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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:54 AM May 2014

FCC approves plan to consider paid priority on Internet (updated headline)

Source: Washington Post

The next phase will be four months of public comments, after which the commissioners will vote again on redrafted rules that are meant to take into account public opinion. But the enactment of final rules faces significant challenges.

Read more: http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/05/15/fcc-approves-plan-to-allow-for-paid-priority-on-internet/%3Fwpsrc%3DAG0003336



Here's a link to the FCC proceeding #14-28 Protecting and Promoting the Open Internet.

Fill out the form, let them know what you think.

http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display;jsessionid=zw2VT0vXtzxGn3TzygJvGdJywxCz5KG01hXRQTHL3J1S47hGFhMp!-571432918!-1944200849?z=6bppb
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FCC approves plan to consider paid priority on Internet (updated headline) (Original Post) TalkingDog May 2014 OP
Proceeding 09-191 In the Matter of Preserving the Open Internet Broadband Industry Practices. TalkingDog May 2014 #1
The headline was altered to "FCC approves plan to consider paid priority on Internet" kristopher May 2014 #16
Will Do. Thanks nt TalkingDog May 2014 #21
I've tried posting my comment on that but it is apparently down. NorthCarolina May 2014 #46
they already know the public's opinion and they just gave you the finger leftyohiolib May 2014 #2
The USA is not about "we the people. "We the people" get fucked over all the time, and this will RKP5637 May 2014 #31
just like background checks for guns and money in politics the majority of the leftyohiolib May 2014 #35
In USA, Inc. we are treated like disgruntled employees of USA, Inc. And we have no union! n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #44
It's the only type he knows ... Nihil May 2014 #53
im glad u put leader in quotes leftyohiolib May 2014 #59
It’s Not Complicated: To Maintain a Truly Free and Open Internet, Maintain True Net Neutrality PumpkinAle May 2014 #3
"Change You Won't Believe!" villager May 2014 #4
This is so outragous. Even when we "win" we lose. myrna minx May 2014 #5
I think he is weighing in - on the wrong side. grahamhgreen May 2014 #8
He weighed in by appointing a cable company lobbyist with clear conflict of interest to the FCC Ash_F May 2014 #28
I wouldn't hold my breath for him to side with "we the people." "We the people" RKP5637 May 2014 #32
but but but hope and change, hope and change. leftyohiolib May 2014 #36
The decision for a tiered internet is already made, the "public opinion" period is just a formality NorthCarolina May 2014 #6
So the FCC basically told us to go fuck ourselves? truebrit71 May 2014 #7
Not just the FCC - Tom Wheeler and the man he was appointed by. grahamhgreen May 2014 #9
The blame rests SOLELY with Obama...he knew who he was appointing, AND NorthCarolina May 2014 #12
He's the long-con candidate, apparently. grahamhgreen May 2014 #42
obama's appointees doing their jobs nt msongs May 2014 #10
.... 840high May 2014 #29
Yep, business as usual, the people get screwed. n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #33
Yeah like they give a fuck what we think mindwalker_i May 2014 #11
write your congress critter rurallib May 2014 #13
openinternet@fcc.gov Triana May 2014 #14
And make sure you insert net neutrality and ever free because PumpkinAle May 2014 #15
Recommend...! KoKo May 2014 #22
Fools. EEO May 2014 #17
The assholes are relentless aint_no_life_nowhere May 2014 #18
That's where I am right now. I'll just use my library internet and read more book Ed Suspicious May 2014 #27
Here's a hint: if you oppose the FCC policy proposal, DON'T SIGN A PETITION... brooklynite May 2014 #19
^^^^^ Very good information ^^^^^^ groundloop May 2014 #20
Recommend! KoKo May 2014 #23
Or.... go directly to their site via the links I provided in the OP TalkingDog May 2014 #25
Agree, but it helps now to have the ruling to have the FCC filing/Link to contact them personally... KoKo May 2014 #26
yes we know the drill remember the background check for guns everyone wrote leftyohiolib May 2014 #38
worthy of its own thread Skittles May 2014 #51
I'm shocked. Shocked. deutsey May 2014 #24
Wall Street controls both political parties randys1 May 2014 #30
I'm dying to hear the apologists spin on this one. vi5 May 2014 #34
He had no choice. He had to destroy the Internet in order to save it. Jackpine Radical May 2014 #37
HE'S ONLY BEEN PREZ FOR 5.5 years Skittles May 2014 #50
He doesn't have a magic wand!!! QC May 2014 #39
I tend to think this thread is likely one they will choose to avoid. NorthCarolina May 2014 #45
It takes a long time to turn a big ship around!!! QC May 2014 #54
That's a good one. vi5 May 2014 #55
We're still waiting for the turn to begin. n/t QC May 2014 #56
It's amazing how quickly we can turn the ship... vi5 May 2014 #57
We can turn on a dime for Jamie and Lloyd. QC May 2014 #58
The cynic in me is wondering how much $$$ it took to buy off the FCC. nt cstanleytech May 2014 #40
The FCC was not bought! Jackpine Radical May 2014 #41
shouldn't we be UPGRADING OUR TUBES??? pansypoo53219 May 2014 #43
Kick maddezmom May 2014 #47
At this point...... DeSwiss May 2014 #48
Thanks, Obama! nt Earth_First May 2014 #49
Five bucks says... Prophet 451 May 2014 #52
Bend over Americans workinclasszero May 2014 #60

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
1. Proceeding 09-191 In the Matter of Preserving the Open Internet Broadband Industry Practices.
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:00 PM
May 2014

Posting on this one couldn't hurt either: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=7yxqn

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
16. The headline was altered to "FCC approves plan to consider paid priority on Internet"
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:04 PM
May 2014

Perhaps you could update the OP.


FCC approves plan to consider paid priority on Internet


..."Agencies almost always change their rules from the initial proposal -- that is why we have a whole notice and comment period, so that the agency can hear from the public and be educated into making the right decision (or at least the least bad decision)," said Harold Feld, a vice president at Public Knowledge, a media and technology policy public interest group. "Do not freak about the tentative conclusion and proposed rules."

The next phase will be four months of public comments, after which the commissioners will vote again on redrafted rules that are meant to take into account public opinion. But the enactment of final rules faces significant challenges....


Edit: I thought you had changed the headline, but I see now it was altered by the Washington Post. I presume that is because it was inaccurate and sensationalistic.
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
46. I've tried posting my comment on that but it is apparently down.
Thu May 15, 2014, 05:23 PM
May 2014

I keep receiving an error "Cannot Open Connection".

OK - Persistence is the key. Their system is apparently handling a number of submittals. I kept trying, and at about the 50th reload it finally went through.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
2. they already know the public's opinion and they just gave you the finger
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:07 PM
May 2014

so for 4 months they'll let the public vent and then they'll give a b.j. to these providers and you , the public, can go to hell

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
31. The USA is not about "we the people. "We the people" get fucked over all the time, and this will
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:05 PM
May 2014

be one more time. Until money is removed in politics, this same old shit will go on and on and on and on.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
35. just like background checks for guns and money in politics the majority of the
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:17 PM
May 2014

"american people " want net neutrality and we're not gonna get it so why the spectacle. 4 months of people complaining and they will still get rid of it. and while we're at it wtf is obama doing putting in the fcc a corporate whore

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
53. It's the only type he knows ...
Fri May 16, 2014, 08:31 AM
May 2014

> while we're at it wtf is obama doing putting in the fcc a corporate whore

A "world leader" these days isn't going to do anything he/she isn't being told
to do by his/her owners.

Now as to who is the "whore" in that relationship, that's for you to decide ...

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
3. It’s Not Complicated: To Maintain a Truly Free and Open Internet, Maintain True Net Neutrality
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:10 PM
May 2014

Snip.....

Wheeler has felt the heat. His revised approach embraces some of the language of critics, and expresses an openness to debate about what a growing consensus among responsible members of Congress and advocacy groups says is the right response to the issue: reclassification of Internet providers as “telecommunications services” that can be regulated in the public interest.

But Wheeler has not moved as far as the official pronouncements might suggest. Indeed, according to The Wall Street Journal, despite the talk of “tweaks” to the initial plan, the chairman “is sticking to the same basic approach.”

An analysis from Matt Wood, a public interest lawyer who formerly worked with the Media Access Project and now works with the media reform group Free Press, concludes that the revisions proposed by Wheeler “fall far short.” Indeed, argues Wood, “Unless the chairman reverses his fundamentally failed approach, we won’t have real Net Neutrality—and we will have rampant discrimination online.”


http://www.thenation.com/blog/179864/its-not-complicated-maintain-truly-free-and-open-internet-maintain-true-net-neutrality

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
4. "Change You Won't Believe!"
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:14 PM
May 2014

I guess they needed some copyedits on their slogans, when they were campaigning...

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
5. This is so outragous. Even when we "win" we lose.
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:15 PM
May 2014

I sure would like the President to weigh in on this. So all of this "public comment" was just for show and we can all go pound sand? Yep, that's some democracy we have here. I certainly didn't vote for this.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
28. He weighed in by appointing a cable company lobbyist with clear conflict of interest to the FCC
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:43 PM
May 2014

Tom Wheeler.

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
32. I wouldn't hold my breath for him to side with "we the people." "We the people"
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:07 PM
May 2014

get change we don't want and little hope IMO.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
6. The decision for a tiered internet is already made, the "public opinion" period is just a formality
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:16 PM
May 2014

that means nothing to a group determined to do the bidding of their pay masters. Money talks, public opinion be damned.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
12. The blame rests SOLELY with Obama...he knew who he was appointing, AND
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:46 PM
May 2014

Last edited Thu May 15, 2014, 04:44 PM - Edit history (1)

he knew why. Now, so do we.


 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
14. openinternet@fcc.gov
Thu May 15, 2014, 12:56 PM
May 2014

I see a link right at the top of FCC.gov that goes to this email address. I encourage EVERYONE to bombard this agency with messages that Net Neutrality MUST be preserved, and that ISPs should therefore be classified by the FCC AS UTILITIES and regulated as such.

They CAN do this. But it's evident they don't want to. All that's stopping them from putting a further crimp in the hose of free and open internet (the ISPs are already doing it) is US.

RAISE. HELL.

PeeEss: There's also a blog post here which contains many comments. Add yours: http://www.fcc.gov/blog/preserving-ever-free-and-open-internet

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
15. And make sure you insert net neutrality and ever free because
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:00 PM
May 2014

to Tom Wheeler open internet = it is open for those who want to charge and the minions be damned.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
18. The assholes are relentless
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:08 PM
May 2014

Too much money to be made by the profiteers. I'd rather do away with my computer and the Internet altogether if they make it too complicated and expensive. I can live without it.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
27. That's where I am right now. I'll just use my library internet and read more book
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:42 PM
May 2014

while I sort of hermit live. Blood pressure can't take this shit anyway.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
19. Here's a hint: if you oppose the FCC policy proposal, DON'T SIGN A PETITION...
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:11 PM
May 2014

In the near future you'll receive a lot of emails asking you to sign one or more petitions in support of Net Neutrality. Don't bother with any of them.

First many of them are what are known as "butterfly nets": the petition itself is meaningless; it's just a way to collect your name and email address for the group posting the petition.

Second, even those that are well-meaning are a worthless exercise. I work on Public Hearings, and while dropping a stack of "10,000 signatures" looks dramatic and sounds good in a press release, it doesn't move the needle.

Instead, turn off DU, open your email program and write a letter, in your own words, about what you want and why the proposal is flawed. Regulations generally require that every single submission be read in entirety, and it's key point responded to in the hearing record.

Additionally, write another letter, also in your own words, to each of your elected officials, even if they're Republican. They will also reach out to the FCC if they think their constituents care enough, and their input will get extra attention by the FCC staff (i.e. they know where their budget comes from).

Absolutely the worst thing you can do is assume "the fix is in". If you do nothing, I guarantee you nothing will change.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
20. ^^^^^ Very good information ^^^^^^
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:25 PM
May 2014

I wonder if it would be worth sharing a few key talking points we should include in our emails.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
26. Agree, but it helps now to have the ruling to have the FCC filing/Link to contact them personally...
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:36 PM
May 2014

Signing Petitions on the first go was still important for people to get aware and engaged. I signed the "Common Cause" petition because I'm a member and know this is an issue for them. Others may have signed petitions at "Free Press" etc. because they already are members and donate. So, it isn't that it's wasted effort but, agree if you don't belong to those groups then you might not want to get e-mails for donations, etc.

So...the hard work now is contacting the FCC Directly as has been said in the OP and here.

Thanks for your post about this!

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
38. yes we know the drill remember the background check for guns everyone wrote
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:38 PM
May 2014

their congress critter, that got us our background check so that.... oh wait we didnt get that. oh wait i have one remember how we all wrote to our Congress that money wasnt speech and that's what saved us from citizens united and .... oh oops well ok those were bad examples but surely the fcc would heed the words from their colleagues

A group of 11 United States Senators told him Friday that rules allowing companies to pay an Internet service provider for express-lane access to consumers, as the rules are widely expected to do, would violate the principle of an open Internet
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/a-tough-stretch-for-tom-wheeler-on-net-neutrality/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0#

Not long after FCC Commissioner Jennifer Rosenworcel asked agency chair Tom Wheeler to delay bringing his controversial net neutrality proposal to the table next week, another commissioner has also come out against the plan. "I have grave concerns about the Chairman's proposal on Internet regulation and do not believe that it should be considered at the Commission's May meeting," said Ajit Pai in a short statement


while im all for writing your congress critters they will say that the president appoints these people and there's nothing they can do about it. potus is going to stick it to you like we stuck it to him in 2010

randys1

(16,286 posts)
30. Wall Street controls both political parties
Thu May 15, 2014, 01:50 PM
May 2014

Has for some time now, while I wish Obama would do the right thing here, he will do what the people who have financed him for 20 yrs tell him to do, otherwise he would not be President.

Our political system is not just broken but it HATES us, the people.

It exists solely to service the rich and powerful and most of them in power consider us annoyances.

I want to have hope that President Obama will do the right thing and until he doesnt, I will still have hope.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
34. I'm dying to hear the apologists spin on this one.
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:14 PM
May 2014

I'm sure somehow it has nothing to do with anything Obama did, even if it was his appointee and currently his FCC.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
37. He had no choice. He had to destroy the Internet in order to save it.
Thu May 15, 2014, 02:32 PM
May 2014

You never liked Obama. You're a racist.

You think you'd get a better deal with Romney or Rubio?

The Republicans forced him into it.

It hasn't happened yet.

This is just the first move in an n-dimensional chess game that's too complicated for you to understand.

Obama's got this.

Ummm…

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
45. I tend to think this thread is likely one they will choose to avoid.
Thu May 15, 2014, 04:53 PM
May 2014

Commenting would only serve to keep the thread alive longer. Better to just let it sink...there's other battles to be had.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
57. It's amazing how quickly we can turn the ship...
Fri May 16, 2014, 09:25 AM
May 2014

When it's something Wall Street and the money men want though.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
48. At this point......
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:09 PM
May 2014

...it's easier to list the things he didn't lie to us about.

- Saves time.

K&R

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
52. Five bucks says...
Fri May 16, 2014, 07:00 AM
May 2014

... that the only public comments they will pay any attention to are the ones saying that they should do what they already have planned. "Public consultation" usually means they invite comments, ignore the vast majority of the comments and do what they want anyway.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
60. Bend over Americans
Fri May 16, 2014, 10:45 AM
May 2014

Our overlords have spoken and THEIR government is all ears, with hands out of course for campaign cash, etc.

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