U.S. Taped Moscow Plotting Chaos

[laurent]

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Source: Daily Beast via Yahoo

The United States has proof that the Russian government in Moscow is running a network of spies inside Eastern Ukraine because the U.S. government has recordings of their conversations, Secretary of State John Kerry said in a closed-door meeting Friday.

“Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language. We know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from,” Kerry said at a private meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington. A recording of Kerry’s remarks was obtained by The Daily Beast.

Kerry didn’t name specific Russian officials implicated in the recordings. But he claimed that the intercepts provided proof of the Russians deliberately fomenting unrest in Eastern Ukraine—and lying about it to U.S. officials and the public


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Of course, the US did the same thing in Ukraine before the coup.

[1000words]

1. I would be shocked if they didn't

Does the U.S. really want to play "Spy versus Spy?"

[malthaussen]

2. So, we know they're spying because we're spying?

Matthew 7:3 seems to be more appropriate all the time.

-- Mal

[jakeXT]

3. The trilateral comission, co-founded by Z. Brzezinski

interesting

[hedda_foil]

10. The Trilateral Commission that, we were assured, for years, didn't exist. nt.

[jakeXT]

14. The guys who gave us globalization are worried they might take it down with their actions

"The debate is between those who want to deter Putin and punish him versus those who worry about the global economy," McFaul told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Tuesday.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Michael-McFaul-Russia-sanctions-Putin/2014/04/29/id/568350

[nyabingi]

4. hmmm

03/30/2003, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
"We know where they are [Iraq's weapons of mass destruction]. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

After the assurances offered by our intelligence services (which are, after all, non-partisan operatives above politics lol) during the Bush regime's war against Iraq, I can't say I believe any "we know where they are coming from" statements from any US politician. It may be true, but it's hard to believe people like Kerry.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

5. What was the rationale for boasting about this?

I don't mean you, laurent. I mean you, John Kerry.

I recall in the wake of 911 that some dimwit congresscritter boasted about how we were overhearing Osama bin laden on his phone. Guess how long that lasted.

Every last E-1 learns in basic training about a need to know. Why are we boasting about our spying abilities? Wouldn't it be smarter of us to shut up about our capabilities?

Excuse me for shouting.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Agreed, he appears to have blundered here.

[JackRiddler]

23. "Blundered..."

Whatever.

Policy chiefs are always giving out "leaks" to the corporate media so as to advance a policy. This is a constant, today is no different.

In this case, it's bullshit until they release confirmed tapes. Until then, this has as much validity as Colin Powell holding up his prop anthrax vial at the UN.

[JDPriestly]

8. The Russians know or spying capacity. This announcement was meant to change the equation

in the Ukraine -- to end the illusion that the uprisings and the demonstrations and attempts by Russian allies to gain the upper hand in the Ukraine are really spontaneous Ukrainian actions.

[erronis]

7. Oh, wouldn't Condie like to announce another "smoking gun"?

So once again, we rely on some pronouncement from some government department/agency that purportedly has reason to believe that we have intercepted communications that "prove" some foreign government is doing bad things.

OK, I do think that the US is very interested in the outcome of events in every country in the world. And I do think that they will monitor (tap/snoop/eavesdrop/intercept) all conversations between every effn individual anywhere they can - including everyone within the executive, judicial, and congressional branches. Probably intercepting each others intercepts - geez!

However, how can halfway sentient US citizens believe another pronouncement when so many are so self-serving?

Come on, show us the money. Show us the yellow-cake. Show us the centrifuges. Show us what you know.

Stop saying that WE know it, you'll have to take our word - and we'll never explain how we arrived at our totally self-serving, asinine position.

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. Different President. Different Sec of State. Different Year.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

9. What coup? nt

[cosmicone]

11. Russians are using our playbook

and we don't like it.


Did Kerry really think that Russia doesn't have their own Victoria Nulands?

I really hope that they distribute piroshkis to the protesters instead of cookies. Cookies are so last month!

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. Who coulda predicted the anti administration crap that would follow a story like this?

Over the top comparisons of John Kerry to Condie Rice, notwithstanding, there seems to be a real effort by the Putinistas to discredit anything that comes from this administration. SSDD.

[OKNancy]

17. yup

there is a lot of twisting and turning and avoiding the other negative articles, like control of the internet, shutting down humanitarian groups and kidnapping reporters ( who expose the lies)

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. They read them, but they don't comment on 'em. When an o.p. gets nearly a thousand views, and

only a handful of comments, you know it runs counter to their propaganda campaign. They can't come right out and support Putin here, but they won't condemn his actions either.

[freshwest]

19. Sadly true. Anti-Democratic Party, but Rand never does anything wrong, always gets a pass... n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. If "progressives" really took the time to delve into what "states rights" actually means to these...

idiots, they'd run away in horror. They screech about "holding Obama's feet to the fire", and then flirt with the idea of joining forces with a kook who's supported by the gun totin' idiots on the Bundy Ranch?

Nader, much like Sarah Palin, can't stand to be out of the spotlight. Even though Nader is a rightwing tool, I think he has some serious issues with the fact that we actually elected a black guy, who he called "an Uncle Tom". He couldn't believe real Dems chose the black dude over him. Nader is only a hair's breath away from a Donald Sterling. It might be an old white man thing. No matter what it is, it's very personal.

[Octafish]

15. Like the time CURVEBALL found all them WMDs in Baghdad.

Rumsferatu saw them to the north of the city, and in the east and the west and in the southern parts, too.

[William769]

16. Wheres bob?

[Igel]

21. Not a horribly new claim.

You listen to some of the people doing the talking and it's clear they're not from Donetsk or Lugansk.

Lots of Ukrainian Russians have a g > h change in their informal speech. There are differences in word choice. In stress. In the extent to which unstressed vowels are dropped. To which certain consonants are palatalized. In the very quality of some of the vowels and in their duration. The Donbas was not settled primarily by speakers of Central Russian dialects.

When an educated Ukrainian "cleans up" his/her Russian and removes dialectal differences, some of the differences remain but pass unnoticed. Just as when an American from rural Tennessee cleans up his/her accent. There are specific markers that have to be "standard." There are specific words that say, "Hey, I'm a bumpkin" or "I'm educated." For other features of the language there's a lot of variation that nobody, to be honest, notices. Until you look for them, until you start examining low-level phonetics, the full phonological system, etc.

Some of the "DNR" officials, speaking colloquially, speaking off the cuff, some clearly speaking less-than-educated Russian do not speak Ukraine Russian. Perhaps they merely lived for 30 years in a major Russian city. But in no way are some of them "local" except in the sense that my advisor in grad school, a European, was "local" because he'd lived in Los Angeles for a few years, or I'm "from" N. Houston because I've lived here for 5 years and elsewhere for the first 50 years of my life.

This is obvious from videos posted on news sites of impromptu encounters, of press conferences, of coverage of obviously staged events. And in a few cases people have been caught making that exact same point--"we need somebody with a Ukrainian accent to make this announcement."

[yurbud]

22. our government seems to be irony deficient--they can't recognize it at all