Russian troops poised to 'run' into Moldova, Nato commander warns
Source: Telegraph
Fears that Russia could seize a second chunk of territory in eastern Europe grew on Sunday after Nato's top commander warned that Moscow's troops were poised to move into a pro-Russian enclave of Moldova.
US Air Force General Philip Breedlove said that Russian troops massing on the eastern border of Ukraine were well-positioned to head to Transdniester, a Russian-speaking enclave that has declared independence from the rest of Moldova.
Transdniester's people have long sought closer ties with Moscow, and to this day, the streets of the capital, Tiraspol, are decked out with statues of Lenin and other symbols of the Soviet Union.
Gen Breedlove said it would give President Vladimir Putin the perfect pretext to send troops in there as a "protection" force for ethnic Russians, just as he has done with his military annexation of Crimea.
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/moldova/10717260/Russian-troops-poised-to-run-into-Moldova-Nato-commander-warns.html
The dictator is running amok
pscot
(21,024 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They want the Cold War back(and they probably want the Raj back, but they can't quite say it).
They constantly defend and spread snobbery, bigotry, anti-immigrant hysteria.
They bash gays, women, POC, the disabled, the poor, the Celts(they had a lot to do with spreading the prejudice against
"gingers"-people with red hair-as a way of spreading covert hatred against the Scots, the Welsh, and the Irish).
If Delores Umbridge was a Muggle, she would edit the Telegraph.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)go west young man
(4,856 posts)'run into or over', 'poised' ,'stormed', 'on the brink of', 'aggression', 'amassing'....pure media BS just like Iraq. It's much more likely these small pro Russia provinces will hold referendums and decide to join with Russia on their own accord. It's amazing watching our media work so hard to spin this shit.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Russian forces gathering on the border with eastern Ukraine may be poised to invade, the White House warned on Sunday, as the government in Kiev said that the prospect of war with Moscow was continuing to grow after the annexation of Crimea.
Speaking after Nato's top commander in Europe voiced alarm about the size and preparedness of the Russian troop buildup, President Barack Obama's deputy national security adviser, Tony Blinken, said President Vladimir Putin may indeed be readying further action.
It's deeply concerning to see the Russian troop buildup on the border, Blinken told CNN. It creates the potential for incidents, for instability. It's likely that what they're trying to do is intimidate the Ukrainians. It's possible that they're preparing to move in.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/russian-troops-may-invade-ukraine-white-house
That is load of old bollocks. Russia had already said they welcomed international inspection. Ukraine was also invited to take reconnaissance pictures under the Ukraine/Russia open skies agreement but that is chargeable under the agreement and Ukraine asked if they could owe the money - Russia told them to fuck off not surprisingly.
Moscow: No troop build-up or undeclared military activity near Ukraine borders.
Russia is observing all international agreements on troop limits in regions bordering Ukraine, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said, adding that foreign missions inspections can confirm that.
The statement was made in response to reports by several foreign media outlets over concentrations of "thousands" of Russian servicemen on the Russian-Ukrainian border.
By the way this issue has during the last month been regularly raised in telephone conversations between Russias Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, and his foreign counterparts, including US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and even acting Ukrainian Defense Minister Igor Tenyukh, Anatoly Antonov, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister said.
Sergey Shoigu has, in a very transparent manner, informed all of them about the real situation on the Russian-Ukrainian border. He also stressed that Russia has no intention to concentrate troops there, Antonov said.
http://rt.com/news/russia-troops-limit-border-673/
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Got anything else other than the price of eggs ?
If Russia has got troops massed against the border then its about time some satellite pics were published with accompanying landmarks to identify the locations. In their absence reports are suspect.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)There were 3.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)What time is over there? After midnight? Already Monday?
Not feeling focused enough to really discuss this mess, though.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Search slang UK slang for egg ref. - generally means unassociated matters which in this case is anything outside of direct Russia/Ukraine situation.
7962
(11,841 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)You start an obvious "shit stirring" nonsense OP and you are surprised that folks don't agree with you?
Puleese!
uhnope
(6,419 posts)I posted this to keep the story of Putin's democracy-destroying activities alive.
As maybe the most active Putin apologist, why don't you explain yourself?
P.S. They're discussing you here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=760153
rdharma
(6,057 posts)The RW Telegraph is your "source", eh?
If it quacks like a duck...........
PS - I noted you got a recommendation from new member "Stainless". Welcome to DU, stainless!
uhnope
(6,419 posts)the Russian government so consistently? Putin's one-man march to kill democracy in Russia, his closing of TV stations, his crackdown on gays rights, and now his invasion of Crimea. WTF? Ever heard of Pussy Riot? If you're not just an official apologist, then pls explain.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Explain what? Should I explain your antagonistic "strawmen" ....really? Don't think so!
uhnope
(6,419 posts)It's not a "strawman", as many sophomoric rollers like to use that term, to ask someone to name their basic approach to progressive action and how defending Putin fits into that. You can't, and all you can do it post smilies, a truly juvenile response.
7962
(11,841 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)Crimea caper was named Victoria Nuland, who spent 5 billion dollars of America the Beautiful's money so the West could move into Crimea. Didn't work, and caused Putin to have an excuse to take over a country where Russians were getting beat up. Played right into Vlad's hands. And now Putin will make Crimea into a paradise and every former soviet bloc country large and small will be begging to join the federation.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Don't believe I support the President wholeheartedly?
Check my Journal, if you want.
Dipsydoodle isn't a one issue poster and is a good member to discuss things with, IMO.
C'mon, let's have some fun here.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)To get to Transdniester/Moldova they'd have to go through Ukraine to reach it, which would be at least as big a story.
Hence I don't see how:
can possibly make sense.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)is the Moldovan province wants to be pro Russian on their own. They want to break away after seeing all the benefits the Crimeans are getting. They've wanted to be Russian for a long time. The West wants to frame the narrative differently and portray it as Russians taking over another country so they are trying to get in front of the ball before it happens. This is the same BS thrown at the American people before Iraq by the same organizations and government actors. Breedlove is just one more neocon tool looking to make a buck in the end. As for the Telegraph, it's Englands main conservative right wing propaganda rag.
Moldova's Trans-Dniester region pleads to join Russia
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26627236
Excerpt:
Pro-Russian politicians and activists in Moldova's breakaway Trans-Dniester region have asked the Russian parliament to draft a law that would allow their territory to join Russia.
The Trans-Dniestrian appeal comes as Moscow moves towards absorbing Crimea into the Russian Federation. Ukraine, the EU and US say that move is illegal.
Russian loyalists dominate Trans-Dniester, with support from Moscow.
The region split from Moldova in a war in 1991-92, as the USSR was collapsing.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
freshwest
(53,661 posts)This historical hatreds in the region are why *some* voiced caution in adding the eastern European block into NATO.
If anything does go down that requires NATO action, and they have already been alerted and held meetings over this, the USA might have to send in forces as it did when Clinton was in office.
It's still not WW3, which the neocons want to finish their plan of destroying civil society to force their ideas on all.
Thanks very much for the map. Really puts it into perspective.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)So unless Russia is going to drop forces directly from space, they would have to violate Ukranian or Romanian airspace at the very least in order to get reinforcement troops into Transdniester.
I highly doubt Ukraine would allow this, and Romania is an EU member so no from them also.
So if Putin does try this, then maybe Merkel was correct about his state of mind.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)That would not be good in the court of world opinion since that's how the new Ukrianian government was formed.
Igel
(35,362 posts)With due regard to Bosonic, it's not Moldova that's at issue it's Transnistria, which is a little strip of land between Moldova and Ukraine.
It's sort of landlocked in that there's a narrow passageway right through the corner where the territory meets the water. Ukraine has a causeway that cuts through the water to provide geographic contiguity for its territory.
It would be possible for Russia to get troops up through/under the causeway. Just barely. They'd have to violate Ukraine's "maritime territory," so to speak.
There are already Russian troops there, BTW. Sort of. (Everything about Transnistria is "sort of", but the entire problem is simple: Russians moved there and (1) refuse to be subordinate to lesser peoples and (2) see no reason to give up their language and every reason for others to assimilate to speaking Russian. It's like English colonists in India. Few studied Hindi, Tamil, Bangla, Telugu, Malayalam. Instead they expected the natives to pick up their language. Only fascist natives would expect the opposite, esp. after the imperial power left.
That's not what the article's saying, though. The assumption is that Russia would simply say that if Transnistria needs Russia troops they'd send them through Ukraine because the territorial contiguity of Russia trumps all others. Russia has rights; others have obligations. Seems like the 3rd or 4th move in the game, after another piece or two of Ukraine, including part of the Ukraine, is first gobbled, not the second (with Crimea being Russia's first move). The game might not get that far.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)Moldova is landlocked.
Transnistria/Transdniester is also landlocked (definitely not even "sort of" landlocked if you prefer).
I may be wrong, but I also don't think Moldova would be cool about a Russian military corridor to Transnistria in the present climate.
I doubt whether Russia would further enrage the region by doing this; I view Putin as a nationalistic, cynical thug but I don't think he's stupid or deranged.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)the Russians already have troops there. Around 1,200 of them.
Have been since 1992.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)into Venice. I mean with it about to leave Rome it would be perfect timing. And he may also be considering taking over Scotland. That dern Putin.
I knew this would happen. The media loves to keep the ball rolling.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Perfect weather for taking in the outdoor cafes in the evening. Not too hot..... not too cold.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)old now. Were the people friendly when you were there?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Not only that...
Sarah Palin explains Vladimir Putin's manly qualities
by Laura Clawson - 03-04-2014
(Also, too, wrestling a bear and putting a tracking collar on a tranquilized bear accompanied by a large group of scientists are two different things.)
Sarah Palin demonstrates the dangers of only talking to people who share your world view: "People are looking at Putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil," Palin said to Fox Newss Sean Hannity on Monday night. "They look at our president as one who wears mom jeans and equivocates and bloviates."
"People" are looking at Putin and Obama this way? Like, a majority of them? Or the ones in Palin's own Facebook feed? Because in my Facebook feed, things look a little differentbut, apparently unlike Palin, I'm aware that the views of people connected with me personally are not necessarily representative of all the people everywhere.
Also, as little as I want to play into dated Cold War views, since when do muscle-flexing Republican nationalists like Palin drool over the Russian president's macho media stunts? Since when do they think the world takes said media stunts seriously as evidence of badassery rather than regarding them as largely staged photo ops? I mean, really, next is she going to tell us that because Putin's been photographed topless, people see him as the next Playboy playmate?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/04/1282005/-Sarah-Palin-explains-Vladimir-Putin-s-manly-qualities
Sarah must have grown weary of making eyes at him from her back porch. Her 2008 slogan 'Drill, baby, drill!' may have had a deeper meaning.
The campaign posters have already been made up for 2016:
See the mutual wink there? You tell me what that means...
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Yeah. That last is so surreal. So ... medieval. (There were some even weirder European alliances back then...).
freshwest
(53,661 posts)He could be the new Russian Emperor and she could finally be a real Queen, not a beauty queen, which is where she got her start, anyway. That is if the real Mrs. Putin doesn't hang her hide on the barn, that is. But yeah, they did have some particularly insenstive marriage practices back in the day for royalty. It sucked to be them.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)and you will be okay." With respect to Palin, it's ridiculous. With respect to Putin, I don't know. If he did actually come into Crimea because he feared for the Russian people there, then I have to ameliorate my negative comments about the winking. I am conflicted. I like people who are protective of their people, even it's ostensibly. Need more exposure to the former KGB guy. If he keeps acting like Robin Hood, then good. If not, different story.
Myself, I think the "drill baby drill" means she wants Putin on top of her. I don't really have incite into that stuff anymore.
Good post. Enjoyed it.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)on the list...lots of Russian already occupying them due to the lesser tax rates. And if Russians sweep into London it's all over....oh wait..what's that? They are already pretty much proping up the British real estate and financial market. Damn those commie bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)the media exaggeration of everything. I pretty much think like you in this. Jersey? I hope Christy lets him over the bridge. Those tanks won't stop for the road blocks.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)not the one with crap roads! Plus Putin himself couldn't afford those outrageous tolls.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)forgetful..
Switching to another post, which I never do, but I wanted your opinion, what do you think of this. I didn't see your name.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4713721
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Nate Silver is on the money with everything he's called so far. If Obama had fought as hard at home (for the liberal agenda he run on) as he is now for a new Cold war that will benefit the neocons, we probably wouldn't be looking at those figures and wondering why.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)for me. I think the pickup in Senate seats by the pubes will be closer to eleven than six. He keeps pushing TPP and agrees to an SS cut, we'll be looking a Republicans for 15 years, when they had a could chance of disappearing as a Party altogether. Well, have a nice dinner.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)I too was hoping we would sink the dinosaurs for good. It seems behind it all they prop each other up and keep the status quo. They don't want to change too much too fast and they want to keep their places financially (the powers that be and their representatives). They throw out small scraps of change..such as marriage equality and marijuana legalization....when the time finally suits them, but overall they want to keep things the way they are. Hence the reason people like Dennis Kucinich or Howard Dean even get shut out in primaries and debates. Those who really run the country don't want a true progressive coming in and upsetting their apple carts.
A true progressive wouldn't have us worrying about a neocon push for a new Cold War. They would have the Bush cabal on trial and in jail, as well as the banksters. They would be breaking up these media monopolies and massively penalizing corporations who offshore their taxes. Obama has spent his presidency being a centrist who will most likely be remembered for a few social changes and the chance he blew for truly putting America on a new path. One thing to add, the AFA was his finest hour...he has saved many lives with it and deserves great credit...but I also wish we had shut the insurance comapnies out of it and just steamrolled the bastards. ( The American psyche does, however, have trouble with any kind of government run programs so I understand why he went that route).
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)the dogs.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)The "Telegraph" is a RW Tory mouthpiece.
They rival Bill Kristol in the "accuracy" of their predictions.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Yay Putin!
rdharma
(6,057 posts)And so easy to spot!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)get behind a RW politician so vehemently as they do Putin.
US=Bad, Russia=Good. Whatever. Call me a paid troll (if only I got paid money to yell at people online) or what have you.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)..... with so many RW warhawks!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)But Putin is a piece of shit, and RT is a RW mouthpiece owned in whole by the Russian government.
I don't think we should go to war, and I haven't seen anyone suggest such a thing. I do, however, believe that we should be impossing the sanctions against Russia that we are, and maybe even then some.
Equating distaste for Putin and his media is in NO WAY equal to wanting war with Russia. The only one I see spouting RW talking points are those praising RT.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Hmmmm?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)That's a big one I've seen a few times. New Ukraine govt nothing but fascists. Old govt thrown out via a coup. Old govt not corrupt. Et al.
Pretty much anything from RT that disputes what was factually known.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)" New Ukraine govt nothing but fascists." - That's not quite entirely true. RW oligarchs put into power employing fascist thugs to gain power.
"Old govt thrown out via a coup." - Yup! That's pretty much the case.
" Old govt not corrupt." - When did I say that? I didn't.
Are you saying the vulture corporatist funders from the EU aren't preparing to plunder what's remaining of Ukraine?
Please tell me that's the case!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)You asked what talking points were being pushed by RT. I put them up there...
So, the right wing oligrachs kicked themselves out and put facists into power? Because the Ukranian govt was a corrupt RW govt to begin with...
Seriously, quit reading RT. It's like reading Fox News... But worse.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)are denigrating our President and first lady over EVERY thing they say. ESPECIALLY the ACA as of late. Same fucking people.
And I don't use the ignore feature because I REFUSE to live in an echo chamber.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)I never denigrated the President or the First Lady. And the ACA?
Quit with the straw man crap! Please.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)I get labeled the same way all the time and have told them about 500 times that I actually like Obama, but he is falling for the neocon agenda being driven by the same old characters he should of cleaned house with ages ago. The new Cold War will only take dollars out of other programs that are needed here like education, health, social security, retirement and such. Personally I was hoping that as Obama went into his final stretch he would finally implement all the main elelments of his original agenda. Downsize the military, direct that money to the lower echelons of society, increase taxes on the rich, rebuild the nations infrastructure, save social security, fix our broken education system, enhance green energy initiatives...you name it. Instead it seems he's worried about that same old American agenda that has screwed our country for the last 4 decades....faux freedom spreading while the 1% screw everybody. In my opinion this is all because Russia has started to become an economic threat...not an imperialist one.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)If you don't think Putin has imperial ambitions, I think you're gullible.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)ages ago. They were all technically defenseless. (pun fully intended) Instead if you check the Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce website you'll notice the entire board is made up of US neocons and oil company representatives including many Bush cronies. You have your imperialists backwards. You'll notice Thom Hartman, who is one of the best liberal media representaives in the United States, backs up my assertion. Educate yourself. We are the imperialists. Once again I give you. Are we the baddies?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-Azerbaijan_Chamber_of_Commerce
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/09/real-reason-unrest-muslim-countries-countdown-wwiii-really
uhnope
(6,419 posts)that Russia is a big innocent.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)voice in America long before RT started putting him on the air.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)And you COMPLETELY ignoring Putin and his inner circle oligarchs makes your position completely clear.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)but effecting change here at home is much better for mine and your interests..don't ya think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_territorial_acquisitions
http://www.policymic.com/articles/84135/america-is-ironically-lecturing-russia-about-not-invading-other-countries
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ivan-eland/why-is-the-united-states-_b_4935333.html
Why Is the United States So Hypocritical in Foreign Policy?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I'm broadbrushing everyone who has been quoting RT as gospel and backing Putin in this ordeal.
But, you're so vain... You probably think this post is about you.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I don't want war. But the people here falling all over themselves to prop up the Kremlin are..... just astonishing, IMO.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)go west young man
(4,856 posts)is another mans Neocon enabler.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)go west young man
(4,856 posts)if ever there was one.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Of course, nothing is impossible in the world of strategic interests, but this seems even more unprobable than the Estonian scenario that was drummed up earlier this week.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)and have since 1992.
around a thousand of them.
oh, and there are water ways to the region.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Both sides asked the Russians to come in as peacekeepers to enforce the ceasefire that ended the 1992 civil war. Since then, the Moldovan's have asked them to leave (presumably so they can resume the war), but the original agreement said that they can stay until BOTH sides request their withdrawal, and the Transnistrians have asked them to stay repeatedly.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Independent as in: Moldovan troops who go there are generally shot dead within minutes.
Back when the USSR broke up, there was a civil war in Moldova that got very violent, very quickly. The UN ceasefire ended the fighting, but never really settled the dispute. Transnistria considers itself and independent nation and has been self sufficient for decades, though no other nation in the world recognizes it as such. Moldova considers it an autonomous territory. The UN has the region on its list of "frozen conflicts" because nobody has ever been able to settle the dispute.