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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:24 PM Apr 2014

Judge: Feds can hide rationale for killing U.S. citizen

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

A Bay Area federal judge says the Obama administration can keep secret a memo spelling out the legal rationale for a 2011 drone attack in Yemen that killed a U.S. citizen and alleged terrorist mastermind.

The Justice Department was entitled to withhold the memo on the grounds of national security and lawyer-client confidentiality, Chief U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken of Oakland said Friday.

Although U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and other Obama administration officials have made public statements justifying drone strikes, Wilken said none of them was specific enough for her to rule against the government's claim of secrecy and require officials to disclose the legal rationale for the Yemen attack.

The ruling dismissed a suit by the First Amendment Coalition, an open-government advocacy group in San Rafael. The organization sued after a September 2011 drone strike in Yemen that killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S.-born Muslim cleric whom authorities suspected of organizing an attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner in 2009. Another U.S. citizen was also killed in the drone attack, and Awlaki's U.S.-born, 16-year-old son was killed by a drone in Yemen the following month.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Judge-Feds-can-hide-rationale-for-killing-U-S-5401933.php

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Judge: Feds can hide rationale for killing U.S. citizen (Original Post) Newsjock Apr 2014 OP
A secret legal rationale? Sammy Glick Apr 2014 #1
That's what "transparency" means now, doncha know? villager Apr 2014 #2
Very routine actually. When the DOJ applies for a wiretap on a mob hit man, the order is not 24601 Apr 2014 #11
This isn't wiretapping for a future trial. This is murder without trial. Big difference imho nt riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #13
Sick. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #3
Bottom line: The President has been declared world-king with life-and-death power over ALL HUMANS. FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #4
nope. well as long as it's a democrat in office anyway. frylock Apr 2014 #8
Look at it this way: he's better than the last world-king. Sammy Glick Apr 2014 #16
Then again, he WON'T be the LAST world-king FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #21
Could be a world-queen. Sammy Glick Apr 2014 #25
Could be another Bush FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #26
All the other countries are just dukedoms, or "duchies." Sammy Glick Apr 2014 #27
Only in your bizarro world, creep. n/t DeSwiss Apr 2014 #5
Here is what I just don't get: Maedhros Apr 2014 #6
Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. diabeticman Apr 2014 #7
This just in... Javaman Apr 2014 #19
I Wonder When The Frogs Will Jump Out Of The Soon-To-Be-Boiling Pot WillyT Apr 2014 #9
Souless men in suits sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #10
I posted this in GD, and our brightest legal scholars are 'splaining to me how it's all ok. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #12
Orwellian is the New World Order. n/t wildbilln864 Apr 2014 #22
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2014 #14
I think I'm going to be sick neverforget Apr 2014 #15
Bad. blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #17
"Freedumb" is certainly spreading this month ... Nihil Apr 2014 #18
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #20
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #23
Even if that person happens to be a Federal judge????? W T F Apr 2014 #24

24601

(3,962 posts)
11. Very routine actually. When the DOJ applies for a wiretap on a mob hit man, the order is not
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:22 PM
Apr 2014

public. Grand jury testimony is unreleased.

The court in this case is saying that the process is not a judicial one. Congress has sufficient power to check the executive by cutting off appropriations or via impeachment.

It's two appellate levels short of settled law.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
4. Bottom line: The President has been declared world-king with life-and-death power over ALL HUMANS.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:54 PM
Apr 2014

Anyone else see anything wrong with this?

 

Sammy Glick

(43 posts)
27. All the other countries are just dukedoms, or "duchies."
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:12 PM
Apr 2014

Though there are some snotty adversarial dukes, like Putin. The more I explore the metaphor, the more it seems to work.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. Here is what I just don't get:
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 07:15 PM
Apr 2014

Democratic partisans will wail and gnash their teeth over the abominable things the Republicans do.

But if one accepts and supports that the President can declare a citizen an enemy of state based upon secret allegations of secret crimes, then proceed to execute that citizen without due process, then on what basis does one criticize the Republicans?

This is, in effect, the legalization of proscription lists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscription), which were first popularized by such notables as Lucius Corneluis Sulla and Lucius Julius Caesar.

To accept this behavior by the President of the United States is to accept that the Republic has transitioned to Empire. "Hail, Caesar!" is not a proper response.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
19. This just in...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:45 AM
Apr 2014

founding fathers pulled from graves and sent to secret off site detention. The reasoning is: they are considered the first whistle-blowers.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
9. I Wonder When The Frogs Will Jump Out Of The Soon-To-Be-Boiling Pot
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:07 PM
Apr 2014


I guess they do not know, that with each of these rulings, they prove Bin-Laden correct.




 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
10. Souless men in suits
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:07 PM
Apr 2014

now have the legal authority and the power to murder us at their pleasure, justifying their actions with the catchall pretext of national security. It doesn't get much worse than that.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
12. I posted this in GD, and our brightest legal scholars are 'splaining to me how it's all ok.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:27 PM
Apr 2014

It's not ok, though, not at all. It's Orwellian.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
18. "Freedumb" is certainly spreading this month ...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:52 AM
Apr 2014

But it's all ok as the guy in charge has a "D" by his name rather than a "R".



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