U.S. Gives Israel More Grenades and Mortar Rounds for Gaza Offensive

[Baclava]

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has allowed Israel, waging an offensive in the Gaza Strip, to tap a local U.S. arms stockpile in the past week to resupply it with grenades and mortar rounds, a U.S. defense official said on Thursday.

The munitions were located inside Israel as part of a program managed by the U.S. military and called War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I), which stores munitions locally for U.S. use that Israel can also access in emergency situations.



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and so it goes

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/us-gives-israel-more-grenades-and-mortar-rounds-gaza-offensive-262221

[Fred Sanders]

1. Maybe more accurate GPS targeting for the American supplied long range artillery that put two

rounds so accurately onto the roof of a UN school sanctuary? For which they had the coordinates?

[billhicks76]

17. EVIL

They are launching bombs into the most densely populated place on earth. And people wonder why terrorists want to attack us? 911 was a sucker game facilitated by the neocons. They got wind if what was being planned with their hundred billion dollar surveillance apparatus and then made sure it went off without a hitch to get us here. Oil, money and power. Frankly I'm sick of the small minds that cannot fathom such a sequence of events but hey I don't understand the stupidity of the Tea Party either. We are all paying for this mass murder. Karma is real people.

[Lars39]

27. Coordinates given to them *17* times by the UN!

Last edited Thu Jul 31, 2014, 07:04 AM - Edit history (1)

[stranger81]

45. I think the UN should stop giving them coordinates.

It's pretty clear from what Israeli spokespersons have been saying on the news the last few days that, because rockets were once found by UN personnel in a closed school and destroyed, Israel considers all UN faciliites in Gaza to be fair game as targets.

It also seems clear that, whenever the UN gives Israel coordinates for a civilian shelter in Gaza, that facility ends up on some kind of target list. Giving them the coordinates just seems to be helping them in their efforts to slaughter innocents.

[BenFranklin99]

2. What war?

This is a pogrom in a ghetto, not a war. Wars are not one-sided slaughters in which the great majority of the dead are civilians. This is state terrorism.

[Baclava]

4. What war? Why, the War Against the Jews!

I thought you were paying attention...

[HooptieWagon]

3. More dead babies needed to feed the MIC monster. nt

[4now]

5. Shame on US

Children are being killed because no US politician has the guts to stand up to the Israeli lobby.
Our leaders make me ashamed to be a Democrat.

[Fred Sanders]

6. And all the media can talk about is the bad "optics". What is with seeing truth as the enemy?

Gutless, all of them, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren...do we really know who you are?

[hatrack]

15. Those damned Gazans - so "telegenically dead", doncha know?

on this spineless, steaming mound of . . . . politics-as-usual.

[Roy Serohz]

7. Gaza, the new WRSA Ghetto

We should all hang our heads in shame.

[Fred Sanders]

8. I said the same two weeks ago, the vicious attacks by the anti-Semite police was pathetic.

[Roy Serohz]

18. Meet me in General Discussion, before the following gets hidden

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025314636

[Billy Budd]

46. one has to be very careful criticizing Israel

I did and they put every single post of mine for days to Jury. Even on topics not having to do with Israel they put all my posts up to the Jury and lied to the jury about what I had posted ...be careful because Israel a topic that exposes one to censorship. There is no appeal to Jury and there are no rules of evidence. In my case I posted an article by an author and they attributed to that Author [Paul Craig Roberts] a racist quote by Pat Buchanan....several jurors cited that in their votes to censor....there are people here on DU who know how to use the Jury system to shut up people....

[MFM008]

76. and your both right.

all it takes is reading about the two. Makes me sick, Israel used to be a moral example. I pray they find themselves again.

[theHandpuppet]

9. But it is an emergency situation!

They haven't blown up enough little kids yet and were running out of ammo.

[McCamy Taylor]

10. Was this before or after we condemned them?

[Baclava]

19. Well, like I said, the elections are coming up, and the Jewish vote must be cultivated.

The New York Congressional delegation, as well as NYC elected officials, joined Monday afternoon 10 thousand New Yorkers gathered at a mass ‘New York Stands with Israel’ rally at the Dag Hammarskjold Plaza in Midtown Manhattan.

Thousands Descend on Manhattan to Rally for Israel



http://observer.com/2014/07/thousands-descend-on-manhattan-to-rally-for-israel/

[oberliner]

21. You have no idea what you are talking about

1. The Jewish vote is miniscule and is concentrated in only a handful of states.

2. Jewish voters rank Israel very low on the list of factors impacting their vote

[Baclava]

26. "The Jewish vote is miniscule"

Really?

Hollywood donations and Diamond Merchants in NYC don't count?

U.S. Presidential Elections: Jewish Voting Record

2012

Romney (R) 30

Obama (D) 69

2008

McCain (R) 22

Obama (D) 78

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

[freshwest]

63. Looks like this stuff was there for years. Now they're using the old stuff.

This is not part of Reid's recent bill for the Iron Dome, their defense system, not mortars or grenades. They are not giving anything new. I doubt they will fund any new offensive weaponry. Israel will have to clean its act up and that is going to take a long time after they've been condemned. They're killing themselves with these acts.

[Comrade Grumpy]

11. We are complicit in this crime against humanity. The blood is on our hands, too.

[albino65]

20. That is so true n/t

[easychoice]

25. Not Complicit.WE enabled this crap for the last 60 years.

The Government of the United States is responsible.Not the citizens.The Government.

[candelista]

70. Did you really have a say in this?

You said "we." But did you or I ever have a choice about this?

[KoKo]

12. Disgusting...I guess it was surplus stuff from Iraq/Afghanistan...that

we had lying around and to hard to ship into our other theaters of war or to send back to USA.

Who the hell is advising him? Do we need this kind of news as Democrats? What does this make us think?

Sorry...Forgot...Not a "Third Way" or old "DLC" kind of Democrat. I forget we FDR Type Dems are "Under the Bus." Shouldn't have even commented.

[L0oniX]

14. Yea ...we're supposed to just shut up and vote Dem no matter what.

[DeSwiss]

32. I see you didn't get the memo......

...Democrats are now 80's Republicans. I understand you can get an upgrade but they have to take out your conscience to install it.

- And they don't put it back......

[L0oniX]

13. Well they have that 40% DMZ. They have to clear out all the children?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Did they run out????

[yuiyoshida]

22. PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A REPUBLICAN

IDEA... Some blood thirsty Rambo/Ronald Regan type wanted them to have more arms? I guess they want to wipe out the entire Palestinian population.

[DeSwiss]

33. Yep.

- Here he is.....

[NealK]

39. +1000

[bluedigger]

23. Not very useful for destroying tunnels.

Send them some of these instead.

[Nihil]

67. I imagine that would also make a mess of any remaining school or hospital in Gaza ...

... when dropped from 1000' or more ...

[oldandhappy]

24. Nooooooooooo!

Money gets its way. I am temporarily discouraged. Will be back on the offensive in the morning, smile.

[JEB]

28. I don't make a lot of money, but I pay my taxes.

I wonder how many children my tax dollars have killed?

[Baclava]

29. Children killed around the world in the last 20 years?

Enough to populate a generation ark to send to another star.

We're wasting time...it's going to our only hope soon

[DRoseDARs]

30. No doubt a sternly-worded letter was taped to the shipping crate.

eom

[QuestForSense]

31. The U.S. criticizes Israel's shelling of Gaza, then immediately resupplies its weaponry.

This, in addition to almost $3 billion annually in military aid, which is likely to increase shortly. Is there really any mystery why anger against the U.S. has turned to rage and we are viewed as the Great Satan?

We are forced by a compliant media to listen daily to every republican nutcase whine their 'talking points' about not wanting their tax dollars spent on feeding the poor, aiding the veterans, helping the sick, fixing our economy, etc., but has anyone heard one complaint against having their tax dollars wasted on war, on killing? Support for Israel or any other country should be moral and (to be as charitable as possible) not straddle the fence like this.

[AtheistCrusader]

34. Your tax dollars at work.

(Slaughtering human beings)

[DeSwiss]

35. I must say that this does not surprise me......

...in the least. From the man who is responsible for all these and much more.

What surprises me is that we used to be a country that would take to the streets in defiance of our name being bloodied this way. We're paying for those bullets, grenades and bombs.

WE ARE.

- I guess we must think they deserve it. And us too.

Since we're next.

K&R


[center]''Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.''[/center]

[kath]

36. YAY! The U.S. helping Israel blow up more schools!!

[frylock]

37. fucking awesome

[AnalystInParadise]

38. Giving material aid to an

ally during a time of conflict. I can't understand anyone against the U.S. and PBO's government aiding our allies. There are good guys and bad guys and thank God that Harry Reid, PBO, Barbara Boxer and others in our caucus recognize who the good guys are.

[NealK]

40. In what Parallel universe do you live?

Good guys my ass.

[AnalystInParadise]

41. I live in this universe

Am Yisrael Chai...........

And since PBO and our caucus is sending Israel 2.7 billion more dollars in military aid, logic dictates that the Israelis are the good guys. Unless you are claiming something about our President and our Senators........

[U4ikLefty]

42. Your "good guys" did the above to those children

and their blood is on your hands...sleep well in your universe

[AnalystInParadise]

43. I plan on sleeping very well

I saw worse in Iraq. And unfortunately if you lob hundreds of rockets at a nation there is going to be retaliation. I imagine had Hamas not launched rockets for weeks on end into Israel those kids would not be dead now. But you don't want to see the cause and effect of it all, you just want to bash Israel.

[U4ikLefty]

47. You are displaying cruelty & ignorance. See number 3)

for a reply to your ignorant "rockets " talking point. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025310414

I wonder your reaction if those were Israeli children in those picture...you know a little whiter than them "hajjis"

[AnalystInParadise]

49. Since I am Hispanic

I would care less if they were white. I do love the DU racial Olympics though where if anyone has a differing opinion they must be white or something along those lines.

And no I am displaying nothing of the sort. I feel for those dead children and their families. But the fact of the matter is that those children would be alive is Hamas did not fire rockets into Israel. Come at me all day if you want to, but that is pretty damn close to factual truth. If Hamas did not fire into Israel, those kids would not be dead.


Cause: Hamas fires rockets into Israel
Effect: Israel (like any nation) defends itself and people die.

Don't like dead kids, don't fire rockets into Israel or support those who do. That is not being ignorant or cruel. That is living in the real grown up world where every action has a reaction.

[U4ikLefty]

56. Israel attacked because of the Palestine unity government not because of "the rockets". Ignorant.

"Don't like dead kids, don't..." Cruel.

"real grown up world" My ass.

[AnalystInParadise]

57. Yeah that's why

Had nothing to do with the hundreds of rockets.......Sure, of course your argument pulled out of nowhere makes sense and my argument pulled from the facts is wrong. Bottom line, Hamas does not fire rockets, kids don't die. Unless you are going to spin some tale where those rockets had nothing to do with this.

[U4ikLefty]

60. See post 47. BTW, Israel claimed they were going in because of those "kidnapped" teenagers.

It was a lie.

Bottom line, Israel doesn't bomb Gaza & children don't die. Like I said cruel & ignorant.

I'm done, you are just playing a broken record an a bad one at that.

[AnalystInParadise]

62. LOL

usually people run away when the facts interrupt their fantasy.

Hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas have led to dead kids. Hamas doesn't fire rockets kids don't die, but that interferes with your narrative of evil Jews.

[AnalystInParadise]

58. Charts also help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014

So before July of this year
207 Total attacks by Hamas on Israel

1 retaliatory strikes by Israel

So that gives us a ratio of 207:1 Palestinian attacks versus Israeli ones....but yeah Israel did none of this because of rocket attacks.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

48. What did you do in Iraq?

You saw worse? You don't seem at all concerned about these slaughtered children. I ask again, what did you do in Iraq?

[AnalystInParadise]

50. Which time in Iraq?

Multiple tours slightly different job each time, so which time are you asking about.

You want to make this about dead kids, sorry if I don't want to take your bait. The truth is those kids would be alive and well if Hamas did not fire hundreds of rockets into Israel. We can go back and forth all day, I prefer to live in the factual logical world where kids don't die if Hamas does not fire rockets into Israel. Civilians should not be targeted but I have been deployed enough in my twenty year military career to know that anytime you put rounds downrange you are likely going to hit innocents. It sucks, and it will always suck, but that is the nature of war.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

52. The time that made you so callous about dead children, which IS what this is about.

If you're inclined, that's the part I want to hear about.

[AnalystInParadise]

55. You say potato I say potatoe

I don't consider myself callous, but I also refuse to excuse Hamas for causing all of this. Dead kids are Hamas' fault. Had they not been launching rockets into Israel day after day, week after week, those kids are not dead. I frankly am stunned at your callousness to use dead kids to push your agenda. That's what is so callous and disturbing.

As for my time in Iraq, I was an Intelligence Analyst. Had to review every AAR of engagements, collateral damage, etc. I have seen worse unfortunately. But at the end of the day, Israel is still the good guys. Had Hamas not launched those rockets for so long these kids would still be alive. Or do you think differently?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. I think very differently. I believe that if the IDF hadn't killed them,

...those children would still be alive.

[AnalystInParadise]

61. So Hamas is innocent

Must be an interesting universe you live where the guilty are innocent and those responding to aggression are guilty. Glad I and my family don't live in your funhouse mirror universe.

[dead_head]

69. That kinda talk remind me

of terrorists. You people tried to kill my people so I will kill a shit load of innocent people in retaliation. That's how terrorists talk.

[AnalystInParadise]

71. That's how nations

react to being attacked. YMMV

[NealK]

44. Lol!

You're very ignorant about all the dictatorchips the U.S have sent money and weapons to so they could massacre and torture innocent people. Sadam was armed to the teeth by the U.S. By your "logic" they were all good guys.

[AnalystInParadise]

51. Saddam was a good guy

until he became a bad guy.

I am ignorant of nothing, in the real world we support less than desirable people to get U.S. interests fulfilled. We always have and we always will. Every President in the 20th century has blood on their hands from "allies" they supported that were not good people. I advise you to join me in the real world where good guys today become bad guys tomorrow if it suits our national interests. That is not some rant, that is reality, read a book or watch some documentaries. For now, Israel is the good guys for us. Our national policies toward them reflect this as truth. If it changes, then they become the bad guys. But listening to PBO, Harry Reid and Barbara Boxer, I don't think they will become bad guys in our national mindset anytime soon.

[NealK]

73. Nice word salad.

"we support less than desirable people to get U.S. interests fulfilled." I see. Goodbye Mr Fashismo. It's clear that empathy is not part of your vocabulary.

[AnalystInParadise]

79. Ironically empathy

and tolerance aren't really big for Hamas either, but that doesn't stop you from supporting monsters.

[EX500rider]

72. "Saddam was armed to the teeth by the U.S."

Nonsense, the Iraqi military had soviet designed weapons, tanks and planes.
And the poison gas came from German designed plants made for insecticide that were dual use capable.

[NealK]

74. Whatever little dude.

[EX500rider]

75. Gosh-glad you came back and showed me!

Really, point to one weapon system that was western in Iraq's Hussein era....

Ak-47's
T-72's
Migs...etc

All Russian/Soviet supplied.

[Scootaloo]

53. You define your ethics by what a political party does?

Gross.

[AnalystInParadise]

54. Distortions are fun

No I define my ethics by right and wrong. Fortunately for me the Democratic Party is also on the side of the good guys.

[Nihil]

68. The rest of the world already "recognize who the good guys are" ...

> I can't understand anyone against the U.S. and PBO's government aiding our allies.
> There are good guys and bad guys and thank God that Harry Reid, PBO, Barbara Boxer
> and others in our caucus recognize who the good guys are.

"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the
political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important
for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy
of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State."

History doesn't really change anything except the colours of the uniforms and the flags
they wear upon them.

[ann---]

64. Shame

on America. It's okay for Israel to "defend" itself with these sophisticated weapons, but not okay for the Palestinians to defend itself against occupation and terrorism with rockets. What's wrong with this picture?

[cpwm17]

65. Israel has been given a license to murder

Israel is allowed to endlessly bully the Palestinians in the worst way, with many of the offenses far worse than the revenge rockets that the Palestinians fire back, but when the Palestinians do fire some rockets back, Israel has a right to obliterate them. And this is in a conflict that Israel started. What's wrong with people?

[democrank]

66. Interesting how support for Israel always seems to start at the Hamas rocket-firing point.

Like Israel was a perfect world citizen until those rockets were fired. Why never a mention of the occupation? I imagine that stirred things up a bit. Can you imagine Americans sitting idly by if we were being occupied? This conflict didn`t start with rockets being fired. Let`s tell the whole story.

[BillZBubb]

77. And the American people wonder why the Muslims hate us--It ain't because of our freedoms.

[indepat]

78. What does supplying advanced weaponry to more efficiently kill brown men, women, and children

with ruthless, reckless, and wanton abandon say about us as a people, as a nation?