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(396 posts)
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 09:59 AM Aug 2014

Missouri police 'shoot second man' in city where teenager was killed

Source: The Guardian

A second man has been shot by police in the Missouri city where an unarmed black 18-year-old was shot dead last weekend, according to multiple reports.

Police officials told local reporters that the man was shot in Ferguson by a St Louis County officer after pointing a handgun at him soon after 1am on Wednesday, following fresh demonstrations over the death on Saturday of Michael Brown.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/missouri-police-shoot-man-city-teenager-killed

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Missouri police 'shoot second man' in city where teenager was killed (Original Post) tea and oranges Aug 2014 OP
Anonymous is now involved!!! freebrew Aug 2014 #1
Great news! Time for a line in the sand. Enough. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2014 #3
I always get goosebumps watching Anonymous videos damnedifIknow Aug 2014 #5
Defacing a website does not affect change fbc Aug 2014 #6
You clearly did not listen clearly or completely to the video. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #9
This was AFTER leftynyc Aug 2014 #13
Well done, Anonymous. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #7
gawd!!! Howler Aug 2014 #10
And given the state of our Police Force today - why should we believe anything they say? jwirr Aug 2014 #2
We Can't! tea and oranges Aug 2014 #4
Here is a link to local news reporting KeepItReal Aug 2014 #8
how come the 17 year old kid is now an 18 year old black man? 2pooped2pop Aug 2014 #11
"Kid" versus "man" is a matter of PR. Igel Aug 2014 #12
Fantastic post. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #14
Who needs wars in other countries. We have one right here. L0oniX Aug 2014 #15
The arms dealers always tea and oranges Aug 2014 #16


(3,183 posts)
5. I always get goosebumps watching Anonymous videos
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 10:31 AM
Aug 2014

It's like the Lone Ranger riding into town to save the day.



(1,668 posts)
6. Defacing a website does not affect change
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 10:41 AM
Aug 2014

Don't get me wrong, I support their desire to do something to help. But I fail to see how website vandalism helps at all.


(60,010 posts)
9. You clearly did not listen clearly or completely to the video.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 10:54 AM
Aug 2014

HERE is the complete statement:
I have emphasized the elements of their plans to "do something to help"

Greetings world, we are Anonymous.

On August 9th in Ferguson, Missouri the 17 year old and unarmed Mike Brown was shot several times and killed by an officer of the Ferguson Police Department. His body was left to lie in a pool of blood in the sweltering heat for hours while 15 police departments militarized the area against protesters, sealed the roads leading to Ferguson in a vain attempt to prevent protesters from reaching the city. The police has clearly crossed a line in the sand.

For this reason Anonymous will not be satisfied this time, as we have in the past - with simply obtaining justice for this young man and his family.
Anonymous demands that the Congressional Representatives and Senators from Missouri introduce legislation entitled "Mike Brown's Law" that will set strict national standards for police conduct and misbehaviour in the USA.

To the good people of Ferguson, take heart - and take your streets. You are not alone, we will support you in every way possible. Occupy every square inch of your city. Demand justice, staying silent today could result in the death of your kid tomorrow.

To the Ferguson Police Department and any other jurisdictions who are deployed to the protests: we are watching you very closely. If you abuse, harass - or harm in any way the protesters in Ferguson we will take every web based asset of your departments and governments off line.
That is not a threat, it is a promise.
Attacking the protesters will result in
the release of personal information on every single member of the Ferguson Police Department, as well as any other jurisdiction that participates in the abuse of this States own law
. We will seize all your databases and E-Mail spools and dump them on the Internet.
This is your first and last warning.

The time has come for more than simple justice for these atrocities. The time has come to draw a line in the sand. The time has come to bring those to justice, who served to protect us, not kill us.

Until justice prevails, hack and protest will replace it.

Operation Ferguson engaged.

We Are Anonymous.
We Are Legion.
We do Not Forgive.
We do Not Forget.
Ferguson, Expect us.



(26,060 posts)
13. This was AFTER
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:32 AM
Aug 2014

they got blowback from threatening the police chief with publicizing his daughter's name if they didn't name the cop. Good thing they realized that extortion really wouldn't help anyone or anything.



(5,420 posts)
11. how come the 17 year old kid is now an 18 year old black man?
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:11 AM
Aug 2014

Cause an 18 year old black man sounds so much more dangerous and legal than a 17 year old kid?


(35,113 posts)
12. "Kid" versus "man" is a matter of PR.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:25 AM
Aug 2014

When you emphasize the cruelty and meanness of the police, they shot a poor, unarmed, kid.

When you emphasize the bravery and dignity, his personal merit, then he's a man.

You use whichever makes your rhetorical task easier. Complicating this kind of rhetorical word choice is the utter inability of many sources to use the word "boy." I guess "minor". Too often that shows up as "underaged minor," which is unnecessarily redundant (can you have an "underaged adult"? An "adult minor"? Sure, there are emancipated minors, but that leads to a whole different terminological thicket.)

It was the same way during the Iraq War when some girl was, IIRC, raped, killed, and her body burned to try to hide the crime. She was a girl when sympathy was needed, as it usually was, but at times when her dignity and self-worth was important she was honorarily spotted 4 years and termed a "woman". In other cases, 14-year-old girls make really important life decisions--abortion being a notable example. In this case to call them "girls" is usually seen as an insult, a way of disempowering the "woman".

With Michael Brown there was a bit more spin. He was heading off, news reports said, to some "college." This was a good thing, and showed he was smart and working to overcome his situation through higher ed. While his friends were going off on sports scholarships, he was just going to attend college. Since I'd never heard of it I checked. It's one of those private "vocational/technical" institutes with dozens of local branches to train pepole in everything from being a dental assistant to a HVAC repairman. In other contexts these are unmeritorious scams out to delude people and provide no education; but when necessary, it's suddenly an important educational resource.

A lot of people make such choices unconsciously. Some make them consciously. Some spot the rhetorical devices used in audience manipulation.

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