Ukraine’s president calls for deployment of U.N. peacekeeping troops

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: Washington Post

With pro-Russian militants attacking more buildings in eastern Ukraine Monday and ignoring a government deadline to disperse, Ukraine’s acting president said he would welcome United Nations peacekeepers to help establish order by conducting a “joint counterterrorist operation” with Ukrainian forces.

A statement posted on his official Web site said President Oleksandr Turchynov raised the matter in a telephone call with U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, accusing Russia of sending “special units” to eastern Ukraine to “conduct armed seizure of the administrative buildings and threaten lives of hundreds of thousands of our citizens.” He said Russia was repeating the scenario of its takeover of Crimea least month, but he noted that the situation in eastern Ukraine is different “because the majority of people do not want to support separatists.”

Vowing to “fight back (against) terrorism and Russian aggression,” Turchynov raised the prospect of conducting a “joint operation with the U.N. peacekeeping forces” so that the world could “witness the legality” of Ukrainian forces’ actions.

“We do not object and even welcome holding of joint counterterrorist operation in the East,” Turchynov said, according to the statement. It said Ban pledged to “do everything I can for the situation to be resolved peacefully as soon as possible.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as-pro-russian-militants-ignore-deadline-ukraine-vows-to-continue-operation/2014/04/14/2f4bc1fa-c3bb-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.html

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The WP thinks the idea is a non-starter; but if Russia did veto peacekeeping troops, it would put itself on record as wanting a conflict, so I think it couldn't use its veto. The problem would be what country could send troops that would be effective, not threatened by Russian troops, and not a member of NATO - which Russia undoubtedly would object to.

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. No.

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. No, they're not fascist; no, it wasn't a coup d'etat (nt)

[PercievingBalance]

6. Ukraines politicians were not voted for by Ukranians, rather they were selected by western

politicians and imf bankers that choose them because they were the only ones willing to sell their citizens out for a seat.


MORE IMF AUSTERITY FOR UKRAINE....................NO ELECTIONS JUST TAKE WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GOLDMANS GIVES YOU.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

9. Okay, you do know there is an election scheduled for next month, right? nt

[PercievingBalance]

15. You have politicians selected by THE IMF AND WESTERN POLITICIANS

who will get to decide who can run, who gets money and airtime.

THATS NOT AN ELECTION, ITS CONTEST WITH CAREFULLY SELECTED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CHOSEN BECAUSE THEY SIDE WITH THE WEST, not because they care about Ukrainians.

Elections needed to take place, if the people wanted them, before America and the CIA decided to instigate another color revolution, like they did to get rid of Mossadegh in Iran, Gaddaffi in Libya(by the way libya now has sharia law with women and children being murdered at the whim of men).


Hey, how is Egypt btw? Saudi Arabia?? We still give these countries tons of money yet allow dictatorships.

Ukraine is being dictated to by Washington.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. Selected by the IMF and the West?

Do you have reputable evidence that actually says that, or are you just saying that because you think that to be true?

[PercievingBalance]

18. Reputable sources????? I guess Ukrainians aren't reputable to you.

You'll be hard pressed to find one Ukrainian who supports the current government, that is a Ukrainian who isn't busy screaming for the blood and murder or other Ukrainians who look or speak different than the Nationalist Nazi party.

Every time U.S. media interviews someone, they are always a member Ukraine's svoboda party, which is openly calling for the murder of Ukrainians based on their race and language.

So no, I don't have a source that you would find reliable seeing that U.S. media is controlled by the same corporations that want to rape the Ukrainian economy of resources and wealth after the IMF gets done.

And none of your sources will be acceptable either, unless of course you can show that it isn't connected to some American oligarch with an interest in extracting Ukraine's wealth.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

20. Okay, so in other words, you're just pulling it out of your ass.

Funny because I actually have Ukrainian relatives and none of them are neo-nazis or are calling for blood and murder. And none of them would share in your assessment of what happened as a "coup."

[PercievingBalance]

23. SVOBODA SHOULD BE ALL OVER THE WESTERN NEWS.

Washington is working closely WITH THE SAME NATIONALIST PARTY THAT IS CALLING FOR THE MURDER OF CERTAIN UKRAINIANS SVOBODA DOESN'T CONSIDER "PURE".

Well known fact, anyone can Google SVOBODA and find out what they are about.

THE FACT THAT NOT ONE MENTION OF THEIR PARTY OR RACIST BIGOTED MESSAGE IS EVEN MENTIONED IN THE WESTERN NEWS

MEANS

WESTERN NEWS ISN'T PUTTING DOWN FOR MY DOG TO PEE ON.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

25. Svoboda is a minority party.

Representing about 8% of the Ukrainian parliament.

The fact that you are conflating Svoboda with the Ukrainian government as a whole is Exhibit 1 of your naiveté.

[Cha]

41. Yep, the ol' pulling it out of the ass trick that doesn't seem to be working.

[LiberalEsto]

17. If people disagree with you, so be it.

People are entitled to have their own opinions about issues.

I feel as though you are not replying with reasonable counter-arguments but with LARGER AND LARGER CAPITAL LETTERS.

Or by changing the subject.

This is not an acceptable way to debate an issue in DU, in my opinion.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. Yes, they were voted for by Ukrainians

The parliament is the people who were voted in at the last election - October 2012.

Why can't you spell 'perceiving', for goodness' sake? Couldn't you have taken more care when signing up?

[PercievingBalance]

13. The officials now serving were not elected

Would you support a secretary becoming president because THE IMF LIKED THEM?

Why are you CALLING ME OUT? Isn't that against the terms dear?

The correct spelling was already taken, anyone focused on the topic at hand, rather than making this personal would have thought about that. It's the logical conclusion to come to.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. The president is 'interim'; as mentioned, there are elections next month

for president. The interim one was approved by those elected politicians you had forgot about.

In what way am I 'calling you out'? I replied to you. But, just to let you know, no, calling people out is not against the terms here.

There's no sign of a user called "perceivingbalance", so I don't think it was taken. But if you realised you were misspelling it and went ahead anyway, that's even worse.

[PercievingBalance]

21. The appointed president was not elected and has made divisive statements about who

and who isn't considered a Ukrainian, so he has basically stated that he isn't the President of Ukraine, but rather Ukrainian nationalists. And he wasn't approved by ALL THE POLITICIANS, JUST A SELECT FEW THAT WERE ABLE TO GET INTO THE MEETING WITH AMERICAN AND IMF REPRESENTATIVES, and these few were chosen because they were considered "FAVORABLE" TO WESTERN INTERESTS.

ELECTIONS??????????????? ELECTIONS DON'T MATTER NOW! THE U.S. AND IMF WILL GET TO CHOOSE WHO CAN RUN AND WHO CAN'T RUN! JUST LIKE IN LIBYA THE U.S. SEEMS HELLBENT ON MAKING SURE THE MOST RADICAL, MOST NATIONALISTIC NAZI LIKE POLITICIANS WIN........since they are kind to the WALLSTREET/WASHINGTOWN EMPIRE!

It's in the terms rather clearly, calling out or insulting.........etc. Seeing as how you seem to know all the screen names and people who log in, is it really wise for someone who has access to this kind of information to be posting on the forum as well????
Conflict of interest?

[muriel_volestrangler]

26. The interim president was elected to parliament in 2012

He is a senior member of one of the leading parties; he was previously deputy PM (for about 3 years) and briefly acting PM, and he was elected again as an MP in 2012. He was chosen by the parliament, after over half of them had voted to get rid of the previous (highly corrupt) president. 285 MPs voted for him - over half the 450 in the parliament. That was a parliamentary vote, not a 'meeting with American and IMF representatives'.

I think you need to calm down. There's no need for endless capitals, or question marks. Your middle paragraph is meaningless panic.

Tip for everyone to search to see if a username is already in use on DU: type it into the site search box at the top right. 'PerceivingBalance' (the use or non-use of capitals doesn't matter) gets no hits. You can also go to the 'My Inbox' page (top right, again), and then type in the start of a username in the 'Send DU Mail to' box. If there are partial matches, it will give you a list of members (that haven't been banned). The only user name starting 'perceiving' is 'PerceivingLife'.

No, 'calling out' is not in the terms. There's a link to them at the bottom of each page.

[PercievingBalance]

29. You keep repeating that he was elected, HE WAS NEVER ELECTED!

Here you are repeating more CORPORATE MEDIA DRIBBLE.....................

MEANWHILE EVERY COUNTRY AMERICA HAS ATTEMPTED TO DEMOCRATIZE OR TRANSFORM IS NOW FULL OF

US MADE WEAPONS DESIGNED TO BE USED AGAINST CIVIL PROTESTERS

ANY AND ALL STATE OWNED ENTERPRISES ARE BOUGHT UP BY WESTERN CORPORATIONS(ENERGY, WATER, GAS ETC) AND THEN THE RATES ARE JACKED UP(PART OF IMF AGREEMENT).

AND THESE COUNTRIES ARE LEFT WITH A HUGE INTEREST BILL, OWED TO THE IMF WHO ARE BASICALLY WESTERN OLIGARCH BANKERS.

I don't need to calm down, however, the disinformation flowing out of America's corporate media needs to be kept off this site.

THERE WAS NO ELECTION IN PARLIAMENT, UKRAINIAN POLITICIANS WHO WERE ATTACKED BY SVOBODA AND TYMENSHENKO'S THUGS CAN ATTEST TO THIS.............

THERE WAS A CLOSED DOOR IMF-WESTERN MEETING WHERE the Ukrainians WERE TOLD WHAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT, AGAIN THESE SPECIFIC POLITICIANS WERE CHOSEN FOR THEIR LACK OF SPINE AND AGREEABLE MINDSET.

[muriel_volestrangler]

30. I linked to the report with the number of votes

You, on the other hand, have just made up something about "a closed door IMF-western meeting".

Please stop typing in capitals. It's like shouting at someone. It doesn't make what you say any truer.

[PercievingBalance]

31. No, what you did was link to a state owned newspaper controlled by the "unelected" president

Which is exactly what this site doesn't need, more state sponsored garbage from a man who has vowed to kill all the Ukrainians who speak or look different than he does.

[muriel_volestrangler]

32. So you won't accept the word of the parliament about what the parliament did?

http://rada.gov.ua/en/news/News/News/88388.html

You haven't even tried to provide a source for your story.

You're raving now - "a man who has vowed to kill all the Ukrainians who speak or look different than he does". This is ridiculous. You just make things up.

[PercievingBalance]

33. Tymenshenko went farther, hell she was ready to arm herself and shoot them all

as soon as she got out of prison.

And everyone was fine with that, just peachy, even Obama and McCaine.

I'm telling you Ukraine could be another Libya, fortunately Ukraine neighbors scare the hell out of Washington which is why we WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING REAL other than donate tons of weapons for the Ukrainian appointees to use on the citizens who protest against the IMF-WESTERN BANK RULE THAT IS ABOUT TO DROP ON ALL THEIR HEADS.................THAT IS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T COME IN AND PROTECT THEIR SOVEREIGNTY FIRST.


I can't believe after the utter failures Washington caused in Egypt, Libya and Syria people are still actually towing the same beat up line.

THE USE DOESN'T SPREAD DEMOCRACY, IT SPREAD CORPORATE DICTATORSHIPS.

[EX500rider]

44. "the disinformation flowing out of America's corporate media needs to be kept off this site."

To be replaced by the extreme propaganda of Putin's mouthpiece RT? lol The 50 Ruble Army strikes again!!

[LisaL]

34. And? Lest say congress here decides to impeach Obama and elect another member of congress.

Would it be legal? Just because this guy was elected into parliament doesn't make it legal.

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. And ... there's an election for president next month

With the previous one being a fairly obvious crook, and the violence and killing meted out to protesters by his forces, he had to go. And now the people elect a new one.

[penultimate]

12. Which politicians were selected and recently put into positions in the Ukrainian government?

Which ones were not elected to positions within the Ukrainian government?

[riqster]

5. That's the best idea I have heard yet.

It puts all parties on notice, provides monitoring, and should help de-escalate.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. Calling for UN intervention? Why, how fascist neo-nazi of them!

Clearly the work of a putsch installed government, the likes of which we haven't see since 1930s Germany!

[McCamy Taylor]

8. And can we send some troops to Tibet and Wounded Knee while we are at it?

Anyone remember who the permanent members with veto powers are?

[EX500rider]

11. What is currently happening at Wounded Knee that would require UN forces? n/t

[dipsydoodle]

27. China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States

.

[okaawhatever]

19. Vietnam has good relations with Russia and the West, China could send troops and they would be

seen as neutral. Possible the Netherlands or Finland.

[Benton D Struckcheon]

22. Bangladesh is always sending troops for these missions.

There's lots of others. 180 or more in the UN, quite a few are more or less neutral and acceptable to the SC members.

[okaawhatever]

24. I didn't know that. Thx for the info. nt

[amandabeech]

39. The Chinese and the Vietnamese would probably start shooting at each other.

The Finns fought with the Germans against the Russians during WWII after Russia invaded Finland. It was called the "Winter War."

The Finns prevented an all out takeover of Finland by Russia before the Germans attacked. IIRC, Finland was a former colony of Russia in the 19th century.

I think that you can cross them off the list for this assignment.

[uhnope]

28. looks like another Putin dictatorship worshipper got banned in this thread, thank goodness

[amandabeech]

36. Yes, but Mr. all caps is still at it.

The NYT comments section on their Ukrainian story today is filled with US haters, most of them new.

I realize that many of them don't live here, but the ones that do must be angry all the time. It can't be good for their health.

[billh58]

37. And he's shouting on other threads

as well. A newbie who is blasting in all caps to be noticed. Sad...

[amandabeech]

38. Eventually someone will talk him down,

or everyone will just put him on ignore.

Or he'll get the pizza.

[billh58]

42. He's gone... n/t

[amandabeech]

43. Relief! n/t

[okaawhatever]

40. One down, fifty to go. nt

[dipsydoodle]

45. "It is not the right moment for any United Nations peacekeeping troops to be sent to Ukraine"

U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon was quoted as saying on Tuesday. Via Reuters :

"At this moment, it doesn't seem very practical to send troops," Ban told Mexican newspaper Reforma, according to the Spanish text of an interview.

Ban, who was in Mexico City to attend a conference on international development, was speaking as Ukrainian forces launched a "special operation" against separatist militia in the Russian-speaking east of the country.

Ban told the newspaper that any decision to send troops to Ukraine would need to be agreed by the U.N. Security Council, of which Russia is a permanent member.

"Unless we have a clear mandate and authorization from the Security Council, I can't take any action," Ban said.

Guardian live updates an hour ago http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/15/ukraine-military-forces-russia-live-blog