Exclusive: U.S. increasing non-lethal military aid to Ukraine

[jakeXT]

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - The United States plans to increase non-lethal military assistance to Ukraine, including deliveries of the first Humvee vehicles, having decided for now not to provide weapons, U.S. officials said.

The increase in non-lethal aid to Ukraine, which is grappling with a Russian-backed separatist movement in its east, is expected to be announced on Thursday during a visit to Kiev by Vice President Joe Biden.

The officials, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, described it as an expansion of U.S. support for Ukraine's armed forces, but one that was unlikely to significantly alter the conflict.

The aid falls short of what Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko requested during a visit to Washington in September when he appealed for lethal aid - a request echoed by some U.S. lawmakers in response to what NATO allies say is Russia's movement of tanks and troops into eastern Ukraine.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/20/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-exclusive-idUSKCN0J426U20141120

[go west young man]

1. Sounds like those visits to McCain paid off somewhat...

Prominent Ukrainian Nazi Visits McCain for 2nd Time





http://russia-insider.com/en/military_politics_ukraine/2014/11/12/09-19-25pm/three_ukrainian_battalion_commanders_leave_us_meet?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook


Excerpt:November 12. Kiev. (Interfax) The commanders of the Ukrainian volunteer battalions Semyon Semenchenko (battalion Donbas), Yuriy Bereza (Dnieper) and Andriy Teteruk (Mirotvorets), who have been elected to the Ukrainian parliament, have left for Washington to meet with Senator John McCain.

"The three parliamentarians have gone to Washington for one day to meet with Senator John McCain. They had a connection in Frankfurt-am Main. There was a gigantic line… Their innate politeness didn't allow battalion commanders Semenchenko, Bereza and Teteruk to jump the line," Semenchenko said on Facebook.


I guess it beats financing heart eating jihadists in Syria? Graphic warning: https://www.youtube.com/watch? Notice the Waffen SS Wolfsangel flag? v=mlKacrqOmIw&list=UUtvrV_ifhx0EDhmPPRl7adQ

[go west young man]

2. And there this one of the pro Nazi battalions marching in Kiev.

Holding the Waffen SS Wolfsangel flag. Graphic Warning:

&feature=youtu.be&list=UUtvrV_ifhx0EDhmPPRl7adQ The second half of this video includes numerous atrocities they are conducting against civilians.

[uhnope]

8. How much did the Kremlin spend on that video? and what else..

does Putin want you to say?

[go west young man]

9. The videos speak for themselves...

right off the get go in that video the Ukrainian Nazis have filmed themselves in HD marching in brand new combat uniforms (wonder where they got that money) and they are holding a Waffen SS Wolfsangel flag once held by Hitlers most notorious battalions. It's no surprise as the Galcian (Ukrainian) SS were reputed to be the worst for atrocities during WW2. They killed over 80,000 Poles and Jews for Hilter during the purging of Ukraine in WW2. The Telegraph UK has also ran a story fully exposing Ukraines current Nazi battalions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

I posted an extensive thread on this subject at Discussionist as I have been censored so many times at DU. Feel free to open your eyes. There's a ton of material and video evidence that they filmed themselves.

http://www.discussionist.com/101458043

[uhnope]

12. now you're crying victim of censorship? DU is very tolerant of Putin supporters, actually

so if you had post removed you must have gone way over the top in your support for that bloodthirsty dictatorship in Russia that is destroying Russian hope from within

[go west young man]

13. My god your right.....the destruction looks truly horrific.

The brand new Moskva City in HD.

HD Copter video of the new Moskva City...absolutely beautiful skyscrapers just built in Moscow. Is it possible success stories like this one are why the US really wants to curb Russias growth?

And if you doubt Russias growth under Putin.....check out Grozny now after Putin and Russias best architects rebuilt the city.

New Chechnya in HD:

[go west young man]

15. One more good one for this that enjoy reality over spoon fed propaganda....

oh the irony...prepare to be stunned. This is Moscow 2014.

[uhnope]

18. You better pull out your English-Russian dictionary and look up "Irony." Shiny buildings?

Shiny buildings do not make a free country, a functioning democracy. They don't cover a human rights disaster that is Putin. They don't reverse anti-gay laws. They don't replace democratic institutions and a free press.

The educated are fleeing Russia as Putin closes down democratic institutions and passes hateful laws targeting gays. But ooh woo look at shiny building. what a joke.

[cemaphonic]

22. Man, you're mind is going to be BLOWN by this Dubai place!

1970


2014


Buying real estate development with energy resources isn't really some amazing feat. Moscow has over 11 million people - it would be weird if it didn't have skyscrapers. And Moscow's skyline has nothing at all to do with Putin being an imperialist thug bent on destabilizing and dominating a peaceful neighbor so he can live out his revanchist dreams of resurrecting the Tsarist/Soviet empire.

[go west young man]

23. Peaceful neighbor?

You may wanna check the videos I put up below that show that peaceful neighbor ethnically cleansing ethnic Russian Ukrainians.

[uhnope]

16. at least 300,000 people fled Putin Paradise in just 2012 and 2013

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/24/russia-putin-emigration-idUSL6N0PI4TH20140724
The educated are getting the fuck out of Russia, and that's sad.
And Putin's crackdown against human rights is the worst since the USSR days
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/01/31/russia-worst-crackdown-soviet-era

we all know what Putin thinks of freedom of the press:

[go west young man]

20. I'm sure the 1 million Ukrainian refugees fleeing the Nazis

more than made up for the people immigrating to other countries. Plus of course Russia just added 2 million Crimeans.

This CNN report shows that over half a million Ukrainians have fled Ukraine to Russia and that those refugees all fear and blame the Ukrainian government. This clip was filmed on July 11th. At this point in time that number has doubled and that Ukrainian government has killed over 4,000 innocent civilians, a large number of whom were women, children and elderly people. What say you to that fact?

Educate yourself please and quit with your ridiculous propaganda on DU. http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/07/11/nr-black-ukrainians-moving-to-russia.cnn.html

[uhnope]

25. You just called the entire nation of Ukraine "Nazis" Your ethnic hatred is becoming more clear while

your shilling for Putin and the Kremlin, paid trolling or otherwise, it pure shit.

[go west young man]

26. Check this out....

Here's the jury results on the alert you sent on my above post. A good hearted DU'er was kind enough to let me know that you alerted on me. A touch pathetic considering above you state that I am paranoid of being alerted on and censored here at DU. It seems you are the one doing the alerting.....over something that is verifiable as noted by the jury.

On Fri Nov 21, 2014, 08:34 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm sure the 1 million Ukrainian refugees fleeing the Nazis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=949049

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Once again someone is calling the entire Ukrainian government/nation "Nazis". DU hasn't tolerated this ethnic hatred before and you shouldn't now.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Nov 21, 2014, 08:43 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this is a hot discussion, you should respond forcefully, not run to the censors
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Claim appears accurate. Poster cited Telegraph source upthread. Disingenuous alert. Here's a Guardian link if you don't like the Telegraph.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis


Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "fleeing the Nazis"
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is just an attempt to silence a dissenting voice. Nothing more.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Capt. Obvious]

27. A vicious cycle

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025849872

[EX500rider]

11. "Nazi Battalion"?

Typically a battalion consists of 300 to 800 soldiers...what you have there is a platoon.

[go west young man]

14. A platoon of the Azov Battalion....

The Telegraph UK has more on the Nazi aspect.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

Excerpt: But Kiev’s use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics”, proclaimed in eastern Ukraine in March, should send a shiver down Europe’s spine. Recently formed battalions such as Donbas, Dnipro and Azov, with several thousand men under their command, are officially under the control of the interior ministry but their financing is murky, their training inadequate and their ideology often alarming.
The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites.

The Azov battalion uses the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf''s Hook) symbol on its banner (Tom Parfitt)
“Personally, I’m a Nazi,” said “Phantom”, a 23-year-old former lawyer at the ceremony wearing camouflage and holding a Kalashnikov. “I don’t hate any other nationalities but I believe each nation should have its own country.” He added: “We have one idea: to liberate our land from terrorists.”


Those white supremicists should go over real well with the BOG here at DU.

[jakeXT]

3. The next Armed Services Committee chairman

With Republicans gaining the majority in the upper chamber in Tuesday's midterm elections, Sen. John McCain is widely expected to become the next Armed Services Committee chairman in January.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/john-mccain-poised-to-control-senate-s-defense-policy-20141105

[go west young man]

4. Absolute madness going on.....

McCain was psychotic long ago. Should of never been allowed in office. Here is a new video showing a now infamous Ukrainian Nazi battalion member known on Ukrainian TV as the 'Doberman'. He is talking about the very same individual, Semenchenko, that met with McCain while he was in Washington. The rats are already turning on each other so it makes very little sense to give these monsters military aid.

[CullenBohannon]

5. bad move

There are no "good guys" in this conflict.

[go west young man]

6. Yeah...those Russian Spetsnaz mortargrannies

are bloody evil. Eng subs] Interview with NAF mortarwoman Astra

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=665_1416315386&comments=1#OjhO2bbvrvmFfywv.99

[uhnope]

7. This is good news but Europe should do more about the Putin's Hitler-like military aggression

[go west young man]

10. Tell that to this man.

Ukrainian engineer who tried to stay out of the conflict spills it all out after the Kiev military bombs his home and nearly kills him,his wife and children. Now he explains that he has chosen a side. It is not with Kiev. Turn on CC for English subtitles. For those that are not aware, Live leaks Ukraine section is one of the best places on the internet to find real time video content related to the Ukraine crisis.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1cc_1416196315

[cosmicone]

17. More cookies are on the way? Goodie. n/t

[bemildred]

19. Oh good, more feckless political posturing. nt

[go west young man]

21. Those HMMVVs aren't going to last long or help the situation in any way.

http://en.ukraina.ru/news/20141120/1011229221.html

The Ukrainian military has resorted to basically just digging in and shelling villages filled with civilians at this point. They don't have the equipment to attack as this Russian article shows. The are now using large artillery cannons and just terrorizing the population. On average they are killing 10 civilians daily. Today they killed 8 and seriously wounded 3 children. The US giving them the vehicles mentioned in the OP is shameful. When the full truth comes out about this conflict it will be the undoing of the US.

Here's some examples: Graphic Warning: 10 year old girl killed by Kiev shelling. Her grandfather, who loses his wife here too, curses Poroshenko and vows to take revenge. This is what the US is financing.

&list=UUdnB82ob_V7EXwwcCtB1vUg

This one shows a hospital room that was bombed by the Kiev military. In the incubator amongst the ruble is a premature baby boy in an incubator.

[bemildred]

24. I'm sure someone will enjoy their use.

But you are right, they are a gesture in the direction of doing something.

It is probably more effective if you don't overdo the atrocity porn. A little bit you can get away with, but when you start piling it up people think you are spamming the board and you look desperate.

[go west young man]

28. There is a big difference between what I post and pornography.

For minds that associate these atrocities with pornography I would hope they seek serious psychological help. There is nothing arousing or entertaining in seeing innocent human beings killed mercilessly by absolute psychos. Another DU poster attempted to portray the videos I post as such back in October. I believe that takes a seriously warped mind to do such a thing when it is more than obvious I have been trying to save lives and stop the killing by getting these first hand accounts out to the public who are being fed propaganda from our media.

Award winning combat journalist John Pilger of the Guardian UK sums up succinctly why it is necessary to provide first hand accounts and humanize the war in order to cut through the mass propaganda we are being fed.

[bemildred]

29. Never mind, you just carry on. nt

[go west young man]

30. Thanks.....I will.