Putin is behaving just like Hitler, says Prince Charles

[Jesus Malverde]

Source: Daily Mail

Prince Charles has sensationally likened Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler.

In a withering verdict on the actions of the Russian president in Ukraine, he told a woman who lost relatives in the Nazi Holocaust: ‘And now Putin is doing just about the same as Hitler.’

The prince’s extraordinary  intervention is certain to cause international controversy.

It is likely to be seen as a criticism of the West for failing to confront Mr Putin over his seizure of Crimea. The annexation was the first by a major power in Europe since 1945.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2634400/Putin-behaving-just-like-Hitler-says-Charles-Princes-controversial-verdict-Russian-leaders-invasion-Ukraine.html

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[RKP5637]

1. Certainly an honest and forthright appraisal of Putin's increasingly aggressive behavior. n/t

[Jesus Malverde]

4. Or is it over the top hyperbole from someone who shouldn't be involved in politics.

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" —​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990,[2] Godwin's Law originally referred, specifically, to Usenet newsgroup discussions.[4] It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles and other rhetoric.

In 2012, "Godwin's Law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Typically those invoking the meme are losers...

[OKNancy]

7. he's free to express his opinion just like you or me.

[EmilyAnne]

9. But, but, but there's a MEME!!! nt

[Jesus Malverde]

12. Godwin's Law

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/godwins-law

[EmilyAnne]

18. Well, better get thee to a Usenet discussion board. nt

[Jesus Malverde]

19. Welcome to the internet...

[truebrit71]

90. Godwin's Law is a weak-ass way to wiggle out of an argument...

...

[U4ikLefty]

111. +1

[Cha]

22. Exactly Nancy.. I don't buy into that crap about anybody not being able to speak out

about how they feel about events on our Planet.

That's what John McCain said about Barbra Streisand.. "she should stick to singing and let them handle politics".. Well, No.

[Jesus Malverde]

25. From the article...

What is unusual, however, is for a senior royal to express an opinion publicly on such a clearly sensitive diplomatic issue.

[truebrit71]

91. Unusual but not prohibited....there's a big distinction between the two...

....

[JackRiddler]

87. Actually, he's far more free to do so.

For some reason statements from this decrepit family are privileged, no matter how irrelevant.

[EmilyAnne]

8. Those invoking the Godwin's Law meme are losers?

Sounds about right.

[RKP5637]

40. Interesting! Thanks for the info.! n/t

[okaawhatever]

2. Dang. Surprised to hear something so controversial from him. nt

[MicaelS]

3. Nice to see someone has some balls.

Good for Charles.

[billhicks76]

68. Whatever

I think he meant Tony Blair. How about George Bush and Dick Cheney. Thank God we didn't allow Obama to invade Syria or Iran. He would've without public opposition and I am very sorry for having to say it but it's true.

[Rhinodawg]

72. It is good to see.

[951-Riverside]

5. *sigh* ...Just like before the Iraq war

How about Putin, Charles and Obama put the nukes down and get in the UFC Octagon and battle it out while the rest of us live our lives?

Its not fair that 90% of life on this planet could be destroyed because a bunch of ultra rich assholes want to talk smack about each other.

Putin and his botox face, Charles and his big ears and bad teeth and Obama and whatever he's got going on there can all FUCK OFF ...I'm done with war.

[GeorgeGist]

6. Phuck the oligarchs.

[appacom]

13. Not a damn clue

Your irrational rant that ended in a "fuck you" to my president gets a resounding "fuck you too" from me..

[Jesus Malverde]

21. How about...

Fuck a war...

[Cha]

23. How about you get a clue?

[Jesus Malverde]

46. Sorry couldn't resist your octagon reference.

[treestar]

74. But not everyone is

Apparently the Ukrainians and Russians following Pootie are all for it.

That's the problem. We don't feel the passion they do about whatever their issue is. But they force us to deal with it by causing trouble over it.

[Cleita]

10. I think comparing him to Stalin may have been more accurate. eom

[newthinking]

32. I think it shows the shallowness of modern leadership to make these kinds of comparisons

and statements.

You never would have heard Churchill or FDR or any of our better statesment using over the top hyperbole.

How can we ever even start to move towards a better world until we stop with the black/white authoritarian thinking.

[Demeter]

35. Amen

Propaganda was so declasse.

[Cleita]

45. Prince Charles has never been the sharpest pencil in the box.

He has a history of making out of touch and ridiculous statements on occasion and then Queen Mum tells him to STFU. So he goes back into his shell for a long while, but eventually comes out with some other dumb thing to say.

[liberalhistorian]

99. Indeed, and I think that's a large

part of why she's still holding onto her office instead of stepping aside for Charles, as many thought she would do over twenty years ago. Considering what a dull, hypocritical, ignorant blithering idiot he is, that's probably a good thing.

[DeSwiss]

52. Good lord.

History!?!?!?!

[Cleita]

54. Yes history. Stalin was trying to get land before WWII, like Poland.

He briefly even had made some deal with Hitler to carve up Eastern Europe between them, but that went sour quickly and Hitler beat him to Poland. But Stalin's motives were to secure borders and shipping lanes, different from Hitler's motive of conquering Europe because he could. This is why Putin's moves are closer to Stalin's than Hitler's.

[DeSwiss]

56. Yeah you're right.....

...I mean other than the 3 to 60 million victims Stalin killed, they're practically twins......

[Cleita]

59. Give Putin time. He hasn't finished his turn in history yet.

You do know that Putin is a great admirer of Stalin don't you?

[DeSwiss]

63. From history.....

...to prophecy in the same thread. Not bad.

- Many Americans are great admirers of Washington, Jackson and Lincoln. And the one thing they all had in common is they had a lot of the native people's of this land killed because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

''Truth is a great mirror shattered by time into a hundred thousand pieces, allowing everyone who has a piece to declare that they have The Truth.''

~Sufi Gabril Kahlil

[Cleita]

80. We aren't talking about America here. Drop the straw man.

No one says you can't predict future actions from present conditions. If one person is killed unjustly at the hands of a dictator it's no different than millions. They are murderous dictators by definition. There are no degrees here. Now you are probably of the school that believes Putin is a right jolly fellow and doing fine things in the interest of Russia. Yet, he is running a very suppressive regime just as Stalin did.

He's no peach, but this topic was about Prince Charlie comparing him to Hitler and we have veered off course here. I made an innocent remark about Stalin being a more appropriate comparison if he was going to put his foot in his mouth and you have turned this into Some vendetta roast of my opinion.

[DeSwiss]

105. The only vendetta I have......

...is to expose THE TRUTH.

[Cleita]

106. So expose it and stop trying to make your narrative fit your prejudices. n/t

[Scootaloo]

102. I keep seeing this same "hopeful" tone, whenever someone wants a war

"Give him time, he'll be just like HitlerHitlerHitlerHitlerHitler any minute now. Aaaany minute now. Any minute now."

So far every national leader "we" dislike is just like Hitler".

[Cleita]

103. You have quite an imagination and not a whole lot of

comprehension of what occurred on this sub thread.

[Scootaloo]

104. I understand that I see someone with about as many clues as nostrils claiming Putin = Hitler

With the basis of the argument being "Just give him time!"

[Cleita]

107. I said Putin is closer to Stalin IF you want to make comparisons to

past dictators like the Prince did. Prince Charlie said he was like Hitler. But you would have known that if you had read the sub thread. I don't think either comparison should be made. He's his own brand of monster. So if you seriously want to debate this go to the library and read all you can find on Hitler, Stalin and Putin. Then come back in six months and we'll talk. In the meantime, I'm not doing another time suck on talking about this.

[Scootaloo]

108. Aaaaaand you're right.

My bad, appears I did indeed go off half-cocked

[MrScorpio]

11. Well, Charles' family history does lend a bit of authority on the subject of Hitler...

[Cleita]

55. As was Bush's. Wasn't Preston Bush and the royal family in

cahoots with business dealings with Hitler?

[jakeXT]

61. Prescott not Preston

Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential presidential candidate himself. Like his son, George, and grandson, George W, he went to Yale where he was, again like his descendants, a member of the secretive and influential Skull and Bones student society. He was an artillery captain in the first world war and married Dorothy Walker, the daughter of George Herbert Walker, in 1921.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

[Cleita]

62. Thanks. I couldn't quite remember his name. Brain fart. n/t

[jakeXT]

60. He made the trains run on time, you know

Prince Philip has broken a 60-year public silence about his family's links with the Nazis.

In a frank interview, he said they found Hitler's attempts to restore Germany's power and prestige 'attractive' and admitted they had 'inhibitions about the Jews'.

The revelations come in a book about German royalty kowtowing to the Nazis, which features photographs never published in the UK.

They include one of Philip aged 16 at the 1937 funeral of his elder sister Cecile, flanked by relatives in SS and Brownshirt uniforms.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html

[YOHABLO]

14. Well there is an analogy with Hitlers occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1938

Not to mention Austria. It wasn't until Hitler and Stalin attacked Poland from both sides that the Brits declared war on Germany. It's all about land grabs.

[Beacool]

16. This........

I think that it's what Prince Charles was referring to, it's the same analogy Hillary made some weeks ago. No one is trying to say that Putin will commit the atrocities that the Nazis perpetrated during WWII, but the land grab and the excuses for doing so, are quite similar.

[Jesus Malverde]

64. Maybe President Polk would have been a better analogy?..nt

[rickyhall]

15. And the Kaiser was Queen Victoria's cousin

But they still had "The Great War"

[DeSwiss]

57. Grandson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II,_German_Emperor

[Jesus Malverde]

65. That's pretty messed up, all those dead for a family squabble..nt

[DeSwiss]

66. As with our perpetual ''family issues'' in other venues on the planet.....

...the Europeans likewise tended to keep the money close by marrying close as well. Queen Vickie, herself of German lineage (being daughter of Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld), was a most prodigious monarch butterfly-maker. She spawned the only family to end up conducting a World War with participants on all sides. In addition to Willie the Kaiser, her other grandkids were:

King George V of the United Kingdom, founder of the House of Windsor, Marie of Romania, Queen consort of Romania and the Czarina Alix of Hesse, consort of his second cousin Tsar Nicholas II of the House of Romanov, the last ruler of the Russian Empire before the Russian Revolution of 1917 which deposed the monarchy.

- Princess Diana was Charles' cousin too. Ew. Now I feel all dirty.....

[rickyhall]

94. Even worse

[The Second Stone]

58. The WWI Kaiser was her grandson

not her cousin

[RufusTFirefly]

17. Contrast with AFRICOM

The tempo of U.S. military occupation of Africa quickens by the day. Seizing every real and manufactured crisis as an opportunity, Washington has created a continental infrastructure that has already reduced most African armies to appendages of U.S. foreign policy, dependencies of the Pentagon. American armed forces operate across the length and breadth of Africa and exercise effective control over the armies of nearly all of the continent’s constituent states.

According to a study by Nick Turse, AFRICOM, the U.S. military command, last year carried out “activities” in every country on the continent except Western Sahara, Guinea Bissau, Eritrea, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Madagascar and Somalia. Somalia doesn’t show up in AFRICOM’s 2013 mission schedule because the country is nominally under the auspices of African Union “peacekeeping” forces. However, the U.S. and Europe pay for every African soldier and weapon engaged in the occupation of Somalia, while the overall operation is run by the CIA. (Egypt is considered part of the Middle East, for U.S. military purposes.)

From Black Agenda Report

Never forget. We're the Good Guys.

(By the way, I've been saying for more than a decade that the two scariest men on the planet are Putin and Cheney. It's not that I'm Pooty-Poot's best bud or anything.)

[Jesus Malverde]

29. good stuff

When you control the narrative, self assessments aren't on the agenda.

[ozone_man]

41. Cheney is no more, but Obama has taking the baton.

So does that make him the scariest now? Racing towards PNAC completion.

[RufusTFirefly]

42. I don't think he's anywhere near

Something soulless and assassin-like about those other two. Like bad guys in a Bond movie.

[geek tragedy]

93. Obama scares racist white people and other assorted loonies nt

[ozone_man]

112. I was thinking more along the lines of the 160,000

Syrians who have died as a result of Obama's covert war there. To me and I think to them he is scary.

[geek tragedy]

113. Blaming Obama for the war in Syria and

all of its deaths is batshit loony and diagnostic of ODS. Syrians fear their government, and they fear the radical Islamist insurgents. They do not fear Barack Obama.

[Adrahil]

114. Hadn't you heard? It's all Obama's fault. NT

[ozone_man]

115. Syrians fear more the "rebels" that are armed by the U.S.,

Saudia Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar. Many of whom are Al Queda. At least the ones who are the best fighters. Syria is a secular state and we are supporting religious fundamentalists to overthrow it. Obama whether explicitly or implicitly is supporting the war. He can stop it by telling these proxy countries to stop arming and sending in "rebels."

[geek tragedy]

116. Thanks for the Assad regimes talking points.

Heard them before, they are still nonsense.

P.S. Rebellion started because Syrians wanted the right to choose their own government, and Assad's psychopathic, murderous thugs gunned them down and started castrating schoolboys. And of course later used poison gas on them.

Jihadis streamed in after that. And no, Obama is not arming Al Qaeda, regardless of what Ron Paul and Assad claim.

[ozone_man]

118. Not directly, but the Al Queda gets the arms eventually.

It is not our business to interfere with another sovereign country, especially to destroy a secular country, so that it becomes a fanatically religious back water. Is Iraq better after we bombed it into the stone age? I think we have enough problems at home to take care of. Obama is no better than Bush in this respect. Well, maybe a little bit, he arms rebels instead of bombing them to smithereens like Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions#Syria_2012.E2.80.93present

Syria 2012–present
Main article: Syrian civil war

In 2012, President Barack Obama authorized U.S. government agencies to support forced regime change in Syria. [163] In July 2012, the Office of Foreign Assets Control authorised channeling financial support for the Free Syrian Army through the Syrian Support Group, a non-governmental organization based in Washington, D.C..[164] In April 2013, the Obama administration promised to double non-lethal aid to the rebels, from US$123 million to US$250 million, thus attaining the goal of US$1 billion in total international aid.[165]

In June 2013, the White House confirmed that the U.S. has "stepped up" its assistance to Syrian rebels.[166] While the State Department was in charge of providing non-lethal aid to the rebels, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was tasked with the supply and delivery of weaponry and other lethal equipment.[167] By early September 2013, the Obama administration considered putting The Pentagon in charge of arming and training Syrian rebel forces because the CIA's previous training program was too limited and too slow.[168]

In October 2013, the CIA ramped up its clandestine effort to train opposition fighters in Syria amid concern that moderate, U.S.-backed militias are rapidly losing ground in the country’s civil war. The program is aimed at increasing the fighting power of units aligned with the Supreme Council of the Syrian Revolution, an umbrella organization led by a former Syrian general that is the main recipient of U.S. support.[169]

[KG]

20. LOL n/t

[Cha]

24. ‘And now Putin is doing just about the same as Hitler.’ that's the direct quote.. and, I just

read around here that the "Daily Mail" is not good source for news.

‘And now Putin is doing just about the same as Hitler.’

[Jesus Malverde]

26. word salads cha

Do they go better with thousand island or vinaigrette...

[Cha]

28. Yeah, you make no sense.

[newthinking]

33. As I mentioned before these kinds of statements look unprofessional and are below good leadership.

FDR, Chamberland, etc would never have used this kind of hyperbole.

[PaulaFarrell]

49. Do you mean Neville Chamberlain?

The one still most regarded as a Nazi, appeaser? To call say someone is like Chamberlain in the UK is a very low blow.

[newthinking]

67. No. Good catch. I meant Churchill

Not sure how Chamberlain got in there. Must have been a "senior moment" lol

[Sunlei]

27. almost worse because of the fetal alcohol disorders that effect his behavior and judgment

Lunatic on the Throne!

[dipsydoodle]

69. Joke remark with no foundation whatsoever.

.

[Sunlei]

85. That wasn't a joke. He has some of the facial features and the behavior of that disorder.

The Russian King has no clothes,
Did Mommy drink vodka?
His face never grew far from his nose.

[hrmjustin]

30. Putin is evil and must be loudly proclaimed so.

[DeSwiss]

73. !

- If we're to proclaim anything, let's start a little closer to home.....


''Judge not, lest ye be judged.''

[hrmjustin]

78. Sorry but our president is not evil.

[RedFury]

92. Why

don't you talk about all your Government's done over just the past 25 years?

[hrmjustin]

95. How do you know I haven't. this thread was about putin and a prince.

[RedFury]

96. And

how his analogy is full of shit.

[hrmjustin]

97. I agree with his analogy.

[DeSwiss]

98. That is truly pathetic. n/t

[hrmjustin]

101. Me or my statement?

[greatauntoftriplets]

31. The Daily Fail.

[Demeter]

34. Shut up Chuck

Your opinion is neither requested nor desired.

[MannyGoldstein]

36. Prince Charles should read history, says Manny

One should have to obtain some sort of license after passing a test before being allowed to speak in public.

[YOHABLO]

50. And you think Prince Charles hasn't had one of the best educations? He's not off the mark on this.

[MannyGoldstein]

51. You can lead a horse to water...

Putin is very different than Hitler.

No, I'm not endorsing Putin.

[Beacool]

81. I think that so do you.

The land grab by Putin is precisely what Hitler did in 1938.

"The German occupation of Czechoslovakia (1938–1945) began with the Nazi annexation of Czechoslovakia's northern and western border regions, known collectively as the Sudetenland, under terms outlined by the Munich Agreement. Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's pretext for this effort was the alleged privations suffered by the ethnic German population living in those regions. New and extensive Czechoslovak border fortifications were also located in the same area."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Czechoslovakia

[MannyGoldstein]

82. And what the US has done many times, too

Doesn't make us Hitler either, does it?

[zeemike]

37. I can't believe so many here support this kind of hyperbole.

Has Big Brother instituted the 2 minute hate and I did not get notified to attend?

Seriously people if you fall for this kind of crap we are finished...and will probably continue this permanent war and wind up like Insoc...and some of us will have a rat cage on our face.

I am glad I am old and feel sorry for our posterity.

[Jesus Malverde]

39. +1

[Skarbrowe]

38. Sad thing is, this time it's not really hyperbole.

From the Summer Festival in Germany in 1938 - to the Sochi Olympics in 2014 that were used to swell both countries with feverish nationalism - to the "annexation" of German speaking countries - (Russian ) to the strict Russian Orthodox religious rules put in place by Putin ( we have yet to see how that is going to effect the Russian people ) all the way to the Aryan blood only under Hitler.

Usually when someone compares someone else to Hitler it is said to advance a weak argument. This time, seriously, this time Putin appears to be using Hitler's handbook. You know the one. No, of course Putin is not doing everything exactly like Hitler, but, in my opinion, he is doing enough for a legit comparison.

Prince Charles' family stayed in London during those dark times and I'm sure her son knows everything there is to know about the horrors of the Third Reich. If Putin doesn't take back all of Ukraine and actually moves his troops back to Russia, maybe then we can stop making scary comparisons.

We will have to wait and see what Putin does when his citizens start breaking his rules. We know many of his people believe homosexuals should be dead. He might do the land grab first, then start filling up the re-education camps. That last statement is obvious hyperbole. heh Putin simply scares me a bit. Weasel face dictator. And to think he has Snowden. Geez.

[Throd]

48. Sometimes people are compared to Hitler for actually behaving like Hitler.

[iamthebandfanman]

43. Disturbing but..

whats also disturbing is the seemingly viral impulse on DU to pick a side in the Ukrainian conflict/unrest when there isn't a 'good' side to cheer for

[Jesus Malverde]

44. Thats for sure...

[yurbud]

47. the way the World didn't confront the US & Britain when we invaded Iraq?

[KG]

71. let us all pretend the US and britain didn't spend the last 10+ yrs invading and occupying soveriegn

nations on phony pretexts...

[DeSwiss]

53. What an asshole.

- Pissoff you fucking toff!

[dipsydoodle]

70. Prince Charles 'compared Russian actions to Nazis'

A former Polish war refugee who met Prince Charles in Canada has said he likened some Nazi actions in Europe to those of Russia's Vladimir Putin.

Marienne Ferguson was speaking after meeting Prince Charles at a Nova Scotia immigration museum where she works.

As they discussed Hitler's takeover of countries, the prince "said something to the effect of 'it's not unlike... what Putin is doing,'" she recalled.

>

The prince is due to meet the Russian president for D-Day anniversary celebrations in France next month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27497899

Expressed differently.

[dembotoz]

75. prince hits the nail on the head

[BeyondGeography]

76. Prince Charles is so bored

[ladjf]

77. Exactly what I've been thinking. nt

[nilesobek]

79. In another thread they compare Putin to Boko Haram,

and now Hitler or Stalin. Next it will be Jeffrey Dahmer or Charlie Manson. Helter Skelter!

[dipsydoodle]

86. Keeps some happy.

Bit like hopscotch or skipping.

[Octafish]

83. Chuckie reveals his inner self.

Ignoring who won the war in Europe, he shows warmongers these days need to depopulate the planet of the mob, not just for the sake of Lebensraum.

[MisterP]

110. naw, they want Bangladesh-leveld densities from Bering to Brunei, Irkutsk to Iquique

and I suspect this is more what happened at Windsor

[enid602]

84. Putin's no Hitler

Putin's a dinosaur, and the Russian Empire is an anachronism. He can't protect his borders from the hordes over the long term. His choice of China as an ally is ironic; I imagine China will be first among the states to carve up Russia. Hell, they could repopulate and fully industrialize all of Russia's Pacific region and Siberia in no time.

[JackRiddler]

88. He missed a better analogy in Tony Blair

Beware the Hitler talk http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024752247

[Jefferson23]

89. Dumb comment. n/t

[Fearless]

100. He's just trying to live up to his predecessors

Mainly Stalin.

[MFrohike]

109. It could be worse

He could have called him Cromwell or Churchill.

[mackerel]

117. That's rich coming from Charles Hanover.