Government shutdown: John Boehner: ‘There’s going to be a negotiation’
Source: Politico
Speaker John Boehner said President Barack Obamas desire to negotiate after the debt ceiling is lifted and government is funded amounts to unconditional surrender by Republicans.
The message, delivered outside the speakers office on Tuesday afternoon as a response to Obamas earlier press conference, does not bode well for solving the government shutdown or debt default this week.
Boehner called on Democrats either in the Senate or White House to begin negotiations Tuesday. Democrats said government must be funded and the debt ceiling must be hiked before talks start.
The long and short of it is theres going to be a negotiation, Boehner said. The only way this is going to happen is to in fact have a conversation
.the conversation ought to start today.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-debt-limit-house-senate-97982.html?hp=t2_s
I guess he's not "playing games" anymore.....
Buddha_of_Wisdom
(373 posts)The extreme minority is damaging the country and he KNOWS it. He's holding America hostage, and SEAL team needs to be sent in and remove the baggers and thrown into a mental institution for doctors to do determination that these people are legally insane and cannot function as a Representative of the United States.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,311 posts)They always tell citizens to report extortion to local authorities or the FBI
Making these tactics visible and ostensibly legal is going to send quite a message
to Americans
"I'm not going to pay my electric bill until you knock $20 off!"
"I want more fries before I pay - that box there is kind of skimpy."
The possibilities are endless, the result is sheer chaos.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)That is how they do business.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)to GOP demands.
Should the POTUS go in that direction?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)to these things, we will continue to do so in the future. On what legal grounds would we arrest anyone on the right? Last I looked there are no sedition laws despite New Gingrich wanting to revive the 1917 Sedition Act. Please, lay out for me how the warrant will be drawn up.
Love your screen name, by the way.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)One could argue that if the leadership of the GOP fails to allow a vote on CR, as there seems to be enough Republican votes for its passage, and they willfully allow this country to default...bringing about financial chaos then they would be in violation of their oath of office. If they crash the economy then they could very well be bringing about bad times to equal 2008.
What good is taking an oath to uphold the constitution while your intent is to ignore it for the sake of one's political party and their collective egos? Doing so will put them at odds with their constitutionally elected duties as stewards of the same constitution.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/10/07/why-the-14th-amendment-matters-in-the-debt-ceiling-crisis/
Sorry for the info dump, and it is CNN, but I thought it was relevant.
The last paragraph says the most, but the previous ones give context.
So how would I draw up a warrant? I wouldn't. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure if a default happens there will be plenty of lawyers that would consider giving it a shot; especially if they lose their shirts in a heavy economic downturn.
TY about the screen name.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)impeachable offense. Only the House can offer articles of impeachment (the Senate and Chief Justice of the SCOTUS try the case). These alleged crimes are being committed by public officials acting in their public capacity, thus the usual criminal justice system is held in abeyance until an impeachment and conviction occur.
So how do you propose to get the GOP to impeach its own people? And if you could, a conviction in the Senate is a long shot.
In my opinion, Obama has the power under the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling. I think if push comes to shove he, will act under that authority. If he does, he will be impeached by the House GOP and acquitted in the Senate (that is a dead certainty in my view).
cristianmarie533
(51 posts)But in reality this drunkard fool will remain in office. Oh well, one can dream...
mac56
(17,574 posts)Exactly so.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)PuffedMica
(1,061 posts)We won the election (twice) and our President is in charge here. The obstructionist Republicans are endangering both the economic health and the National Security of this Nation.
If the Republicans refuse to pass a clean CR and then pass a negotiated budget along the lines the President wants, they should be arrested and confined while the Democrats fix the problems.
kiranon
(1,727 posts)plan. Welcome to Iraq - debt ceiling style. It's time to gracefully withdraw, put forth a clean CR and raise the debt ceiling and go on to fight another day. Do it in the name of the veterans, cancer patients, children and so on to make it look like they are making the sacrifice for the good of the country/veterans/women/children/God. Create another ribbon they can paste everywhere to honor their sacrifice. Maybe dough rising on a field of green.
reflection
(6,286 posts)I can't wait to see him negotiate his way to the car late tonight, dropping his keys several times and muttering about "debt sheelingsh."
munster69
(107 posts)Like dirty Harry did.
You just made my day with that remark, munster69!
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)Boehner is in a tough position and has to decide between his job as speaker and his country. So far, Boehner is protecting his job and its perks at the expense of our country
TBF
(32,102 posts)What an ego ....
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)Obama and Biden both resigned and told Johnny to have fun dealing with this shit and see how you like it.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)benld74
(9,910 posts)have taken place 5 months ago, when the DEMS were pleading with the GOP to got to comittee with the House and Senate budgets PRIOR to voting on them.
BUT, the GOP had other ideas.
This is where we are now. AND it is BECAUSE of the GOP.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)who`s going to pick up his bar tab?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)ltheghost
(37 posts)Why is Boehner coming off like a scorned ex girlfriend? He has been talking all week about having a conversation with Obama..lol.... He probably wants a seafood dinner too. I can't wait for the Republicans to turn on him when he caves. Hello Speaker Cantor.
Owl
(3,644 posts)SammyBrown
(22 posts)Have any House speakers ever been impeached?
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)To remove the President, Vice President or Federal judges. Members of Congress are secure in their jobs although the can bring ethics charges against members and pressure can be applied that forces them to resign. But as the case of Sen. Vitters (R-LA) shows you can frequent prostitutes and still get re-elected.
They_Live
(3,241 posts)don't think of it as "Unconditional surrender by Republicans", just think of it as being strong enoughtto admit the fact that you LOST. Twice. At least.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)As Obama started to speak the Dow was down nearly 140 points. As he concluded his press conference the Dow bounced back to where it was only down 95 points. Then John Boehner spoke and the Dow closed down 160. One assumes the American peoples sentiments pretty much mirrored the trade activity on the Dow. Obama gave hope and Boehner dumped cold water on that hope. And the Republicans think they are winning the PR battle with the American people. How delusional of them.
kelly1mm
(4,735 posts)So, are you arguing that the President dumped cold water on the markets? That since " One assumes the American peoples sentiments pretty much mirrored the trade activity on the Dow" that the R's are winning the PR battle?
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Obama was scheduled to speak at 2:00PM http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/10/08/at-obamas-press-conference-wheres-the-accountability/ This post has retweets in the 2:20 to 2:40 timeline so he may not have started until about 2:15.
Here is Dow chart showing late bump before plunging 60 points in the last 35 minutes. http://t.money.msn.com/investing/stock-price?symbol=$INDU
Now I wasn't paying close attention to when during the press conference I first observed the Dow. My recollection was the Dow was down 137 but the chart shows it must have been down 127 instead. I was shocked when it was down in the upper 90's several minutes later, confirmed by the chart. So the bounce was 30 points rather than 40 points. Big deal.
I could not find a timeline on when Boehner spoke but I'm sure it was not over an hour after Obama finished. I had a phone call as Sam Stein was asking his question so I had a several minute gap and when I came back it was only a couple of minutes before Boehner stepped up to the mike. I did find a write-up on Boehners presser that was filed at 4:38 so it is almost certain that Boehner had finished before 4:30.
kelly1mm
(4,735 posts)Your entire post was based on what the markets did based on your assertion that the markets reacted favorably to the President's speach and unfavorably to Bohner's comments. The markets were closed when Bohner spoke. Thus, your assertions make no sense.
Just so you know here is a google hit:
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Speaker of the House of Representatives John Boehner will make a statement at 4:30 p.m. ET on Tuesday, aides said, apparently to respond to President Barack Obama's news conference earlier in the day that focused on their stalemate on fiscal issues.
Boehner renewed his call for negotiations on Tuesday, while Obama said he would be willing to talk with the speaker once Congress reopens the government and raises the debt limit."
http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-statement-fiscal-crisis-201610881--business.html
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)sitting down at a table and the President (or Reid) offering him a paper with a big fat "zero" on it and telling him that negotiations are now concluded.