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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,488 posts)
Wed May 21, 2014, 08:38 AM May 2014

National World War II Memorial May Soon Include a Plaque Honoring God

Source: The Friendly Atheist

May 21, 2014 By Hemant Mehta

The National World War II Memorial opened in Washington, D.C. in 2004 and it’s a wonderful tribute to those who risked and gave their lives for our country. ... But you know what it’s missing? ... God.

Two bills currently working their way through Congress — H.R. 2175, introduced by Rep. Bill Johnson (R-OH), and S. 1044, introduced by Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH) — aim to install a prayer plaque somewhere in the area of the monument with the words that President Franklin D. Roosevelt delivered on D-Day, a portion of which is below:
....

The Center For Inquiry, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and six other organizations have written letters to the Senate and House over the past year urging committee members to reconsider this idea:
....

Yesterday, the Subcommittee on Public Lands and Environmental Regulations met to discuss H.R. 2175 and there was nary a discussion about the religious implications of the bill (starting at the 40:00 mark):

Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/05/21/national-world-war-ii-memorial-may-soon-include-a-plaque-honoring-god/



An earlier thread at DU quotes the New Republic:

Take the World War II Memorial—Please!

If architecture is, as Goethe put it, frozen music, then which classical opus is suspended within the granite semicircle of Washington’s National World War II memorial? To me, its bronze eagles, fountain sprays, and triumphal arches perfectly evoke "The Ride of the Valkyries." Not the original piece, made famous in Wagner’s eponymous opera, but the bizarro version screaming over Colonel Kilgore’s loudspeakers in Apocalypse Now: a death-from-above party jam meant to pump up our boys and send Charlie running for the hills. The structure is a pillared crown roast of Riefenstahlian bombast, derided by critics and unnecessarily cluttering space at the foot of the Washington Monument since its 2004 dedication. Perversely, considering its purpose, it is one of the most forgettable tourist stops on the Mall.

Until the government shutdown! When veterans from the Honor Flight program staged their own Occupy movement inside the cordoned-off plaza, their noncompliance quickly became a cause célèbre in the national press. (Why cover the sick kids getting locked out of their government-funded treatment, after all, when beckoned by the siren call of a Republican congressman’s photo op?) Over the weekend, quasi-celebrities Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck returned to the memorial with a trash-pickin’, Confederate-flag-wavin’ cast of thousands (except there was no trash to pick up).
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National World War II Memorial May Soon Include a Plaque Honoring God (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves May 2014 OP
Dear God, please bless our mass killing of other people. fasttense May 2014 #1
Dear God, thank you for our righteous mushroom clouds underpants May 2014 #2
What's it going to say intaglio May 2014 #3
Beat me to it. Nihil May 2014 #16
One's faith must to be awfully tenuous... LeftinOH May 2014 #4
"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." hunter May 2014 #5
God who? KansDem May 2014 #6
Obviously packman May 2014 #8
Thanks KansDem May 2014 #9
Republicans are simply responding to yet another false internet circulating rumor. James48 May 2014 #7
Why? EEO May 2014 #10
Because He started it all ? eppur_se_muova May 2014 #14
This Atheist RobinA May 2014 #11
We always had a WWII memorial, it was the GI Bill Recursion May 2014 #12
For those who believe that God is responsible for victory in WWII, hughee99 May 2014 #13
I must have missed that... What battles did god fight in? Thor_MN May 2014 #15
God is everywhere daleo May 2014 #17
So we should have Memorials for bullets and flamethrowers too? Thor_MN May 2014 #19
Yes, let us build a monument to our ignorance! ... n/t RussBLib May 2014 #18
 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
16. Beat me to it.
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:33 AM
May 2014

Do they *really* want to draw a comparison to other users of "God is with us"
(until he was against us) type of slogans?

And, as noted admirably elsewhere in this thread, there had better be an equal
mention of *every* other name for God on that memorial, not just the one
preferred by wannabe "Christian" politicians.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
4. One's faith must to be awfully tenuous...
Wed May 21, 2014, 09:53 AM
May 2014

...if an engraved reminder stating "God was here" has to be included everywhere. Aren't the faithful supposed to carry the spirit within themselves?

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
8. Obviously
Wed May 21, 2014, 10:37 AM
May 2014

The plaque is honoring Mars,Set, Bast (My favorite - Cat God of the Egyptians associated along with other things, war), Aries, Mars, Oden, Hadun, Kali, and of course, The Valkyries.

For a list of war gods and the cultures associated with them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_deities

So , with all those Gods in all those cultures, what's the fuss?

James48

(4,436 posts)
7. Republicans are simply responding to yet another false internet circulating rumor.
Wed May 21, 2014, 10:23 AM
May 2014

This is what republicans do. They make stuff up, and the circulate on the internet to get their ignorant followers all riled up, then come out with legistation to solve the make-beleive problem.

Read the history of this crap, as it was on SNOPES years and years ago.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/memorial.asp


Oh- wait- right-wingers think SNOPES is a left-wing conspiracy.....


EEO

(1,620 posts)
10. Why?
Wed May 21, 2014, 11:35 AM
May 2014

If this happens I want a plaque honoring Poseidon. Clearly, our rising sea levels and worsening storms at sea are due to us turning our collective back on him.

eppur_se_muova

(36,266 posts)
14. Because He started it all ?
Wed May 21, 2014, 01:36 PM
May 2014

Remember, everything is a part of God's plan, including misguided anarchists assassinating superfluous archdukes. It's all part of His mysterious plan.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
11. This Atheist
Wed May 21, 2014, 12:38 PM
May 2014

thinks it is only right that god be "honored" on this memorial.

If there were, or if you believe there is, an omnipotent, omnipresent god, by definition his fingerprints are all over any war. As the man with the ultimate power, he rightfully has a place on the monument of said war. As God, he shouldn't just get credit for touchdowns, Olympic gold medals, and saving some children in a fiery bus crash while toasting others, he should also be feted for his more far-reaching projects - in this case world war.

And if you don't believe their is a god, well, some people want to honor a mythological presence on a war memorial. God knows, it wouldn't be the only mythology involved with a war memorial.


Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. We always had a WWII memorial, it was the GI Bill
Wed May 21, 2014, 12:48 PM
May 2014

It was explicitly described as suchh.

I used to work for then-Congressman Sonny Montgomery (of the "Montgomery GI Bill" expansion). He was very, very clear on this: the WWII memorial was the GI Bill. It was a living memorial that frankly did more than anything else to create the postwar American middle class.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
13. For those who believe that God is responsible for victory in WWII,
Wed May 21, 2014, 12:49 PM
May 2014

God is also responsible for everyone one of the deaths. Do you really want to honor someone responsible for so many deaths?

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