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tea and oranges

(396 posts)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:22 AM Oct 2014

Size of minority population impacts states' prison rates, study finds

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Source: Science Daily

Summary:
States with a large minority population tend to incarcerate more people, research has concluded. States with large African-American populations are more likely to have harsher incarceration practices, worse conditions of confinement and tougher policies toward juveniles compared with other states. These findings, experts say, provide support for long-standing arguments that the criminal justice system is used as a mechanism for controlling members of the population who are perceived as threats because of race.

...The authors found that less generous welfare spending is a dominant driver of greater state punitiveness in terms of political and symbolic punishment, such as greater use of "three strikes" laws and the death penalty. This, they said, suggested that states may decide whether to deal with marginalized populations through the penal system or the welfare system. In addition, states with lower rates of poverty were also more punitive in the area of political and symbolic punishment, the authors found.

Regarding incarceration practices, higher levels of citizen engagement and higher rates of property crime are associated with less punitiveness, the authors said. States with a large African-American population tend to have more punitive incarceration practices. The violent crime rate was a significant and positive driver of punishments for "immorality" crimes, such as prostitution, gambling and drug abuse on the theory that doing so acts as a deterrent against more serious crimes. For juvenile justice, states with a higher violent crime rate and states with a larger African-American population were likely to have more punitive policies, the study said.

Read more: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141014114748.htm?utm_source=feedburner



Damning stuff! For full outrage, read entire article at link!
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Size of minority population impacts states' prison rates, study finds (Original Post) tea and oranges Oct 2014 OP
What an interesting coincidence. EEO Oct 2014 #1
Needed a study for this? Can't just count? jtuck004 Oct 2014 #2
Does this surprise you? candelista Oct 2014 #3
The study? No. Igel Oct 2014 #6
Absolutely Not! tea and oranges Oct 2014 #7
Well, this story is not exactly "Man Bites Dog" type material. candelista Oct 2014 #8
ooohhhh! heaven05 Oct 2014 #4
Several things. First this is no surprise. Second, my reason for being against the death penalty jwirr Oct 2014 #5
In other news, water is wet. But yeah, good, if enraging, data. n/t TygrBright Oct 2014 #9
Locking... LBN is limited to news no greater than 12 hours old.. hlthe2b Oct 2014 #10

EEO

(1,620 posts)
1. What an interesting coincidence.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:28 AM
Oct 2014
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. Needed a study for this? Can't just count?
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:30 AM
Oct 2014

It's not like we don't all know anyway. Important issue, this.

Someone let me know if the white folk want to end it, since they are the only ones that can. Hasn't seemed to be a whole lot of interest in it, especially among the white folk.

Hey, is Dancing With the Bores on tonight?
 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
3. Does this surprise you?
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:30 AM
Oct 2014

Igel

(35,113 posts)
6. The study? No.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:51 AM
Oct 2014

That pepole take a possible inference about the data, that it shows what "drives" policy as fact, I guess it should. But I'm used to that kind of deficit so it's just more of the same.

The first assumption is that racial demographics are random and therefore uncoupled from any other social dynamic. The first assumption is false. Demographics aren't random but correlated with other social factors.

When you exclude all other possible factors, you have to assume that the only one remaining is true. The problem is excluding all other possible factors not because they're shown to not be factors but because they're inconvenient to showing what you want to show. Then it's all just a matter of belief.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
7. Absolutely Not!
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 12:33 PM
Oct 2014

I just have a thing for hearing/reading stuff outside my own head.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
8. Well, this story is not exactly "Man Bites Dog" type material.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 12:35 PM
Oct 2014
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
4. ooohhhh!
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:31 AM
Oct 2014

big surprise.......

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. Several things. First this is no surprise. Second, my reason for being against the death penalty
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:47 AM
Oct 2014

still stands. Third, the idea of deterrence has never worked. Finally, immorality - Calvinist religion - being poor is caused by being sinful. Calvinists are wrong. They should spend some time looking at the immorality of the rich.

TygrBright

(20,703 posts)
9. In other news, water is wet. But yeah, good, if enraging, data. n/t
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 02:06 PM
Oct 2014

hlthe2b

(101,317 posts)
10. Locking... LBN is limited to news no greater than 12 hours old..
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 02:17 PM
Oct 2014

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