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Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:34 AM

Charleston Daily Mail fires writer who called Michael Brown an animal that was put down

Source: JimRomenesko.com

Charleston Daily Mail has fired Don Surber over his blog post calling Michael Brown an “animal” that was put down.

Editor and publisher Brad McElhinny says of his dismissed staffer:

He selected words that were unfortunate, inflammatory and, in our view, inexcusable.

It’s his own blog, but still, he’s known as a Daily Mail editorial columnist and many readers seemed to perceive the views stated to reflect on the Daily Mail’s editorial policy.

They don’t. And this newspaper is working to rebuild the community’s trust.


Read more: http://jimromenesko.com/2014/10/30/charleston-daily-mail-fires-editorial-writer-who-called-michael-brown-an-animal-that-was-put-down/

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Reply Charleston Daily Mail fires writer who called Michael Brown an animal that was put down (Original post)
Newsjock Oct 2014 OP
notrightatall Oct 2014 #1
Newsjock Oct 2014 #2
randys1 Oct 2014 #3
heaven05 Oct 2014 #14
randys1 Oct 2014 #15
heaven05 Oct 2014 #22
randys1 Oct 2014 #25
heaven05 Oct 2014 #30
robbob Oct 2014 #38
randys1 Oct 2014 #40
heaven05 Oct 2014 #41
noiretextatique Oct 2014 #17
randys1 Oct 2014 #20
calimary Oct 2014 #23
heaven05 Oct 2014 #42
logosoco Oct 2014 #26
Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #37
LynneSin Oct 2014 #4
sinkingfeeling Oct 2014 #5
n2doc Oct 2014 #6
sakabatou Oct 2014 #7
thesquanderer Oct 2014 #9
3auld6phart Oct 2014 #10
sakabatou Oct 2014 #11
calimary Oct 2014 #24
cheapdate Oct 2014 #8
ashling Oct 2014 #13
brentspeak Oct 2014 #18
cheapdate Oct 2014 #28
heaven05 Oct 2014 #31
savalez Oct 2014 #34
heaven05 Oct 2014 #12
americannightmare Oct 2014 #16
appalachiablue Oct 2014 #45
americannightmare Oct 2014 #47
appalachiablue Nov 2014 #49
dembotoz Oct 2014 #19
malthaussen Oct 2014 #21
Enthusiast Oct 2014 #27
Adenoid_Hynkel Oct 2014 #29
savalez Oct 2014 #33
Adenoid_Hynkel Oct 2014 #35
savalez Oct 2014 #36
vlyons Oct 2014 #32
MontyPow Oct 2014 #39
GreydeeThos Oct 2014 #43
happyslug Oct 2014 #44
Cha Oct 2014 #46
Marrah_G Nov 2014 #48

Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:37 AM

1. How about the editor who allowed it to run??

 

He/she should have went first.

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Response to notrightatall (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:39 AM

2. It wasn't in the newspaper

It was in the writer's own blog, which meant that it didn't have to go through the editors.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:40 AM

3. Tens of millions of Americans agree with the "animal" comment...I know, you are all sick of me

Constantly saying tens of millions but I say it because each time we hear a story like this we contextualize it in such a way that the comment or behavior by the person is in some way out of the mainstream or unusual or something to be jolted or surprised by.

NO

There are so many people out there who refer to our First Lady as Manchelle, who instantly assume ANY minority arrested for ANY reason is absolutely guilty, who assume all minorities bearing witness to a crime scene are all lying, etc.

It would be one thing if the right of this country was ONLY corrupt and thieves, which they are, or ONLY bigots and racists and intolerant hating assholes, which they are, but they are all these things and more.


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Response to randys1 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:21 PM

14. Not sick here

 

have more faith that people understand and definitely agree with you. Just be careful with wording. You can offend some people here very easily with ANY type of truth. To be effective for the ones who need it, wording is everything. I had to learn that here. Not dilute the message, that only helps the offenders feel justified, just words that are carefully chosen. Use language against them.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:34 PM

15. Yeah, I know the hard way also, many have come after me here and everywhere

Problem is mainstream people need to demand the bigots and thieves be shamed, and we never demand that.

Until we agree that certain attitudes and behavior simply isnt acceptable, we will all be behind the eight ball.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:46 PM

22. as you say

 

many millions of people simply cannot stomach the objectionable racism and bigotry that came out in the open in 2008. Yet it was not unexpected by me. Been fighting these idiotic and ignorant type of people for 51 years. Been demanding my human dignity for the same. I will keep fighting. I hope you do also. Actually with your passion for what is right, you're a cue ball knocking the hell out of ignorance and stupidity as exhibited by the open and not so open racists and bigots. They won't realize it till you run the table. One of my favorite games.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:05 PM

25. What a wild and crazy and funny and unique picture you painted there, so thanks AND

I love to play the game.

Wanna hear funny story? The best I ever played I was living in Jackson Hole, WY running whitewater raft trips down the Snake River, well mostly driving the bus but I got a few trips in and down the road was a beer and wine bar with several tables.

One night I was tending bar as we kind of took turns back then, in this place called Hoback Junction

http://www.jacksonholenet.com/nearby_towns/hoback_junction.php

and I happened to have, how do we say, smoked a joint before I played, and I ran the table on challenger after challenger.



I have not done it since, something about the stars aligning that night, I bet the pot helped.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:21 PM

30. great one

 

I bet you're right. Keep on keepin' on.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:26 PM

38. Would love to play some 8 ball with you randy!

I am passionate about the game. Running the table is definitely the sign of an experienced played. If you're ever in Montreal on a Thursday night come to the Barfly, best little dive on the plateau and put your name up on the chalk board. Just look for "Doctor Rob" as they call me, usually around 11pm. We'll play some pool before and after getting high and see if it makes a difference!

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Response to robbob (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:30 PM

40. LOL, i might go right to sleep LOL

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Response to robbob (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:14 PM

41. I will also

 

thanks for the info.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:38 PM

17. this a truth that many don't want to hear

some prefer the "few random assholes" meme to the truth. there are many people in america who agree with this person, and some of them call themselves democrats. some even post here.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:41 PM

20. Yep, and we all need to stop fearing these people, whether it is on DU or at your job

or school or wherever.

Some of these disgusting people hold power over decent people either through employment or whatever, it is then when you fully come to realize just how bad they are.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:00 PM

23. Nope. Not sick of your warnings - at all. Because - REPETITION.

We have to start doing more of it ourselves. A LOT MORE OF IT. Something I learned in radio, and I see it cloned all over the place especially throughout the evil broadcasting empire - the Excrement In Broadcasting network and Pox Noise and wherever the noxious gas giants hold forth and blight the earth and the public's airwaves. Repeat, repeat, repeat. DRIVE HOME THE MESSAGE as if by pile-driver. As if by broken record. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. That's how we start to break through the brainwashing. There's a big fat void in the brains of the idiots and the gullibles out there who believe it's just fine for somebody else to do their thinking for them. Especially if they believe God is somehow involved in that godless belief system. Actually, it's more like a FALSE-god belief system.

WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT REPEATING OUR MESSAGE????? And repeating the advocacy and the facts and the instructive illumination of TRUTH into their darkness? I think the problem is that we haven't been repeating it ENOUGH!!!!

We still have too many people on our side who think you just say it once and that's all you need. You put it on the record (sort of our version of a sick, distorted, chuck-todd-think) and that'll be that. I have become nauseous listening and watching as our people consistently fall back on "the American People will SEE! They'll KNOW! They'll SEE how it's going and they'll SEE how they're being screwed, and ..." The sad truth is - they WON'T. They just WON'T. They CAN'T! Not with all that oppositional toxic sludge being pumped into their lizard brains through their eyes and ears. They can't possibly "SEE" or "KNOW" when they're being force-fed everything but the truth and the facts. A solid, constant diet of toxic spin will lead to anemic, dumbed-down, more-gullible, more-naive, more ill-informed, more ignorant (and then the bad guys keep putting such a shine on it - wrapping it all up in nice shiny American flag wrapping paper with the Cross and the Bible as package decorations - that one actually becomes PROUD of that ignorance and embraces it as though one's very life depends on it).

Joe Madison has been a big offender in that. I've actually heard that "... but the American People will SEE!" crap coming out of his mouth on multiple occasions. Yep, that's what we need, Joe. More dancing down the garden path. They're fuckin' STUPID, Joe, and they HAVE TO BE REEDUCATED, REHABILITATED, RESCUED AND RECLAIMED. We need an INTERVENTION, Joe, not just more pablum that gives more credit to the know-nothings than they'll EVER deserve - because they've ceded their brains and their reasoning power and their objective thinking and judgment TO THE DARK SIDE.

Don't EVER EVER EVER make the mistake of assuming that "the American People will SEE!" They WON'T. Assuming that "the American People will KNOW!" With all that pounding and pushing from the Dark Side, pushing against us AND those same "American People" - NO WAY will those American People either see OR know. UNLESS WE PUSH BACK, AND KEEP DOING IT ALL THE TIME, 24/7/365. And it unfortunately IS up to US. Do you want to leave it to the DNC and just count on them to take care of it? Yeah, leave it to Miss Beltway-Only Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and all her little Beltway-Only friends. I think their problem is that they assume the same stupid mistaken shit that Joe Madison does. And they couldn't be more naive OR wrong.

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Response to calimary (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:16 PM

42. wow!!!+1000

 

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Response to randys1 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:06 PM

26. That is a very good point, and something I tend to forget.

I enjoy the folks here at DU so much, and I feel so connected to the outside world (I am a stay at home grandma!) and I like to think of the world out there as full of DUers, but, alas, it is not. And there are probably more bigots and generic assholes than I want to think about.

I am glad this paper fired the guy. Any paper needs to be in the present, and those views are going to die out (someday, I hope!)

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Response to randys1 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:54 PM

37. I think you need to turn off the a TV

While I'm sure many pele think the shooting was justified, I doubt you could find millions of people who view it with that type of vulgarity.

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Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:42 AM

5. I'm pleased with that action.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:43 AM

6. Good.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:52 AM

7. Good

Who the hell allowed it to run, though?

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:56 AM

9. IT DID NOT RUN IN THE PAPER (N/T)

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:01 PM

10. Re-read

As stated in a couple of other posts,it was Subers own blog.Therefore no editor can touch
the jerks thoughts/posts.Stay cool.

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Response to 3auld6phart (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:03 PM

11. Got it.

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Response to 3auld6phart (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:03 PM

24. Welcome to DU, 3auld6phart!

Glad you're here! Must say I'm intrigued by your screen name...

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:52 AM

8. Hey asshole, "...unfortunate, inflammatory and, in our view, inexcusable" doesn't begin to cover it.

The comments were so vile, so cruel, and so immoral as to shock the conscience of any decent human being. Gaaagh!

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:16 PM

13. +1

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:38 PM

18. Think you're getting mad at the wrong person n/t

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:16 PM

28. I think I'm justified.

What was said was more than simply "unfortunate" and demands a much more forceful repudiation than what was given.

"...in our view"? Holy Crap! As if there's a reasoned, principled position where "a dangerous thug who needed to be put down like a rabid dog" is a morally justified perspective that deserves some kind of place in public discourse?

Bullshit. I'm a huge fan of civil debate. Civil debate requires at least that we recognize the right of different opinions to engage in the public sphere. But there's a limit. Some ideas are simply "beyond the pale" and have no place nor deserve any right to be heard.

My disgust is first and foremost directed toward the cretin who wrote those words, but the paper's "apology" didn't go nearly far enough.

I'd guess they either half-way agree with sentiment if not the choice of metaphor, or they wanted to carefully apologize without offending the part of their readership who wholeheartedly agreed with it, Hell Yeah!

This is dangerous kind of talk and it should be condemned in no uncertain terms.

I stand by my post.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:24 PM

31. +1

 

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:29 PM

34. You're right about that.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:14 PM

12. Surber deserves

 

what has happened. Hell he'll be on foxsnooze soon. Or writing for stormfront. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:36 PM

16. The POS deserves far worse...

and I'm not at all afraid to offend people here. I'm fucking sick of this monstrous, dehumanizing racism. Same with the Halloween Ray Rice and girlfriend costumes, and so many others...I'm done!

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Response to americannightmare (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:41 PM

45. agree 100x

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #45)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:51 PM

47. I do appreciate the support, appalachiablue...

I'll let George Carlin speak for me this time....

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Response to americannightmare (Reply #47)

Sat Nov 1, 2014, 03:20 PM

49. Outrage at the racism, fraction & hate is warranted. I feel the same way. Carlin's so great.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:39 PM

19. good

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:45 PM

21. Justice is served.

For a change.

-- Mal

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:12 PM

27. Something good! Color me amazed!

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:18 PM

29. He's reposted the racist rant on his personal blog

 

and is blaming his readers.

What a loser!

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:28 PM

33. Really?

Please elaborate. How is he blaming his readers?

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Response to savalez (Reply #33)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:32 PM

35. It's their fault for being offended

 

Is what I'm getting from him

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:38 PM

36. LOL

What a prick! Thx.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:26 PM

32. This as a teaching moment about Right Speech

When vulgar speech like this pops up in the public domain, I am reminded of my Mother's saying that "foolish names and foolish faces always show up in public places." As a Buddhist, more and more, I don't get angry and outraged by such hateful speech. Rather it simply strikes me as vulgar. "Vulgar" was not a word that used to occur to me very often, if at all. But now, I find myself regarding so much of what I hear from the RWers as simply "vulgar." More importantly, I am reminded to reflect on the Buddhist precepts of "Right Speech." And so I share some excepts about Right Speech written Beth Roth from tricycle.com

The Buddha was unequivocal about the importance of how we employ our human capacity for speech and verbal interaction. Right Speech, also called Wise Speech or Virtuous Speech, is speech that gives rise to peace and happiness in oneself and others. The word “Right” is not a moral judgment to be contrasted with bad or wrong, but means “leading to happiness for oneself and others.

The Buddha was precise in his description of Right Speech. He defined it as “abstinence from false speech, abstinence from malicious speech, abstinence from harsh speech, and abstinence from idle chatter.” In the vernacular this means not lying, not using speech in ways that create discord among people, not using swear words or a cynical, hostile or raised tone of voice, and not engaging in gossip. Re-framed in the positive, these guidelines urge us to say only what is true, to speak in ways that promote harmony among people, to use a tone of voice that is pleasing, kind, and gentle, and to speak mindfully in order that our speech is useful and purposeful.

Right Speech is a mindfulness practice. By undertaking this practice, we commit to greater awareness of our body, mind, and emotions. Mindfulness makes it possible to recognize what we are about to say before we say it, and thus offers us the freedom to choose when to speak, what to say, and how to say it. With mindfulness, we see that the heart is the ground from which our speech grows. We learn to restrain our speech in moments of anger, hostility, or confusion, and over time, to train the heart to more frequently incline towards wholesome states such as love, kindness and empathy. From these heart states Right Speech naturally arises.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:29 PM

39. Excellent news!

 

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Thu Oct 30, 2014, 05:28 PM

43. I'm sure he will be picked up by FAUX NEWS as a field reporter

Probably won't miss more than one paycheck.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:06 PM

44. Duplicate subject matter, here is the thread from the 29th

 

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:39 PM

46. Good to see.. talk about "Swarm"!

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Sat Nov 1, 2014, 02:48 AM

48. glad they fired him

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