Oklahoma Republican’s bill would block same-sex marriage by stopping ALL marriages
Source: Raw Story
Oklahoma Republicans bill would block same-sex marriage by stopping ALL marriages
By David Ferguson
Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:17 EST
A Republican lawmaker in Oklahoma has proposed a controversial way to stopping same-sex marriages in the state. According to News9.com, state Rep. Mike Turner (R) has proposed scrapping marriage in the state altogether.
The lawmaker contends that it is the only way to keep same-sex marriage illegal in the state while still defending the U.S. Constitution.
(My constituents are) willing to have that discussion about whether marriage needs to be regulated by the state at all, Turner told Channel 9.
Other lawmakers feel the same way, he said. They envision a state that doesnt recognize any marriages at all.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/25/oklahoma-republicans-bill-would-block-same-sex-marriage-by-stopping-all-marriages/
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)If they do this, maybe this case would make it to the Supreme Court and this time the SC will do the right thing and make all marriage legal.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)al_liberal
(420 posts)How the fuck are they going to explain to their dipshitted constituents that nothing will lawfully become the property of the survivor if one partner dies? How about dealing with the end of life directives? How about property ownership?
These fucking people are the very definition of idiots. god bless them if that's their plan, they'll destroy marriage in any form in the US.
former9thward
(32,004 posts)Contracts can be made for anything. End of life directives have nothing to do with marriage. Why are progressives suddenly defending most conservative institution of all?
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)to a person you choose, the simplest, cheapest, and most reliable way possible, and it should be universal, for same sex or opposite sex couples.
Other methods are more expensive, less reliable, and less recognized, and hence, less universal, than marriage, its as simple as that.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I personally find marriage equality a civil rights issue, and I;m going to leave it there.
It's NOT a conservative institution.
New Orleans Strong
(212 posts)Don't you DARE say that advanced directives - even those signed and fucking having a raised seal - are EVEN considered in Louisiana. Please don't even say it. Please. The story is too sad -
Fearless
(18,421 posts)You are right in that contracts can protect assets. However, those assets will be subject to legal pursuit by family members and taxation based on state laws.
In reality it has to do with much much more than this however. And in this you are staggeringly wrong. It has to do with two things:
1.) Marriage inequality is unconstitutional. It is treating some group of people as second class citizens.
2.) Marriage is NOT a conservative institution. It has been perverted by conservative groups to attain power. Power over women. Marriage has existed LONG before Christianity. Long before American conservatism and the rise of religious Puritanism and fanaticism. LONG BEFORE.
The idea of marriage is this:
Two people are validated in their love for each other by their friends, families, and the world at large. Denying anyone that validation is wrong. Ethically, morally, constitutionally, and legally. To us it signifies a huge benchmark in the effort to be accepted by society.
former9thward
(32,004 posts)State sponsored marriage is very recent historically. It does not exist before Christianity. Marriage licences starting being issued in the 1600s. Before that a public declaration by a couple that they were married was accepted.
Don't try and make a strawman by bringing up marriage inequality. I am talking about state sponsored marriage no matter who it is between.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)They were state or "community" sponsored.
They also existed in Egypt.
I don't have my history wrong. I actually have a degree in it.
the repuke party is fast becoming a BAD JOKE ! Or a new disease : bacterium republicanum ,or serial dementia .
elleng
(130,895 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)burn the country down around us all if they thought there was a chance of you winning, take a look at this.
If they don't get their way they think everyone should just be dead. And they have not a moment's hesitation about it, regardless of how small or large the "thing" is. No different from the person that blow themselves up to kill complete strangers, as is anyone who works in a bipartisan fashion with them.
That's why it's so easy for things like this to come out of their mouths - it's a window into their soul.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Very perceptive...
This is why they really ARE American terrorists.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)their minds. They are totally fucked up and dangerous in so many ways. This, is just one more example.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.
― Cicero
lunasun
(21,646 posts)stg81
(351 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)If they're so pro-marriage, why don't they make divorce illegal???
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Go figure.
BTW, there was interesting article from the Huffington Post about the irony of red state divorce rates:
'Red' States Have Higher Divorce Rates Than 'Blue' States, And Here's Why
Posted: 01/21/2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/21/divorce-study_n_4639430.html
It may seem counterintuitive, but divorce rates are higher in religiously conservative "red" states than "blue" states, despite a Bible-based culture that discourages divorce.
In a new study titled "Red States, Blue States, and Divorce: Understanding the Impact of Conservative Protestantism on Regional Variation in Divorce Rates," which will be published later this month in the American Journal of Sociology, demographer and University of Texas at Austin professor Jennifer Glass set out to discover why divorce rates would be higher in religious states like Arkansas and Alabama -- which boast the second and third highest divorce rates, respectively -- but lower in more liberal states like New Jersey and Massachusetts.
It was previously thought that socioeconomic hardships in the South were largely to blame for high divorce rates, however Glass and her fellow researchers concluded that the conservative religious culture is in fact a major contributing factor thanks to "the social institutions they create" that "decrease marital stability."
Specifically, putting pressure on young people to marry sooner, frowning upon cohabitation before marriage, teaching abstinence-only sex education and making access to resources like emergency contraception more difficult all result in earlier childbearing ages and less-solid marriages from the get-go, Glass writes in the paper.... MORE
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Batshit insane actually.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)party. In some ways it's convenient as they collectively demonstrate over and over again what a deranged and delusional party the republican party is. Frankly, I think it's a form of mental illness, yet stated as such. Short of that, it's evident many are misfiring on more than a few cylinders.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)quakerboy
(13,920 posts)In theory that could leave open the door for all or none, and he is claiming none is preferable to some. Roughly equivalent to doing away with public restrooms rather than integrating them for whites and nonwhites.
My guess is he is not actually for his proposal, but just trying to provoke a reaction among his constituents.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)The state will pretend that the legal designation of marriage doesn't exist any more? It will amend all laws that impinge on the rights and responsibilities of married people? It will amend all child custody laws? Tax laws? Inheritance laws? No marriages from other states will be recognized as valid, and will be considered null-and-void in OK?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)really doesn't matter, It will just add to the F'ed-up-ness of OK.
weissmam
(905 posts)barbtries
(28,793 posts)that's gonna fly.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)since Holy Matrimony is only performed in a church before god. ALL civil marriages are not real marriages anyway; gay or straight.
Do some research, or trolling, and you will hear this.
former9thward
(32,004 posts)the most ultra-conservative institution society has. I remember when feminists called marriage legalized rape. How far we have regressed. At least some of us.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Are you defending this tripe?
former9thward
(32,004 posts)Do you?
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I defend equality under the law. Either you are being purposefully obtuse or you are against equality.
former9thward
(32,004 posts)For everybody. It is none of the state's business. You defend a conservative practice.
Ahpook
(2,750 posts)They just throw the BS out to see what sticks.
rurallib
(62,414 posts)Let people do what they want in drawing up commitments to each other and get the government out of the interpersonal relations business. Marriage is mostly a religious institution anyway, at least in my opinion.
I saw a lecture many moons ago that stated the first state to regulate marriage was Alabama after the civil war. I think you can figure out why.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Twitching, convulsing, gasping......
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)which could then by recognized their church of their choice if they wish?
rocktivity
stg81
(351 posts)If you want a church marriage - go for it. But the government should ignore it. The only marriage that should be recognized by the government is a civil union between two people - get a license at the courthouse.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)be done for legal affairs. Then, as a separate path, they can go off and do the marriage and religion bit only if wanted.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The pastor or priest fills out the form for the civil wedding and files it according to state law, but no one is required to have the religious wedding.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)about the religious part.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)We were married by a shaman. Perfectly legal.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)No? Okay, just another nutty Republican, who lately are out-Onioning The Onion.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Burf-_-
(205 posts)BAM... my own home state.... out stupids them.... Gotta love that red river rivalry... GO SOONERS !! ....
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)problems and allow them to have their totally fucked up state. We don't even drive through Oklahoma, we drive around it.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Rah rah sisk boom bah! No more Momma no more Pa! Oklahoma blah blah blah!
watoos
(7,142 posts)they are drinking frack water.
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)niyad
(113,302 posts)of course, if all marriages are banned, that means no adultery, no illegitimate children, no marital rape exceptions, domestic violence treated as actual assault, etc., etc., yes??
guess marriage counselors, divorce attorneys, etc., would all have to find new lines of work. and what will that mean for wedding planners, wedding dress companies, bakeries, florists, not to mention city coffers?
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)Also, no divorce, a complete redefinition of custody issues, property concerns, etc.
But an end to marriage as a legal device doesn't end it as a social or religious custom. Baptisms and first communion and babys first snake handling all still go on unabated. Those jobs are fairly safe, I think.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/tea-party-gop-candidate-rand-paul-rails-against-same-sex-marriage/politics/2010/10/16/13853
Rand Paul Wants To Abolish Department Of Education So Kids Dont Have To Learn About Two Mommies
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/10/15/124465/paul-kids-moms/
This is another rant about Paul's views on gays, and everything.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/add-same-sex-marriage-to-the-list-of-things-rand-paul-doesnt-understand/
This link ncludes a *wonderful* video with Bryan Fischer's show! They sound almost reasonable. Bring the barf bag anyway.
Another video I posted on Fischer's support for Duck Dynasty shows Fischer's true love is Libertarianism. He began with a few Bible verses, waxed orgasmic on Libertarianism and then approved of Duck Dynasty's views.
The only links I can find that explain Rand Paul's method to deny gays the right to marriage are from RW sites, Rush, Freeperville, Fox. The plan is to keep marriage out of the tax code.
But you can see the background on what this man thinks and is doing. He's well schooled in his father's views, a full libertarian corporatist, but will get support among many who say they are liberal, I guess.
His ideas are from the Victorian era and will end democracy world wide. The only freedoms will be for the wealthy. He showed his desire for private militias in a video I posted, too. Sickening.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)a journey into a horrific land whose boundaries are that of irrational thought. That's the signpost up ahead; your next stop...the Republican Zone.
(my apologies to Rod Serling)
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Oh...and some really sharp scissors too.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Dear Rep. Turner.
Are you fucking nuts?
Love, Mary.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater 1988)
area51
(11,908 posts)to a whole new level.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Impressive.
tanyev
(42,556 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Paladin
(28,257 posts)Learn for yourself how powerful, money-drenched, and well-connected the Wedding Industry is, even in Oklahoma.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Don't know who he thinks he will sell that too.