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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 09:35 PM Feb 2012

Obama up big in Michigan




Michigan is looking more and more like it won't be in the swing state column this fall. PPP's newest poll there finds Barack Obama leading the entire Republican field by double digits.


The biggest surprise in the numbers might be how badly Obama is beating Mitt Romney- he leads him by 16 points at 54-38. That's a major departure from PPP's previous 3 Michigan President polls, which found Obama ahead by only 4-7 points. Romney's seen a major decline in his personal favorability in the state over the last 6 months from 39/43 to now 29/58. His numbers have dropped across the board but the most striking shift is with independents. He's gone from a +14 spread with them at 48/34 to a -20 one at 32/52.

52% of Michigan voters support the bailout of the auto industry when they look back on it to 36% opposed. With that majority who support it, Romney's favorability is 19/75 and he trails Obama 81-15. 62% of Republican voters oppose the bailout to only 24% supportive so that issue may not hurt Romney too much in the primary, but his stance could take the state off the board for him in November.

The strongest Republican candidate in Michigan is actually Rick Santorum, who trails Obama by only 11 points at 50-39. Our recent polling has been punching some holes in Romney's electability argument. National numbers we released yesterday showed Santorum a couple points stronger than Romney, and when you average out our last 5 battleground state polls in Michigan, North Carolina, Missouri, Ohio, and Minnesota there's no difference between Romney and Santorum's strength against Obama.

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Obama up big in Michigan (Original Post) kpete Feb 2012 OP
I admit that this is very nitpicky, but... MarianJack Feb 2012 #1
I put forth the same complaint in the other MI thread. Since when is MI "swing"? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #6
Desperately trying to make this a contest. MarianJack Feb 2012 #9
MI is more of a swing state than many realize JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #24
We are speaking of presidential elections. MI is not a swing state when it comes to presidential Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #29
Don't I know it! JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #31
Whenever our side gets complacent. calimary Feb 2012 #30
I hope we don't get complacent. We have a long way to go. I still do not think MI is a swing state. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #33
Minnesota? I thought this thread was about Michigan. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #13
Look at the last paragraph. MarianJack Feb 2012 #15
When a state elects a GOP Governor (MI=Snyder), it's reasonable ... TahitiNut Feb 2012 #17
Good one... MarianJack Feb 2012 #19
Didn't Dumbya take Michigan in 2000? TahitiNut Feb 2012 #20
no, Gore got Michigan JI7 Feb 2012 #21
The last time Michigan went red was in 1984. MarianJack Feb 2012 #27
not really, it's like Saying California, Mass, New York JI7 Feb 2012 #22
Romney should be believing in Karma just about now and mercymechap Feb 2012 #2
Only Dick Cheney lovers want Obama cyberspirit Feb 2012 #3
Sound like something Lyndon LaRouche douchebags would say bluestateguy Feb 2012 #10
Yup, LaRouchies were looking for sigs at a fruit market in Dearborn last summer Bozita Feb 2012 #14
But why? cyberspirit Feb 2012 #18
or a certain cadre of DUers. JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #25
they are like a cult, they always have the current Pres with the hitler mustache thing JI7 Feb 2012 #23
Romney's over in Michigan jimlup Feb 2012 #4
Yup. MichiganVote Feb 2012 #7
Romney come out today and said he would fight unions . sarcasmo Feb 2012 #5
We already have that. We're not Massachusetts and we're done w/republicans. MichiganVote Feb 2012 #8
The real answer to Romney's "electability" is that NO ONE is electable versus Obama in 2012. Alexander Feb 2012 #11
Spot on Johnny2X2X Feb 2012 #26
Thank goodness. Tripod Feb 2012 #12
I'm still voting for either Gingrich or Santorum on the 28th Bozita Feb 2012 #16
Romney ended his chances with his anti-auto industry stance Faygo Kid Feb 2012 #28
Swing state or not Gringostan Feb 2012 #32

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
1. I admit that this is very nitpicky, but...
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 09:44 PM
Feb 2012

...Minnesota has gone blue in every Presidential election since 1976 and in all but one since 1960. That's 12 of 13 elections and 9 straight.

But it's a swing state. OK. Please don't get me wrong on this. I have no problem with the rethugs pissing away money on a likely hopeless cause. I don't see us being so stupid as to look on states like Utah or Wyoming as swing states though.

PEACE!

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
6. I put forth the same complaint in the other MI thread. Since when is MI "swing"?
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 10:32 PM
Feb 2012

The Corporate Media does this every four years: NJ, PA and now MI are swing states?!??!?! Get the fuck out of here!!

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
24. MI is more of a swing state than many realize
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 09:14 AM
Feb 2012

Sure, we have gone blue for many of the presidential races but we work really hard to do it. This state is by no means strong blue. We have only two statewide positions held by Dems and those are our Senators. The R's hold the Gov., House & Senate, SoS, AG. To look at our current roster of elected officials you would think we were some blood red state right now. It's that bad.

So yes, we can assume MI is "safe" in the blue column at our own risk.

Julie

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
29. We are speaking of presidential elections. MI is not a swing state when it comes to presidential
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:18 AM
Feb 2012

contests. I hear you about lower offices though, which is why I am so passionate about us progressives working hard to elect more of us to local, state and congressional offices.

It is absolutely unacceptable that Michigan voters allowed Snyder to be elected over Virg Bernero. Just absolutely disgusting!

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
31. Don't I know it!
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:55 AM
Feb 2012

But of course Snyder ran ads for a year and the fix was definitely in. I remember when the Free Press printed it's endorsements. I read the articles on both candidates and did not have to read the endorsements, the articles made it VERY clear they were pushing Snyder.

And yeah, MI has gone blue in Prez races for a long time. It is by no means "safe" and we work very, very hard to make it happen. I think those who automatically assume MI will go blue and requires no effort are very wrong.

Julie

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
33. I hope we don't get complacent. We have a long way to go. I still do not think MI is a swing state.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 10:32 PM
Feb 2012

OH? Yes. MI? No.

We need to work on local, state and congressional races in addition to the presidency.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
17. When a state elects a GOP Governor (MI=Snyder), it's reasonable ...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 01:02 AM
Feb 2012

... to call it a "swing" state. Personally, I'd rather the term "swing" be reserved for more pleasurable activities, but ....

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
19. Good one...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 09:41 AM
Feb 2012

..."more pleasurable activities".

Michigan, to the best of my knowledge, never voted for a republican presidential nominee while John Engler was governor.

PEACE!

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
27. The last time Michigan went red was in 1984.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:47 PM
Feb 2012

Losing Michigan is one of the reasons cited for John Engler never getting a job in george w moron's cabinet.

Lucky son of a gun, that Engler!

PEACE!

JI7

(89,251 posts)
22. not really, it's like Saying California, Mass, New York
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 02:18 AM
Feb 2012

are swing states when they had people like Arnold, Pataki, Romney as gov.

mercymechap

(579 posts)
2. Romney should be believing in Karma just about now and
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 09:49 PM
Feb 2012

it's okay that Santorum is leading Romney in Michigan, he still trails Obama. And I doubt that the rest of the country will put up with Santorum's extreme right views - geez, "contraceptives being bad for our nation" - is he for real?

cyberspirit

(67 posts)
3. Only Dick Cheney lovers want Obama
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 09:56 PM
Feb 2012

Walked past a tea party "Obama is Hitler" booth on the way in to a Michigan post office today. When they asked me whether or not I wanted to join their impeach Obama crusade I said absolutely not. So they yelled "You must love Dick Cheney because only Dick Cheney lovers want to keep Obama in office". What was that all about? Dick Cheney - Obama? How does that compute?

Bozita

(26,955 posts)
14. Yup, LaRouchies were looking for sigs at a fruit market in Dearborn last summer
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 11:30 PM
Feb 2012

Their big sign said "Impeach Obama."

JI7

(89,251 posts)
23. they are like a cult, they always have the current Pres with the hitler mustache thing
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 02:20 AM
Feb 2012

i ignored them even when Bush was in office .

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
4. Romney's over in Michigan
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 10:08 PM
Feb 2012

As a long time resident I can tell you that people here pay attention to the auto industry and the bailout is pretty popular. Now that folks realize that Romney opposed - he is toast despite his roots here.

 

Alexander

(15,318 posts)
11. The real answer to Romney's "electability" is that NO ONE is electable versus Obama in 2012.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 10:52 PM
Feb 2012

The economy is showing signs of improvement, Obama can point to many different foreign policy victories, and most voters find Obama to be personally likeable and trustworthy - which also means that even though most people still think we are on the wrong track, they don't necessarily hold Obama responsible for that.

Add a group of completely uncharismatic and extremist group of Republican candidates, three of whom have not been elected to anything in over 5 years, and it's pretty clear that 2012 is a lost cause for the Republicans.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
26. Spot on
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 10:58 AM
Feb 2012

This is what I've been telling people too. Obama is a strong candidate who is getting stronger. It doesn't matter who the Republicans run, Obama is going to win. I also agree that the general public blames the Republicans more than Obama for the direction of the Country.

Bozita

(26,955 posts)
16. I'm still voting for either Gingrich or Santorum on the 28th
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 11:39 PM
Feb 2012

My recycle bin is gonna be overflowing with glossy mailers from the GOP later this year.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
28. Romney ended his chances with his anti-auto industry stance
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:52 PM
Feb 2012

Santorum is nuts, Gingrich is done. The GOP is imploding.

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