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Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 10:59 PM Jan 2015

Pittsburgh Police Chief Under Fire For Controversial Photo, Union Says Calls Department Racists

Source: CBS Pittsburgh

Marty Griffin

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Pittsburgh’s Police Chief is under fire for a controversial photo that is making its rounds on Facebook, and some are saying the Chief called his entire department racist.

It happened during the First Night parade.

The protest group called Fight Back Pittsburgh carried signs saying “End White Silence.”

On their Facebook page a photograph of Pittsburgh Police Chief Cameron McLay holding one of the group’s banners, a poster that stated, “I resolve to challenge racism @ work #EndWhiteSilence.”

FULL story at link.





Read more: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/01/02/pittsburgh-police-chief-under-fire-for-controversial-photo-union-says-calls-department-racists/

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Pittsburgh Police Chief Under Fire For Controversial Photo, Union Says Calls Department Racists (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2015 OP
I knew this was coming. Chakab Jan 2015 #1
He is taking the appropriate tack... Cooley Hurd Jan 2015 #2
You have got to be kidding me KMOD Jan 2015 #3
It's the "You are either with us or against us" tactic.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #46
It's also apparent that there is no "part way" here. staggerleem Jan 2015 #54
Fuck the union. I see a white man challenging other white LEOs to step up and join the human race. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #4
How can WE show support for the guy? Facebook? randys1 Jan 2015 #26
Yes, here's a Facebook link and post to share: NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #28
thanks, done randys1 Jan 2015 #29
I see a new head of the union being a black woman. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #47
The police union should show they're not racists adieu Jan 2015 #5
Now there's a thought shenmue Jan 2015 #6
Who gives a shit what a bunch of union thugs think? bluestateguy Jan 2015 #7
i'm sure the usual band SwankyXomb Jan 2015 #10
Union folks are not thugs, cops can be thugs, but your comment sure could randys1 Jan 2015 #27
^^^this ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #36
"Until we have disarmed America,... sendero Jan 2015 #39
Brilliant Randy! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #53
Who do you propose do the disarming? NickB79 Jan 2015 #55
PPD had a refromation 20 year ago when Jonny Gammage was killed while cuffed with a knee in his back pasto76 Jan 2015 #8
"Can tell this Chief aint no jag off" awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #11
Pixburg or Picksburg MissKat Jan 2015 #17
I was born in Steubenville, OH awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #33
That goes down well with Schlitz. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #48
Born and raised pasto76 Jan 2015 #23
I will have to look it up. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #34
Love that, LOL - "yinz" bread_and_roses Jan 2015 #24
Cool awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #35
Gamage was killed by Whitehall Borough Police NOT Pittsburgh Police happyslug Jan 2015 #41
i hope this guy brings needed reform to the PPD Ramses Jan 2015 #9
Go chief... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #12
Police unions are giving unions a bad name marym625 Jan 2015 #13
He has only been the Police Chief Since September happyslug Jan 2015 #14
Picksburgers imported a liberal from Madison, WI? IronLionZion Jan 2015 #21
Every move the police unions have been making is wrong. greyl Jan 2015 #15
In NY.. sendero Jan 2015 #40
K&R n/t Feral Child Jan 2015 #16
If they weren't racist, how'd they come to feel accused of being racist? They should be backing.... marble falls Jan 2015 #18
This story shows why the media suck these days malthaussen Jan 2015 #19
perhaps the department has something to hide samsingh Jan 2015 #20
I kind of wish that... Shemp Howard Jan 2015 #22
Once again, the thin blue skin.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #25
Great term. MatthewStLouis Jan 2015 #32
Touch a nerve, he did. sarge43 Jan 2015 #30
How in hell can he be under fire for this?! MatthewStLouis Jan 2015 #31
I wish the Police Chief well. OMG? A good cop for reals. 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #37
As the famous Kentucky Republican once said: concreteblue Jan 2015 #38
Sounds like a share of a certain police department should not be working as police officers. BlueJazz Jan 2015 #42
under fire means some republican radio blowhards will continue to enjoy their certainot Jan 2015 #43
Why just react when you can over-react? BobTheSubgenius Jan 2015 #44
Sounds like some people need to grow a thicker skin as he didnt call the department racist cstanleytech Jan 2015 #45
Weird johnnylefty2000 Jan 2015 #49
By pledging to end white silence, the Cheif ain't calling anyone Racist...Guilty? drynberg Jan 2015 #50
It's a bit like calling somebody Turbineguy Jan 2015 #51
If the shoe fits .... The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #52
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
2. He is taking the appropriate tack...
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:09 PM
Jan 2015

...and investigating whether or not there are issues with race in his department. Yet, others behind the "Blue Curtain" are questioning this VERY LOGICAL move??

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
46. It's the "You are either with us or against us" tactic....
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jan 2015

Things are getting so bad that you have to remind people there is such a thing as a black cop.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
54. It's also apparent that there is no "part way" here.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jan 2015

In other words, you either give 100% support to 100% of the police force, or you're a cop-hater!

Seems like a losing cause to me, but I tend to be somewhat accepting of ambivalence, as I'm so often there myself. No room for it here, though, and more's the pity.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. Fuck the union. I see a white man challenging other white LEOs to step up and join the human race.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:12 PM
Jan 2015

I can relate to a man drawing scorn for doing the right thing at his workplace.

Good for him.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. How can WE show support for the guy? Facebook?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jan 2015

The racist garbage are a vocal bunch, we need to be also.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
7. Who gives a shit what a bunch of union thugs think?
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jan 2015

If they don't like it they can find someplace else to work.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. Union folks are not thugs, cops can be thugs, but your comment sure could
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jan 2015

be thought of as saying union people in general are thugs.

Now, union folks are always negotiating with thugs, yes.

The confusing part is by allowing cops to have unions you both cast negative light on unions in general and you give murderers cover...

Until we have disarmed America, including cops, their union situation needs a re tool

sendero

(28,552 posts)
39. "Until we have disarmed America,...
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jan 2015

... Until we have disarmed America, including cops, their union situation needs a re tool"

Which is another way of saying "never".

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
55. Who do you propose do the disarming?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jan 2015

Oh, that's right.

The cops.

With their guns.

Sure thing, sounds great

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
8. PPD had a refromation 20 year ago when Jonny Gammage was killed while cuffed with a knee in his back
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:41 PM
Jan 2015

cousin of then Steeler player Ray Seals, it was quite a thing in the city. before the mature internet and well before viral videos, but it made quite an impact there.

if a cop thinks this is 'calling the whole department racist', i suggest thats guilt telling him that.

Can tell this Chief aint no jag off.

MissKat

(218 posts)
17. Pixburg or Picksburg
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jan 2015

After I get done redding up from Christmas I'm going dahn-town to check out the sales.
Go Stillers! Cause Pixburgers bleed black and gold.
And y'uns who don't like the Stillers, well-- you're just jag-offs.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
33. I was born in Steubenville, OH
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jan 2015

about 45 minutes away, so I am not totally fluent My uncle has lived in Pittsburgh my whole life. Of course, I love the Stillers

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
23. Born and raised
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jan 2015

I grew up in the south hills. mom and Dad grew up in southside. that show on A&E has been pretty amusing for me. My wife - a wyominig girl - can barely understand them sometimes. Ever watch Pittsburgh Dad videos on youtube? outrageously funny

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
24. Love that, LOL - "yinz"
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:33 PM
Jan 2015

we said "yinz" - grew up outside the city, one of the little mill towns along the Ohio - what a blast of memory that "yinz" gave me

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
41. Gamage was killed by Whitehall Borough Police NOT Pittsburgh Police
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jan 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Gammage

The suburbs of Pittsburgh Police tend to be been formed by ex police officers from the Steel Valley Mill Communities not the City of Pittsburgh. The City Police were known to be political hacks and thus rarely known to do to many acts of violence. The Valley Police tend to be tied in with the anti-Union movement among the Steel Valley from the 1860s to the 1930s. Thus these suburban police are more head bashers then the City Police.

This division is not as severe was in was in the post WWII era, but it still exists to a degree.
 

Ramses

(721 posts)
9. i hope this guy brings needed reform to the PPD
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:30 AM
Jan 2015

The last chief was involved in all kinds of legal problems. Just google police chief pittsburgh convictions... the rot in that dept is deep.

I hope th new chief gets to the root of corruption

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. Police unions are giving unions a bad name
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:56 AM
Jan 2015

What a shitty response.

So sick of both the racism and the denial of it

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
14. He has only been the Police Chief Since September
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 03:50 AM
Jan 2015

Technically he did not become even a Police Officer till December 30th, when the State waived the residency requirements for being a Police Officer in Pennsylvania. This was a legal technicality for Pennsylvania has a law since the Homestead Strike 1892 that all police officer must have lived in Pennsylvania for one year prior to becoming a police officer (unless a written waiver is given by the State). Thus unless you get a waiver from the State, no one can be a police officer in Pennsylvania unless he or she had lived in Pennsylvania for a year. The present Police Chief had been the Police Chief of Madison Wisconsin, thus he was not formally a police officer till December 30th, through he has been running the Department since September.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Police_Chief

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2014/09/02/Pittsburgh-to-name-new-police-chief-this-afternoon/stories/201409020123

KDKA, the Pittsburgh CBS affiliate report this as being protested by the Police, but no one else does, inlcuding the Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

The National FOP Made a nice statement on this situation, through you have to get around the attacks on the people protesting about police brutality:


Press Release from President Neri
December 23, 2014

Editor:

As police officers, we know that we can never predict what will happen when we put on our uniform each day. This simple fact was made very apparent with the brutal execution of two New York City police officers this past weekend. It was a scene that hit close to home for Pennsylvanians who continue to mourn the death and injury of our officers recently attacked at their own barracks in Blooming Grove.

Sadly, we were reminded again of the evil that exists in this world through events like these. Now more than ever, we need to rally around our brave men and women in uniform.

It's the job of all police officers to rush into danger to help those in need, regardless of personal risk, and they fully accept that risk every day. They face the worst criminals imaginable, and all too often those criminals use violence against police officers.

Nationally, 114 police officers have been killed in the line of duty this year alone. Four right here in Pennsylvania.

Each of these courageous officers from Pennsylvania and New York took a solemn oath to protect and serve their fellow citizens – an oath they honored by giving their last full measure of devotion to fulfill it. Let us always remember our fallen brothers as heroic and humble public servants who laid down their lives to serve and protect us all.

Les Neri, President

FOP, PA State Lodge

STATEMENT OF CHUCK CANTERBURY, NATIONAL PRESIDENT, FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE
DECEMBER 21,2014

Yesterday, NYPD Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu were murdered in New York City by a coward who invoked race as a motive.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Politicians have spent the months since the tragedy in Ferguson piously wringing their hands and bemoaning the lack of trust of police by the minority community. Mayors and Congressmen and Senators and professional racists from all sides have seized on the moment to advance their often self serving opinions of what is wrong in America as a hyperventilating media nods knowingly and faithfully reports each and every word. Enough is enough.

While these politicians and their retinues ignore the decaying infrastructure of our cities, the substandard educational system, the nonexistent families, the poor nutrition, the lack of employment opportunities- all of which create a toxic environment which breeds crime- they focus with laser vision on every real or perceived mistake made by the cops fighting a running battle to keep the streets safe for our poorest and most disadvantaged citizens in our country's worst pockets.

Enough is enough. There's nothing wrong with the way cops do their jobs that won't be fixed when politicians suck it up and attack the problems that breed poverty and crime- but they're not going to do that. The media professes shock when we speak out - well, buckle them on America- you're going to hear a lot from our 325,000 members in the days and months ahead. Some of you may not like it, but you would do well to listen. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

http://www.pafop.org/


In many ways we should back this statement, even the politicians who are being attacked by it, by saying we are for the same thing as the Pennsylvania State Lodge of the FOP, we want such get people to trust the police by showing that if the Police act unlawfully they will be punished. Trust is a two way street, people must believe that the police are there to help them, a position many minority people do not believe. The police MUST build up that trust by turning in those officer who break that trust. Thus the officers in Furguson should go on trial for manslaughter and that charge be brought by the Missouri State Attorney General.

A nice statement like the one above will force the FOP to agree with it, and thus reject their own statement, or accept it and point out the need for accountability.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
15. Every move the police unions have been making is wrong.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:16 AM
Jan 2015

I haven't heard a quote from them that wasn't stupid - tea party stupid.
And it's like they aren't fighting for better salaries, they're fighting for power privileges.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
40. In NY..
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jan 2015

... they are fighting for both.

It is astounding, you can tell from their comments and their attitude that saying "they don't get it" is the understatement of the century.

But as cops continue to eff up with impunity and with the assumption that everyone thinks as they do, something along the lines of "if we do it, it's legal", they are about to see their little sandbox taken away, at last.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
18. If they weren't racist, how'd they come to feel accused of being racist? They should be backing....
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jan 2015

the chief.

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
19. This story shows why the media suck these days
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:02 AM
Jan 2015

1) The picture is only "controversial" because some ass took offense.
2) By giving said ass a venue to vent, they validate his postition.

As for the union, we've already had this discussion. Police unions are giving cops a bad name.

Last thought for the compaintant: if the shoe fits...

-- Mal

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
22. I kind of wish that...
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jan 2015

...the Chief's sign had read "End Blue Silence" instead.

Sure, I get it that most (maybe all) police racism and police physical abuse can be traced back to white cops. But behind it all is the famous Blue Wall of Silence.

Frank Serpico (a white man) unsuccessfully fought against the Wall. And ex-Pittsburgh Police Chief Nate Harper (a black man) used the Wall as cover to steal money from his department.

MatthewStLouis

(904 posts)
31. How in hell can he be under fire for this?!
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jan 2015

People (conservatives mostly) need to take off the blinders. Racism exists. Some conservatives used to, at the very least, admit that everyone can be racist. But now after over 6 years of non-stop racist anti-Obama commentary, they want to pretend we are in a post-racism utopia? Jeezus!


 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
37. I wish the Police Chief well. OMG? A good cop for reals.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jan 2015

And the "union"s response is sadly so predictable.

WTF is it with these "police unions" . I thought unions were bastions
of justice, liberty and fairness, not bigotry, hate and corruption.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
38. As the famous Kentucky Republican once said:
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jan 2015

"Throw a rock over the fence, the dog that holler's the one you hit."

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
43. under fire means some republican radio blowhards will continue to enjoy their
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:17 AM
Jan 2015

free speech free ride from the left to attack the people who move the conversation, and thereby distort it and end it as needed by the 1%'s think tanks, unchallenged by the left's orgs, which are made useless again by the right's rw radio advantage.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
44. Why just react when you can over-react?
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:51 AM
Jan 2015

His message could apply to one, or even zero, active duty cops. Grow a skin, for one thing...and, more to the point, should he be silent, should he NOT confront racism at work? In police work, of ALL professions.

For some reason, a short clip from the Simpsons comes to mind: a Fox News helicopter with the slogan "Not Racist, But #1 With Racists."

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
45. Sounds like some people need to grow a thicker skin as he didnt call the department racist
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 08:04 AM
Jan 2015

and you would think that a union would support making sure racism isnt happening in the work place.

 

johnnylefty2000

(73 posts)
49. Weird
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jan 2015

I would think the union would support fighting racism in the work place. Unions are there to support the workers, so fighting racism would be one way to make it easier on the workers there. If racism is a problem then the union needs to address it and help work towards fixing the problem. Also, this isn't calling the department racist, its speaking out against racism. Just because hes a cop does not mean he has to be a racist bastard. People also seem to forget that white cops aren't the only kind of cops.

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