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BREAKING: President Obama Will Veto Congress' Keystone XL Pipeline Bill (Original Post) uhnope Jan 2015 OP
I needed some good news today lark Jan 2015 #1
Obama: "Get that weak stuff out of here!" n/t Yavin4 Jan 2015 #2
talk is cheap but it will be nice to see him actually do it nt msongs Jan 2015 #3
i agree with that attitude Enrique Jan 2015 #6
my (admittedly cynical) suspicion a2liberal Jan 2015 #11
This is just referring to legislation: Hissyspit Jan 2015 #12
important point Enrique Jan 2015 #13
Is the President lying? Is Mother Jones inaccurate? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #8
Why this is breaking news with a Democratic President after all this time is just sad. n/t Dawgs Jan 2015 #4
It's Breaking News because he's been waiting to drop this plum. And he did. On the first day of msanthrope Jan 2015 #7
Did you doubt him when he said he'd close Guantanamo? elias49 Jan 2015 #16
Not at all. And in fact, he did everything he could to close Guantanamo....but he cannot override msanthrope Jan 2015 #17
Never doubted him for a second. But some here did. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #5
+1 freshwest Jan 2015 #23
K & R Iliyah Jan 2015 #9
What is this sharp_stick Jan 2015 #10
I agree with your point, but... Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #14
That would not be a cave sharp_stick Jan 2015 #15
Yes, that's on me. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #18
was he actively campaining for it? Skittles Jan 2015 #21
Gives with one hand, and takes away with the other ... Trans Pacific Partnership is a death knell! blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #19
I applaud the action, but am skeptical also. ozone_man Jan 2015 #20
TPP is NAFTA on steroids, Bill Moyers' show ellenrr Jan 2015 #24
TPP - re animals and the environment ellenrr Jan 2015 #25
With oil so cheap, why build a pipeline daleo Jan 2015 #22

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
6. i agree with that attitude
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jan 2015

but this is actually a pretty definitive statement for Obama. If he's going to waffle, he always puts weasel words in his statements (which of course people can ignore if they want to think he's serious). I don't see any weasel words here.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
11. my (admittedly cynical) suspicion
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:43 PM
Jan 2015

He's going to let it get approved through normal (state department?) procedures later, and will say he was only veto'ing this because Congress was trying to override the standard review process.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
12. This is just referring to legislation:
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:43 PM
Jan 2015
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0a5e377914794c88b33f9f59c4e2455f/white-house-issues-veto-threat-keystone-xl-pipeline-bill

"The spokesman says there is a "well-established" review process that is being run by the State Department that should not be undermined by legislation.

Earnest also says the pipeline's route through Nebraska also must be resolved."

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
13. important point
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jan 2015

he's not vetoing the pipeline, he's vetoing legislation that would take the authority out of his hands.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
7. It's Breaking News because he's been waiting to drop this plum. And he did. On the first day of
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jan 2015

their "governance."

I never doubted this would be outcome.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
17. Not at all. And in fact, he did everything he could to close Guantanamo....but he cannot override
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 06:50 PM
Jan 2015

the laws of Congress with an EO. I think his acceleration of finding countries who will take some of these stateless prisoners is the right thing to do.

I think the Congress should repeal the law that does not allow Gitmo detainees on our soil. Florence SuperMax will hold the guilty, and the rest should be found countries who will take them.

Gitmo is a clusterfuck.....and like DADT, Congress is going to have to repeal its own mess to finally close it.

There's a great article here about Gitmo, and efforts to close it....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/us/politics/decaying-guantanamo-defies-closing-plans.html?_r=0

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
9. K & R
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015

First round of bullshit legislation from the GOP congress - taking 1.5 million workers off of Obamacare, pushing votes in favor of TPP, and giving more tax cuts to 1-2%ers.

The GOP base is absolutely insane.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
10. What is this
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jan 2015

at least the 452nd time Obama was going to cave and yet did not cave.

Why can't Obama just cave already and give the whining shitheads who claim he's about to cave a win, just one win. The track record for them is worse than the Knicks...THE GODDAMNED KNICKS!!!.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
14. I agree with your point, but...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jan 2015

If PO caves on the TPP, nobody will ever remember the things he didn't cave on.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
20. I applaud the action, but am skeptical also.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jan 2015

Every once in a while he throws a bone to the left/environmentalists. Am I right in thinking that TPP is Obama's version of Clinton's NAFTA and WTO?

Now if Obama vetoes TPP, then I will be a bit less skeptical.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
24. TPP is NAFTA on steroids, Bill Moyers' show
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:16 AM
Jan 2015

The post-NAFTA era has been marked by growing inequality, declining job security and new leverage for corporations to attack government regulations enacted in the public interest.

But it wasn’t supposed to be that way. Back in 1986, when the leaders of the US, Canada and Mexico began talks on a regional trade deal that eight years later would culminate in the signing of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), they sold the pact to the public as an economic win-win for all parties involved.

On signing the treaty in 1994, then-President Bill Clinton said, “NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn’t believe that, I wouldn’t support this agreement.” He promised that NAFTA would result in “an export boom to Mexico,” and claimed that such trade deals “transcend ideology” because support for them “is so uniform that it unites people in both parties.”

Twenty years later, we can test how those claims panned out in the real world. And Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch did just that, releasing a comprehensive study of NAFTA’s impacts.

Last week, Global Trade Watch Director Lori Wallach spoke to Moyers & Company about NAFTA at age 20, and what it portends for other trade treaties like the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Below is a transcript of the conversation, edited for clarity.


http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/09/fool-me-once-20-years-of-nafta-show-why-the-trans-pacific-partnership-must-be-stopped/

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
25. TPP - re animals and the environment
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:20 AM
Jan 2015
http://freetradekillsanimals.org/

and
"The TPP is a potential danger to the planet, subverting environmental priorities, such as climate change measures and regulation of mining, land use, and bio-technology."

http://www.foe.org/projects/economics-for-the-earth/trade/trans-pacific-partnership#sthash.xKpCQDot.dpuf

--take out the word "potential" and the above sentence is correct
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