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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:48 PM Mar 2014

Obama Urges Putin to Back Down or Face New Sanctions

Source: Bloomberg

By Julianna Goldman, Mike Dorning and Daria Marchak Mar 25, 2014 12:14 PM ET

President Barack Obama urged Russia to de-escalate the crisis over Ukraine or face the consequences of more sanctions if it encroaches further into the east of the country after its annexation of Crimea.

President Vladimir Putin “has to understand that there’s a choice to be made here,” Obama told a news conference after a 53-nation nuclear-security summit in The Hague today, saying there’s “another path open” to the Russian leader. “It is now up to Russia to act responsibly and show itself once again willing to abide by international rules and international norms.”

Obama spoke a day after he and his fellow Group of Seven leaders said they won’t attend a planned Group of Eight summit in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi, the venue for the Winter Olympics, and will instead hold their own meeting in June in Brussels.

Russia has consolidated control over Crimea and is maintaining forces along the border with Ukraine, in what Obama said “appears to be an effort of intimidation,” in the most serious confrontation with the U.S. and its allies since the Soviet Union collapsed. The International Monetary Fund is set to make an announcement tomorrow after talks about a bailout loan for Ukraine, Finance Minister Oleksandr Shlapak said.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/obama-urges-putin-to-back-down-in-ukraine-or-face-more-sanctions.html



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Obama Urges Putin to Back Down or Face New Sanctions (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2014 OP
Are you comparing president Obama to the wolf from Three Little Pigs? (nt) Skinner Mar 2014 #1
No, the "west" in general. Guess I should remove the graphic, eh? eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #5
Good one elias7 Mar 2014 #32
maintaining forces along the border with Ukraine..... dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #2
Dipsy quit being silly and asking for proof... go west young man Mar 2014 #15
I have noticed that US media reports differ from UK media reports dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #16
Yeah I definitely noticed that... go west young man Mar 2014 #18
Putin should back down... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2014 #3
yes and the int'l community making Russia a pariah state. No more dictatorship Olympics uhnope Mar 2014 #12
Won't affect the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Moscow though. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #14
that's scandalous. Let's hope we can change that uhnope Mar 2014 #19
Maybe President Putin will sign a truce, just like President Yanukovich did? another_liberal Mar 2014 #4
"we overthrew his government" Kolesar Mar 2014 #30
President Yanukovich is the democratically elected leader of Ukraine. another_liberal Mar 2014 #31
Why why why AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #6
Unless the Western countries are ready to have a military entanglement... nyabingi Mar 2014 #7
^^^^ This!^^^^ 1000words Mar 2014 #10
+1000. We voted for Democrats and got PNAC in the State Department Catherina Mar 2014 #11
Not so much of "the mask slipped" and more of overt "So whaddya gonna do about it now?" Nihil Mar 2014 #33
my thoughts exactly lol! nyabingi Mar 2014 #35
this conspiracy theory is bogus and silly. US did not "install" the Ukrainian gov't. uhnope Mar 2014 #13
not a conspiracy theory my friend nyabingi Mar 2014 #34
vague details of the conspiracy theory do not prove the conspiracy theory uhnope Mar 2014 #36
Be interesting to see what the terms and conditions of the IMF bailout are dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #8
Maybe the first few billion will go to pay Russian gas debts? ozone_man Mar 2014 #20
I'd say that since Russia stole christx30 Mar 2014 #29
"Meanwhile, the Western dogs bark, and the Sino-Russian caravan passes." Catherina Mar 2014 #9
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz AAO Mar 2014 #17
Obama should first retore the democratically elected government. ozone_man Mar 2014 #21
Yeah, thanks for removing your stupid graphic from the "3 little pigs".. thanks to Skinner Cha Mar 2014 #22
Brown-nosing a bit? Well done, indeed...now go see if you have collected Purveyor Mar 2014 #23
Yeah, that's what you call it in your defense of your stupid graphic you got busted on.. somebody Cha Mar 2014 #24
It is what it is and misguided, I deleted but yet you had to dredge it up hours after. Just what Purveyor Mar 2014 #25
Oh, too bad I commented on it.. like I said.. the shit's getting out of control. Cha Mar 2014 #26
And I asked a question too that you failed to answer. PO eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #27
Oh boo hoo.. but cheer up Putin would have loved your graphic.. go putin. Cha Mar 2014 #28
No need to 'cheer up', I'm just shy of giddy...thank you. eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #38
Obama would seem to have two options. quadrature Mar 2014 #37

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. maintaining forces along the border with Ukraine.....
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:59 PM
Mar 2014

This keeps being referred to.

That's a 1400 mile border and I refuse to believe there are no surveillance pictures. How come none are ever published ?

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
15. Dipsy quit being silly and asking for proof...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:11 PM
Mar 2014

I know your from the UK...but in the states your supposed to trust the MSM and just take em for their word. They are never wrong about anything and would never lie to you like that propaganda outfit RT! That pesky RT that kept saying there were no WMD's in Iraq. Lying Russian communist red scaring evilempire horseback riding bare chested LGBT hating imperialist soviet swamp dwelling Russia rats who can't even hold a decent olympics!

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
16. I have noticed that US media reports differ from UK media reports
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:18 PM
Mar 2014

Lame and detached from reality come to mind. Best reports have been from BBC and Sky reporters on the spot.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
18. Yeah I definitely noticed that...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:09 PM
Mar 2014

which surprised me to be honest..as I felt the BBC had gone quite crap in the last 5 years. But their reporting on the ground was impressive..especially as American reporters don't really do investigative journalism any more (cuts into the budget I guess, got milk every penny, plus one can actually die doing it). I was thrown for a loop by the Guardians coverage which seemed to really drop the ball compared to the Guardian of the past. No investigative on the ground reporting and seeming to simply tow the line for the powers that be in the UK. They had no perspective of the other side as they used to.

In the full BBC clip the reporter is actually shot at by the Maidan sniper. It hits less than 20 feet away. They edit out the "Fuck!" for the short version. Then he takes cover and points out the window of the shooter. Great footage...unfortunately not seen in the United States.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
3. Putin should back down...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:00 PM
Mar 2014

And I hope we slap that asshole with more sanctions. Obama is right on this one. Sanctions are the way to go. Sanctions have gotten stuff done and kept us out of needless wars.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
4. Maybe President Putin will sign a truce, just like President Yanukovich did?
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:00 PM
Mar 2014

I'm sure we and our allies would be happy to guarantee such an agreement will be upheld, just like we guaranteed the truce Yanukovich signed. You know, the truce he signed twenty-four hours before we overthrew his government and replaced him as Ukrainian President with our hand-picked, Harvard-educated "technocrat."

I can't imagine why President Putin wouldn't just jump at a deal like that?

(sarcasm intended, of course)

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
30. "we overthrew his government"
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:08 AM
Mar 2014

I have seen vague references to that. I am a skeptic.
Putin's puppet was not good to Ukraine.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
31. President Yanukovich is the democratically elected leader of Ukraine.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:34 AM
Mar 2014

Our involvement in his violent overthrow is well documented in the public record. Here is only one piece, though a damning piece, of that evidence:



Any American who wants to continue living in a democracy should oppose what we have done in Ukraine.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. Why why why
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:10 PM
Mar 2014

Why are we getting into this. Argh.

What moral authority do we have to stand on for this? We gave Russia the finger before we knocked over an entire country.

Sigh.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
7. Unless the Western countries are ready to have a military entanglement...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:15 PM
Mar 2014

...with Russia, there is very little sanctions are going to do to deter Putin. We are losing sight of the fact that Putin is reacting to something the US and Eu initiated (helping install of government in Kiev hostile to Russia), now Obama and McCain are standing on television telling Putin to de-escalate? How 'bout Obama reign in Victoria Nuland and the other neo-cons he has in his State department first?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
11. +1000. We voted for Democrats and got PNAC in the State Department
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:38 PM
Mar 2014

How's that for a joke? The wife of Robert Kagan, founder of PNAC, as the Assistant Secretary of State. How's that for a joke?

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
33. Not so much of "the mask slipped" and more of overt "So whaddya gonna do about it now?"
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:47 AM
Mar 2014

> The wife of Robert Kagan, founder of PNAC, as the Assistant Secretary of State. How's that for a joke?

PNAC.

Monsanto execs.

War-hawks.

Fossil fuel corps.


It's only because the current Republicans are so right-wing that the current administration
can still retain the name "Democratic" ...

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
13. this conspiracy theory is bogus and silly. US did not "install" the Ukrainian gov't.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:41 PM
Mar 2014

You might want to check in with the people of Eastern Europe before you decide they are all just puppets for the US. They want democracy and are sick of dictators and corruption.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
34. not a conspiracy theory my friend
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:02 AM
Mar 2014

You might want to look into the work of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and its branches operating around the world working to undermine governments we deem unfriendly to our financial interests (which are called "security" issues for public consumption). The NED sponsored all of these "colored revolutions" and pretty much does the work of the CIA through aiding rebellions and funding, many time, anti-democratic people and movements.

The fact that the US Congress and Obama both are leaping over each other to offer assistance to Kiev's coup-installed government should tell you something. Don't be blind to what's going on just because you like the president.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
8. Be interesting to see what the terms and conditions of the IMF bailout are
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:29 PM
Mar 2014

and whether or not any payments will be made prior to Ukraine's presidential elections 25th May.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
20. Maybe the first few billion will go to pay Russian gas debts?
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:12 PM
Mar 2014

I'm sure Greece will be very interested to hear how austere the loans will be.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
29. I'd say that since Russia stole
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:51 AM
Mar 2014

Crimea with its billions of dollars in land, military bases and equipment, that debt is paid off, and then some.
Thieves piss me off.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
9. "Meanwhile, the Western dogs bark, and the Sino-Russian caravan passes."
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:33 PM
Mar 2014
How Crimea plays in Beijing
By Pepe Escobar

But here, in a People's Daily editorial, is what the leadership is really thinking. And the focus is clearly on the dangers of regime change, the "West's inability to understand the lessons of history", and "the final battlefield of the Cold War."

...

While the Western dogs bark

Russia and China are strategic partners - at the G-20, at the BRICS club of emerging powers and at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). Their number one objective, in these and other forums, is the emergence of a multipolar world; no bullying by the American Empire of Bases, a more balanced international financial system, no more petrodollar eminence, a basket of currencies, essentially a "win-win" approach to global economic development.

A multipolar world also implies, by definition, NATO out of Eurasia - which is from Washington's point of view the number one reason to interfere in Ukraine. In Eurasian terms, it's as if - being booted out of Afghanistan by a bunch of peasants with Kalashnikovs - NATO was pivoting back via Ukraine.

While Russia and China are key strategic partners in the energy sphere - Pipelineistan and beyond - they do overlap in their race to do deals across Central Asia. Beijing is building not only one but two New Silk Roads - across Southeast Asia and across Central Asia, involving pipelines, railways and fiber optic networks, and reaching as far as Istanbul, the getaway to Europe. Yet as far as Russia-China competition for markets go, all across Eurasia, it's more under a "win-win" umbrella than a zero-sum game.

On Ukraine ("the last battlefield in the Cold War&quot and specifically Crimea, the (unspoken) official position by Beijing is absolute neutrality (re: the UN vote). Yet the real deal is support to Moscow. But this could never be out in the open, because Beijing is not interested in antagonizing the West, unless heavily provoked (the pivoting becoming hardcore encirclement, for instance). Never forget; since Deng Xiaoping ("keep a low profile&quot this is, and will continue to be, about China's "peaceful rise". Meanwhile, the Western dogs bark, and the Sino-Russian caravan passes.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-200314.html

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
21. Obama should first retore the democratically elected government.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:14 PM
Mar 2014

Otherwise, he has no leg to stand on.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
22. Yeah, thanks for removing your stupid graphic from the "3 little pigs".. thanks to Skinner
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:17 PM
Mar 2014

for asking the question.

"Obama told a news conference after a 53-nation nuclear-security summit in The Hague today, saying there’s “another path open” to the Russian leader. “It is now up to Russia to act responsibly and show itself once again willing to abide by international rules and international norms.”

Good for President Obama and "The West".. and oh yeah, fuck Putin.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
23. Brown-nosing a bit? Well done, indeed...now go see if you have collected
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:05 AM
Mar 2014

your 'bonus points'.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
24. Yeah, that's what you call it in your defense of your stupid graphic you got busted on.. somebody
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:12 AM
Mar 2014

has to watch the out of control shit around here.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
25. It is what it is and misguided, I deleted but yet you had to dredge it up hours after. Just what
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:21 AM
Mar 2014

is your agenda other than to 'suck ass' in doing this victory lap?

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