Hillary Clinton Would Beat Jeb Bush In Florida (+8 Quinnipiac)

[big_dog]

Source: United Press International

Hillary Clinton is running 8 percentage points ahead of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in his home state, the Quinnipiac Poll said Thursday. Among Democrats, Clinton has huge leads over Vice President Joe Biden and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren. Bush beats a big field of potential Republican contenders for the 2016 presidential nomination, getting 27 percent of the Republicans compared to 14 percent for Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and 11 percent for Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

The poll found that Clinton's advantage over Bush is 49-41. With the rest of the potential Republican field she was the choice of more than half of respondents, leading Rubio 52-40 and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie 52-34.
Another former Florida governor, Republican-turned-Democrat Charlie Crist, would beat Gov. Rick Scott by 10 points if the election were held now. Quinnipiac said that a big reason appears to be that Florida voters, by 15 points, say Crist is more compassionate than Scott. A January Quinnipiac Poll found Crist leading Scott 46-38, a lead that has edged up to 48-38. More than half, 53 percent of respondents, said Scott does not deserve another term in office.

"So far, Florida Gov. Rick Scott's television barrage apparently has had no impact on the race. The incumbent has not been able to reduce former Gov. Charlie Crist's lead. In fact, voters see Crist's party switch in a positive light and the incumbent's effort to tie Crist's support for Obamacare has not yet borne fruit," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the polling institute at Quinnipiac in Hamden, Conn. Just over half, 52 percent, said Crist did a good job when he was governor, compared to 42 percent who say Scott is doing well.





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[951-Riverside]

1. I cannot believe another Bush is actually being considered

There are 300+ million people in the country, we can do better.

[big_dog]

3. Bush fatigue in his own state!

its ovah jebbie...

[Ash_F]

11. Welcome to the new Feudal system. /nt

[brooklynite]

88. Someone probably said the same thing when JohnQuincy Adams was elected...

...somehow we muddled through.

[elzenmahn]

85. He's all they have left...

...but don't get complacent. They're down. And they need to stay down.

Show up to the polls and VOTE!

[wyldwolf]

2. I think any credible Dem wins in '16. The only question is how big of win do we want?

If we want to totally embarrass the GOP - popular vote and electoral college - Clinton is the way.

[big_dog]

4. this could be a historical mammoth landslide type victory like FDR in 1932

especially if Rand Paul or another tea party midget gets the nomination

[KoKo]

12. It might be..but, if voters think they are getting FDR in "Hillary Presidency"....well

those folk just aren't up on their History Reading.

I can't see FDR doing an interview on CBS where he chuckles loudly..."We Came, We Saw, ....He Died" after WWII.


Clinton on Qaddafi: We came, we saw, he died

[Beacool]

13. You intend to flog that taken out of context video for the next two years?

As for Qaddafi, his people killed him, not us.

Might as well be at a RW site with all the crap that one has to see here.

[KoKo]

14. She said it and it it get's to be too much...Google will remove it. I suspect

sooner rather than later.

But...yet...i never got over her laughing over that....because it revealed a side of her character that CANNOT be EXPLAINED AWAY. I still am not over it...and the explanations given for her doing that interview and expressing herself that way never could overcome her real intent.

I defended Bill and Hillary too long against the RW.. The Repugs/Rove/Operatives hounded Bill & Hillary from the moment after the election to blame them for everything they could throw at them.

I didn't see what they were doing until long after I didn't believe in the "Blue Dress," (which devastatingly turned out to be true). I was too gullible and trusting and looked on Bill the way so many here looked on Obama. I thought he truly was the "Hope from Arkansas" and I thought "The Peanut Farmer from Georgia" was the hope for the common folks of America. And ...angry with the way Carter was treated...I took my anger over to the way Bill and Hillary were treated by the RW. I never saw what was going on in the background with the PTB that brought them into office.

Just so you know why I don't want anyone who acts like she does serving in the White House again. Don't want a Clinton Dynasty. Just as if Jeb ran and tried to make up for the mistakes of his brother.

Just so you know...

[Beacool]

17. I already had this exchange with you before.

The CBS reporter (forgot her name) had asked her if her trip to Tripoli had been the cause of Qaddafi's capture. It hadn't, Hillary was being sarcastic and that comment was supposed to be off the record.

Qaddafi was not a good man, he got what he deserved.

BTW, the Clintons are not a dynasty, she's his wife not his daughter.

[KoKo]

18. Well we are done with it then. n/t

[LuvLoogie]

29. The Clintons are not a dynasty.

Virginia Clinton Kelly is neither Joe Kennedy nor Prescott Bush. Politicians are not the protectors of our delicate virtues.

[brooklynite]

89. Which Udall should resign...Mark or Tom?

Since you don't like dynasties and all...

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. K&R

[imthevicar]

6. Great Choice here,

Tweedle dee. or Tweedle dum. their is little difference between them.

[wyldwolf]

7. Silly post - ignorant sentiment.

[imthevicar]

8. Is it really? Both Support the CFR and that's enough for me.

The Middle class, left behind by the elite of the TWO party system. and a war, any war in the making, from either one. I have a bridge for sale, in Brooklyn any takers????? Like shooting fish.

[wyldwolf]

9. Yes it is. Quite silly. And so is being a one issue voter

I was going to ask you to list the ways they're the 'same' while I listed their obvious differences and see who'd come up with the longest and most impressive list (hint: it would be mine) but since you're a one-issue voter, nothing could sway you anyway.

[RoccoR5955]

19. Well Hillary

Is for the TPP, is for the Keystone XL pipeline,
so call me a two issue voter.
But AFIC, there is only ONE issue that should be the MAIN issue. That would be the environment, and Hillary doesn't seem to do well there by me.

Though if she runs, I will more than likely hold my nose and vote for her, I do not see her as a very good candidate for WE THE PEOPLE.

[wyldwolf]

23. well Hillary

Has a solid environmental record.

http://blog.greenwizard.com/wp/2013/06/from-keystone-xl-to-greenbuild-what-is-hillary-clintons-environmental-record/

Though she made statements in support of that pipeline in 2010, as SOS, she recommend the Obama administration deny the permits in 2012. I'd say her support for it is spotty. But her overall environmental record is sterling.

[RoccoR5955]

24. Keystone XL is a deal breaker for me!

She cannot be an environmentalist, and be for Keystone XL.
Besides, she was a Goldwater Girl. That stinks of RepubliCON to me!

[DonViejo]

28. OMG! Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl"...

when she was 17 years old (and couldn't vote until 1972, when she backed George McGovern)! Elizabeth Warren was a registered Republican when Bill Clinton was elected President and when he ran for re-election. Warren could vote in both those elections; did she vote for Poppy Bush in 92 AND then for Bob Dole in '96?

[wyldwolf]

39. Was Warren in favor of Clinton's impeachment? Interesting questions.

[DonViejo]

51. Good question and I'm sure you'll ask my U.S. Senator about that...

Personally, I don't care who either women supported in the past; where they are today is far and away more important. I know after the '68 Dem convention I leaned to supporting Nixon, a position that lasted about ten days. I did eventually work on Hubert Humphrey's campaign but could not vote until '72, when I voted for George McGovern.

[wyldwolf]

38. you sound like you're having a hissy fit now

Keystone is not the end all of environmental issues.

Good luck finding a perfect Democrat in a national election (ah, hell, I'll just say - it ain't going to happen.)

[Auntie Bush]

33. Seems that you know Hillary's platform before she does.

Are you clairvoyant?

[obxhead]

110. I am

Her platform will be helping all us little people, while her Presidency will be enriching her .1%er friends.

Wash, rinse, repeat of the last 3 decades of WH leadership.

[Auntie Bush]

113. Have faith!

If Warren doesn't run...who do you want? Who do you think has a chance to beat Jebbie boy!!!!

[FiveGoodMen]

59. Bullshit

[wyldwolf]

60. BRILLIANT retort

list the ways they're the 'same' while I list their obvious differences. We'll agree to use DU-approved souces and we'll see who comes up with the longest and most impressive list (hint: it will be mine).

[FiveGoodMen]

66. If you can't already tell that Hillary is corporate, Third-Way, just like Obama

...then no list will convince you.

[wyldwolf]

68. so, in other words, you can't make a convincing case ...

that there is little difference between Bush and Clinton.

You have no evidence. All you have is the anecdotes picked up on "progressive" message boards.

[RoccoR5955]

83. There is little difference.

They both favor corporations over people, they both have little concern with the environment.
Though Clinton may do some token things for the working class, Bush would do none.

They are both corporatists.

[wyldwolf]

93. I assume you'll avoid the challenge, too

list the ways they're the 'same' while I list their obvious differences. We'll agree to use DU-approved sources and we'll see who comes up with the longest and most impressive list (hint: it will be mine).

[RoccoR5955]

98. Sure you will

But in reality, they are quite alike when it comes to WE THE PEOPLE.

Not to say that I wouldn't hold my nose and vote for Hillary if she were running against any RapeubliCON. Hell, it would be a cold day in Hades before I voted for one of them!

[wyldwolf]

99. So that's your list?

LOL.

[RoccoR5955]

101. I don't believe in lists! n/t

[wyldwolf]

102. Ah, the 'progressive' version of truthiness

[RoccoR5955]

103. I find the term

"progressive" offensive. I am L-I-B-E-R-A-L!
Screw that progressive shit. That just means that you believe that corporations are people too, but you have to throw the masses a bone once in a while!

[wyldwolf]

104. LOL. OK, the liberal version of truthiness.

[laurent]

118. +1. nt

[RoccoR5955]

82. I agree with that totally.

Everything that she did as my senator tells me so as well.

[Auggie]

10. One offers fast-lane turnover of what's left of our democracy to the 1%

Care to guess who?

[yurbud]

15. Republicans are between a rock and a hard place: Jeb won't turn out their base but

a know nothing demagogue won't get any swing voters.

They are like a monkey trying to get a nut out of a coke bottle and grab another one, but they can't get their hand out with the nut in it, so they end up with neither (hopefully).

[davidpdx]

116. That is a good description

He'd have to veer to the right to get the nomination, then try to break center right to get independents and some minorities and women. The problem is he won't get nearly enough minorities and women and by doing so he'll alienate his base.

[BeyondGeography]

16. That's strong

Don't usually pay attention to state polls this far out but these folks know their Jebbie.

[Cha]

20. Good news about Florida!

[sofa king]

53. Good news, but in a sad way.

The reason why Mrs. Clinton is ahead is because an entire generation of Republicans crashed out and died in Florida, thanks to the Bushes and their successors in Florida.

Net migration raised Florida's population, but not nearly as much as projected in the 1990s. The rate of population growth from 2000-2010 was far lower than in the decades from 1970-2000.


http://edr.state.fl.us/content/population-demographics/data/methodology_projections.pdf

Native Floridians and the elderly migrants who made the election of 2000 close enough to steal have long since paid for their "victory" with their lives, as Bush policies lowered their life expectencies, stole their pensions, retirements, and property, and lowered the quality of inexpensive health care.

Those chumps were shuffled off to their just reward, it is true, but it is a human tragedy of enormous scale, and represents personal loss to countless Americans, sooner and more painfully than it had to be. Historians will speak of this time as the era in which particular demographics were "solved" and politically duped into handing over their lives and treasure. A tragedy.

[Cha]

81. I hear ya, sofa king :(

[blkmusclmachine]

21. And I still wouldn't vote for HRC (deep red TX)

[olddad56]

22. The election is too far off, and anyone who thinks the dem candidate will win easily..

has a short memory. All the people who own the GOP have to do is buy some skewed polls, to make it seem close and then steal the election through rigged elections like 2000. Don't ever count crooked billionaires out, they have done it before.

[Le Taz Hot]

25. Presidential polls over 2 years out

WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL CONTENDERS, mean absolutely nothing. IF Jeb runs and IF it's against Hillary it will be neck and neck as Hillary has NO supporters except with the Party Faithful and the 1%'s money -- they LOVE her 'cause she's one of them.

[antigop]

26. yep, just another stupid poll pushing the "inevitability" meme. Follow the money.

Who is paying for these polls?

[Le Taz Hot]

27. I don't know who is paying for the polls

but I sure as hell know who is pushing them on DU. And to think, we have over two years of "Hillary is inevitable" threads -- thousands and thousands of them.

[LuvLoogie]

30. Yes thousands and thousands of Hillary supporters

versus the 20 or so suffering from HDS here on DU.

[Le Taz Hot]

31. No, just the 20 or so

hard-core DU Hillary supporters who, for some reason, seem to have nothing to do all day, every day, but to post on DU, literally 24 hours a day. Makes one go, "Hmmmmm . . . "

[djean111]

32. I was wondering when I would see the "HDS" thingy.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Hillary's policies - TPP comes to mind. I think it is deranged to root for the TPP just because one's fave helped write it.
Oh, and I don't think scorn or sarcasm will win Hillary any new friends. Just shows the ass of her fan club.

[LuvLoogie]

36. It's a Hillary vs Jeb op showing strong support for HRC in FL.

And yet there are more anti-Hillary posts/posters than anti-Bush ones. I 'm not here to win them over. Yeah, I'm playing the HDS card.

[djean111]

43. If I had to choose between Hillary and Jeb (I live in Florida) I would pick Hillary.

BUT - I would pick ANYONE vs Jeb.
There is no need for anti-Bush sentiment at DU, IMO - it is a damned given.Obviously, the Dem candidate will be picked on widespread name recognition and not policy. Sad, that.

Why is it deranged to dislike Hillary due to the TPP? That is not a "one-issue" item, the TPP fucks up many issues for Americans.

[LuvLoogie]

45. The success or failure of the TPP

will depend upon it's support or opposition in congress. And upon the ratification by member nations. The electorate has to keep pressure on congress to deny fast track approval.

Likewise with Keystone. It's the landowners who have sold the rights to their land that enable it. It is the hold outs stopping it. Presidents don't rule by decree. They are politicians with great but limited power. Moving agendas on a global stage takes political expertise.

If your electorate is divided on a given agenda, then the moneyed interests will hold sway. And you can't move an agenda if you aren't there. This is why I think Barack Obama made Rahm Emanuel his COS. To make way for Nancy Pelosi.

[djean111]

46. So Hillary helped write it and has publicly supported it - but is not responsible for it.

I am not talking about the success or failure of the TPP - the 1% will get it one way or another.
I am talking about the mindset that helped write it and shilled for it.
THAT is the important thing to me.

[LuvLoogie]

86. Whatever Hillary Clinton's mindset is,

I think her pluses outweigh her minuses. I like her mindset on a variety of fronts. The TPP is being negotiated between a dozen countries. Given Hillary's duties as SOS, I can't see how she had much time to negotiate and draft trade agreements in any depth.

The State Department hasn't been much involved in trade agreements since the 60s. Susan Schwab, Ronald Kirk and now Michael Froman as US Trade Representative(s) had/have the lead on TPP. They report to the President, not to the SOS. The President wants fast track. If Congress abdicates its authority in these negotiations and oversight, then the 1 % might have a shot at passing this where the U.S. is concerned.

By asking for fast track, the Obama administration has painted a big bullseye on the TPP.

[djean111]

92. Are you saying that by asking for Fast Track, Obama is playing eleventy-dimensional chess, and that

he does not want the TPP? Looks like Reid is blocking Fast Track for now, at least until after this year's elections.

[LuvLoogie]

94. I don't know.

How do you get big donor money and rally your base at the same time? I know Obama is not running, but he is Team Captain.

[djean111]

95. How do you get big donor money and rally your base at the same time?

More like "How do you get big donor money and lie to your base at the same time?"

[LuvLoogie]

96. Do you think Congress intends to abdicate its authority?

The electorate is fickle. Harry Reid, since calling out Romney on his taxes, has been honing his populist chops in both word and action. This TPP issue, pass or fail, will be done by 2016. It will be like Kyoto, languishing until there is consensus. The power on this issue is in Congress.

2014 is the key. Hillary has no bearing on the TPP. She has no idea what the final, negotiated agreement will be. No one does. Ron Wyden is asking for complete transparency and may get the enough of the House and Senate to agree with him.

[wyldwolf]

40. It comes right after that "'inevitability' meme" thingy.

[frylock]

55. X Derangement Syndrome was made up by Charles Krauthammer to deflect any criticism of GWB..

I just have to smh when I see "liberals" repurpose that bullshit meme here on this "progressive" discussion board.

[djean111]

57. Bwah! That is priceless!

[wyldwolf]

70. you mean like YOU did here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19086

and here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3155838

[wyldwolf]

71. Bwah! That is priceless!

[frylock]

72. spend much time digging those up?

irony isn't your strong suit, I take it.

[wyldwolf]

73. Actually, no. 'frylock derangement' in that google box above. 90 seconds max.

[frylock]

74. and you'll note the OPs that i posted to are experts in the field of evaluating people for ODS..

thus my ironic commentary.

[wyldwolf]

75. I'll note that you used the term before ridiculing someone else for it.

[frylock]

76. i've been ridiculing people over that term since it first appeared here over 5 years ago..

getting back to my original point:

http://townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/2003/12/05/bush_derangement_syndrome/page/full

[wyldwolf]

77. yet you used it yourself - twice that I saw

[frylock]

78. i used it to be ironic ffs..

I don't believe in x derangement syndrome, full stop. people that take exception to Obama's vacation time, or Obama's bicycle helmet, or Obama's "mom jeans" don't suffer from some made-up bullshit malady. they're racist fucking assholes. posters here that take exception to some of the President's right-leaning policies aren't deranged any more than they were when they took exception to right-leaning policy when it was proposed by bush.

[wyldwolf]

79. ok.

[Nye Bevan]

47. You're more than welcome to post polls in which Warren or Sanders are trouncing Hillary.

If such polls exist, that is.

[Beacool]

61. They don't, that's their frustration.

Warren polls in the single digits and Sanders isn't even a speck on most polls.

[Beacool]

62. Let's see, they are from Gallup, Quinnipiac, Rasmussen, ABC, CBS, WP, NYT, etc.

Do you want me to continue?

[Auntie Bush]

34. An Jeb isn't one of the 1%?

Hillary gets a lot of crossover votes and independents.

Other than that...I agree with your post. It's too early and polls mean nothing now. Millionaires and billionaires haven't wasted their money yet.

[Le Taz Hot]

35. I don't care about Jeb.

Hillary gets crossover votes? OMG! You're serious. No, Hillary gets NOTHING but the Party Faithful and the 1% and the 1% don't really care who has the WH as long as they can control the President. To them, there's little difference between Hillary and Jeb and they would be right.

[Auntie Bush]

41. Go back and read the OP poll again.

If Hillary gets such a high percentage... she HAS to be getting votes from crossovers and Independents. Besides I've heard repeatedly from all kinds of media that she is the only one who can get crossovers. Democrats can't win without some crossovers (centrists)...that's a fact!

[Le Taz Hot]

49. The poll is 2 years out

and means nothing. Now there's a "fact."

[Auntie Bush]

54. Where do you see that poll was 2 years ago?

[frylock]

56. 2016 - 2014 = 2 years out

[antigop]

67. but math is hard! lol nt

[Beacool]

63. Are you trying to be funny or do you really have no clue about the level of her support?

What you wrote is so off the wall ridiculous that it's not even worth arguing the point.

[Le Taz Hot]

65. Funny, I was thinking the same thing

about your post.

[Arkana]

37. The big question is, what happens if Hillary decides not to run?

The answer? Chaos. Every second-tier candidate becomes a first-tier overnight. Donors scramble to line up behind their backup plans, and all of a sudden we have a circus to rival the Republicans'.

[Auntie Bush]

42. That's such a scary question I can't ever think about. nt

[Proud Public Servant]

52. There may be a scramble, but we won't have a circus

I actually think there's a chance Hillary actually won't run, for health reasons.

If that happens, it'll mostly look like 1988 again, when everyone simply assumed Cuomo would run and walk away with teh nomination...until he didn't. The result was a crowded field of really fine Democrats: Mike Dukakis, Paul Simon, Dick Gephardt, Al Gore, Joe Biden, and of course Jesse Jackson.

Hillary withdraws and a bunch of people probably jump in: Brian Schweitzer, Martin O'Malley, Sherrod Brown, Mark Warner, maybe Joe Biden, maybe Kirsten Gillibrand (if Andrew Cuomo doesn't run), maybe Deval Patrick, maybe even Elizabeth Warren (though I really think that unlikely). All of them would be fine candidates, and any of them except Warner would be preferable to a corporatist hawk.

[davidpdx]

114. I agree with you on the fact that it won't be a circus and there is a chance she won't run

If Hillary Clinton doesn't run it won't be the end of the world (but it certainly would make me happy). Committing to another 4-8 years in office is going to be a tough decision. She'd also have to pick someone for as a VP who would be ready to step into the role if either something happened health-wise or she only served one term and wanted a strong successor.

[greatlaurel]

44. Hillary Clinton will win big time.

She will win big and she will have coattails, that is why the GOP is working overtime to try to divide and conquer the Democratic party.

[Le Taz Hot]

48. LOL!

How cute.

[stonecutter357]

87. You sound concern .

[Zambero]

50. The state that nod & winkster Jeb allowed "W" to steal in 2000

Favorite son or not, Jeb's reputation and his role in history was crystalized by the election theft that took place under his watch. That episode would not be lost on those Floridians who might not look back on the Bush II years with fondness.

[djean111]

58. I do not think anything Jeb did would make a Republican vote for a Democrat.

Especially - not for Hillary.

[Zambero]

91. Correct. But independents?

A large demographic in Florida and a much different story.

[antigop]

64. heh, heh. you know you hit the nail on the head when...

the Third Way sycophants show up.

[Gothmog]

69. Jeb is the candidate of the GOP donor class but has a great deal of baggage

The only person who Jeb could run against would be Hillary Clinton. Even then Jeb has a great deal of baggage due to W and I do not think that the tea party base will want to support Jeb

[Charlos]

80. Hillary won't be able to hit him on the Iraq war

He will reply "you voted for it"

[wyldwolf]

100. So? That (will have) happened 4 administrations ago.

[davidpdx]

115. No actually it will have been the administration before Obamaq

Given we are still in the process of pulling out of Afghanistan, the two wars are still fresh on most people's minds (with the exception of those who will be first time voters in 2016 as they would be too young to remember the beginning of the two wars).

[YOHABLO]

84. Well Hillary hasn't said yes ...yet. But sources say J.Bush is a definite. No more Bushes!

[DCBob]

90. Interesting comment in the article: "voters see Crist's party switch in a positive light"

Charlie could be big asset for us in the 2016 elections.

[Strelnikov_]

97. Ben Gazzzzzzzzi !!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[RKP5637]

105. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Endgames]

106. Even the teabaggers don't want him n/t

[tooeyeten]

107. Tina Brown says she shouldn't run

Last edited Sat May 3, 2014, 09:31 PM - Edit history (1)

And Tina Brown is a loser IMO.

She says it's too hard, too stressful therefore Hillary should give up.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/02/don-t-run-for-president-hillary-become-a-post-president-instead.html

[Beacool]

109. And Hillary should listen to Tina Brown, why?

[tooeyeten]

111. Not at all

But Brown's anti-Hillary position will certainly gain points with the GOP, teapers, Fox and Morning Schmoe.

[merrily]

108. According to polls, most Americans do not want another Clinton Bush Presidential rivalry.

Nor foregone conclusions about who the nominees will be.

But what most Americans want does not seem to be the priority in such matters.

[AnalystInParadise]

112. When it is six months out

and polls show us behind, people say it is way too early, I think the same rule is in effect here. Way too early for this kind of nonsense to be taken seriously. Two people who have not said they are running for President are being polled.....................WTF..............

[libodem]

117. I knew it

I've been critical but I'd vote for her in a hot second if it came down to her and der jebmeister.