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bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:39 PM Feb 2012

Romney Team Slams ‘Flawed’ Poll That Shows Mitt Flailing

Mitt Romney’s campaign is publicly arguing that the methodology of a WaPo/ABC poll tainted its finding that his national numbers are tanking. However, polling experts who talked to TPM say that the survey is in line with a broad set of evidence that Romney’s general election appeal is declining — even if the poll’s approach is less than ideal.

The poll in question couldn’t have looked much worse for Romney’s presidential hopes. While it indicated he was still strong in the primary, his national numbers showed a rapid fall with Obama leading him 51-45 among registered voters. Romney pollster Neil Newhouse says these top line numbers should be disregarded because the question came after a series of queries referencing various recent stories surrounding Romney, including whether voters think his wealth is a positive or negative, whether they think he did more to create or cut jobs at Bain Capital, whether they feel his 14% tax rate is fair, and whether his Mormon religion affects their views of his candidacy.

“The poll introduced specific negative information about Governor Romney immediately prior to asking the ballot match-up against President Obama,” Newhouse wrote. “While I certainly understand the difficulty of designing a questionnaire to learn as much information as possible about a campaign, and the compromises that sometimes have to be made, the questionnaire design used by the Post/ABC Poll in this case is seriously flawed.”

Jon Cohen, director of polling for the Washington Post, told TPM in an e-mail that he felt the results held up.

More here:

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/romney-team-says-brutal-wapoabc-poll-was-biased.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

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Romney Team Slams ‘Flawed’ Poll That Shows Mitt Flailing (Original Post) bathroommonkey76 Feb 2012 OP
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NO FAIR BAD POLL BAD POLL!! Bicoastal Feb 2012 #1
Gingrich will use the poll kenfrequed Feb 2012 #3
Snip taken from the article... bathroommonkey76 Feb 2012 #2
Poll or not, Romney is Flawed and a Failure. All the poll does is underscore these facts! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2012 #4
But Faux Snooze polls are 100% right on, right Mitt? No problems with methodology in those polls. bulloney Feb 2012 #5
So his numbers dropped because the pollsters told the truth about Romney? Kalidurga Feb 2012 #6
Bwahaha! That's the message of a LOSING CAMPAIGN. Drunken Irishman Feb 2012 #7
Willard ........... Mr. Entitled Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #8
Have there been any polls Mz Pip Feb 2012 #9
Poor Romney. This poll was also partially done before jobs numbers came out Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #10
Rasmussen Johnny2X2X Feb 2012 #11
The Razzies? Boombaby Feb 2012 #14
That's why Daniels, Rubio, Ryan, Christie, Thune are not in the race underpants Feb 2012 #19
Generally poll questions are supposed to be rotated. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2012 #12
Who is advising Romney's campaign anyway? Botany Feb 2012 #13
What is this, the "Always let them see you sweat" rule? BeyondGeography Feb 2012 #15
only explanation is his internal polling is much worse so he's going for sympathy vote Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #16
"The Question Came... On the Road Feb 2012 #17
Thanks; thought it might have been. elleng Feb 2012 #20
I would agree if he produced his own polling showing a different result - yellowcanine Feb 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author rocktivity Feb 2012 #18
The correct answer: "The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day" Alexander Feb 2012 #21
So Willard why don't you show us your poll which has you doing much better? yellowcanine Feb 2012 #22

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
3. Gingrich will use the poll
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:46 PM
Feb 2012

And I think he should. I almost feel sorry for Bomby McGingrich as I think the Republican establishment is trying to eliminate anyone who isn't "mittens." This is the first year in the last thirty plus years where everyone decided that S.Carolina wasn't as important as Florida.


If Gingrich wins then he loses in the generals by scaring off moderates(yay!)

If Romney wins then he loses in the generals by trying to woo moderates and the ultra right wing at the same time (hooray!)

Personally for down ticket damage I would have preferred Bachman, but what the hell.... these clowns should finish off their brand either way.

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
2. Snip taken from the article...
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:45 PM
Feb 2012
"Americans told the Post by a 2 to 1 margin that the more they hear about Romney, the less they like him."

So Mitt will be in the 20 % area around election day. LOL

Mz Pip

(27,451 posts)
9. Have there been any polls
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:01 PM
Feb 2012

showing him beating Obama outside the margin of error? No mastter how many time Romney tries tio reinvent himself and his positions people don't believe him. He's one of the most unauthentic personalities in politics today.

 

Obama3_16

(157 posts)
10. Poor Romney. This poll was also partially done before jobs numbers came out
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:06 PM
Feb 2012

So even if they have a new poll saying Romeny looks like a male model for JC Penney and seems like a great guy to serve on your local HOA board prior to asking if people would vote for him or Obama, he's probably still going to lose ground in the next one.

heheheh.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
11. Rasmussen
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:07 PM
Feb 2012

What about the Right leaning poll Rasmussen? It had the lead at 7 points. Romney stand very little chance and he knows it.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
19. That's why Daniels, Rubio, Ryan, Christie, Thune are not in the race
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 07:40 PM
Feb 2012

They all know that it is going to be next to impossible to beat Obama himself, his money, and his organization.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,033 posts)
12. Generally poll questions are supposed to be rotated.
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:10 PM
Feb 2012

Still Romney's numbers heave been trending this way in other polls.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
13. Who is advising Romney's campaign anyway?
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:10 PM
Feb 2012

The Romney camp says nothing then the story about this poll goes
away in a few news cycles but when they call attention to it becomes more
of news story.

Mitt, let me run your campaign I'll do it cheap and it doesn't matter who runs
your campaign anyway because you are gonna lose this election in a landslide
w/ the only question being just how big Obama's margin of victory will be.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
15. What is this, the "Always let them see you sweat" rule?
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:14 PM
Feb 2012

Fer chrissakes, it's a freakin' poll in early February. Snicker and ignore.

Bunch of rookies.

 

Obama3_16

(157 posts)
16. only explanation is his internal polling is much worse so he's going for sympathy vote
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:41 PM
Feb 2012

since GOP standard line has been to attack media, polling, objective fact, science....it only stands to reason. He will question everything not in his favor, and a bunch of lunkheads will believe him.

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
17. "The Question Came...
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 06:44 PM
Feb 2012
...after a series of queries referencing various recent stories surrounding Romney, including whether voters think his wealth is a positive or negative, whether they think he did more to create or cut jobs at Bain Capital, whether they feel his 14% tax rate is fair, and whether his Mormon religion affects their views of his candidacy.


I have to say I agree that that constitutes a push-poll and the results should be taken with a grain of salt. You certainly can't compare it to a poll taken without those questions.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
23. I would agree if he produced his own polling showing a different result -
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:43 PM
Feb 2012

complete with the questions asked of course. But he doesn't. Why is that? Surely his campaign is already doing some national polling.

Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

 

Alexander

(15,318 posts)
21. The correct answer: "The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day"
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:15 PM
Feb 2012

Most politicians, when confronted with unflattering polls, are able to pretend like they either don't pay attention to or don't care about the polls - even if they do.

The fact that Romney's campaign is whining about polling methodology shows quite clearly that he does pay attention to and does care about the polls. This is a rookie mistake, and it suggests that Romney's campaign is amateurish at best.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
22. So Willard why don't you show us your poll which has you doing much better?
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:40 PM
Feb 2012

Take your time. We don't mind waiting.

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