front to play nicey nicey with the enemy known as Fox News. Which is a shame, he was a great progressive.

[LostinRed]

143. Brother is he serious?

Why is he wasting his time in that sewer pit

[DeSwiss]

147. Cat among the Dodos? n/t

[DonCoquixote]

151. Dennis, get outta there now

Or else take your payment in 30 pieces of silver.

[southerncrone]

154. He won't be there long, his vocabulary is too advanced for

their viewers & "anchors". They'll think he's a for'ner speakin' anudder langweg.

[Freddie Stubbs]

164. At least he'll be getting paid for it now

Not really a surprise, considering that he was a frequent guest on the network while he was in Congress.

[Cha]

170. Roger Fucking Ailes says he has "courage" so it must be

true. He won't be on fox if he doesn't get in the Lying bashing Pres Obama lockstep mode.

I'm not surprised.. just more pissed at him than when he lost and accused Marcy Kaptur of cheating. Asshole.

[Douglas Carpenter]

171. let's just wait and see how it goes. I think he will do fine for the progressive cause

He is not Allan Colmes. He is not one to acquiesce to the punching bag role for anyone. One of the problems in the current range of discussion is that the mainstream media represents Obama as the farthest left anyone can even imagine. The is neither good for the Obama agenda or for the progressive agenda. When Bernie Sanders appears on FOX News - I would say he gets a fair degree of respect and apparently lots and lots of fan mail from ordinary Fox News viewers who discover that they actually agree with him on a lot of issues. I think Dennis may very well be the same.

There are many conservative who will respect an unabashed and unapologetic liberal or progressive a lot more than a weak knee somewhat center left - watered down liberal apologist.

I think Dennis will do very well for the cause. But let's wait and see.

[Charles Goya]

172. If Kucinich maintains his ideology, I have no problem with that

A problem would be if he turned conservative or failed to defend liberal views.