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Omaha Steve

(99,613 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 11:21 AM Jan 2015

Scientist Sees Possible Signs Of Ancient Life On Mars In Rover Photos

Source: Huffington Post

By Jacqueline Howard

Evidence that Mars once harbored alien life continues to mount.

Just weeks after NASA's Curiosity rover detected spikes of methane in the Martian atmosphere--possible evidence of biological activity--a prominent geobiologist says she sees possible signs of past life in photos of the Martian landscape taken by the rover.

"We can detect sedimentary structures in rocks on Mars using the rover images," Dr. Nora Noffke, an associate professor at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va., told The Huffington Post in an email. "The structures I describe belong to a group of microbial structures that form by the interaction of benthic (living on the ground) microbes with sediment dynamics (erosion) in clastic deposits such as sand."

In other words, if such structures do exist on Mars, that suggests the planet may have once harbored microbial life. The microbes would have existed on Mars less than 3.7 billion years ago, Noffke said.

FULL story at link.



This mosaic of images from Curiosity's Mast Camera (Mastcam) shows geological members of the Yellowknife Bay formation. The scene has the Sheepbed mudstone in the foreground and rises up through Gillespie Lake member to the Point Lake outcrop. | NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/08/life-on-mars-photos-scientist_n_6425392.html

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Scientist Sees Possible Signs Of Ancient Life On Mars In Rover Photos (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2015 OP
Thanks, Steve TexasProgresive Jan 2015 #1
It's possible we brought microbes with us to Mars decades ago librechik Jan 2015 #12
"... maybe that's the methane source...." greiner3 Jan 2015 #20
Those spacecraft were all assembled in clean rooms. Frank Cannon Jan 2015 #31
I'm referring to the Russian astronaut who found microbes on the outside of the ISSL librechik Jan 2015 #35
We have known about life on Mars for years Botany Jan 2015 #2
Now to find the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator n/t gelsdorf Jan 2015 #13
What would be weird is, imagine if life on earth originated from Mars. chrisa Jan 2015 #3
Same thought just crossed my mind too! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2015 #5
or.... something...... like a rocket from mars! certainot Jan 2015 #7
That is an active line of inquiry exboyfil Jan 2015 #9
the life on mars may have come from earth belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #14
That's not crazy. That's very possible! Frank Cannon Jan 2015 #32
Clarification: "Benthic" refers to living on the seabed, not dry ground. nt eppur_se_muova Jan 2015 #4
Very interesting. Thanks for the post. elias49 Jan 2015 #6
If not for the church . . . Spooky69 Jan 2015 #8
Your proof? exboyfil Jan 2015 #10
link? MisterP Jan 2015 #15
Please Botany Jan 2015 #17
Spooky no scientist would avoid a Nobel Prize to keep the church happy Nitram Jan 2015 #18
Good grief arcane1 Jan 2015 #29
so, still no clue about the source of the current methane? librechik Jan 2015 #11
Some chemical processes can lead to methane production exboyfil Jan 2015 #19
Well no duh! trumad Jan 2015 #16
Award worthy also is how the Team keeps that Curiosity Rover chugging along, collecting information! Sunlei Jan 2015 #21
The engineers who designed and built it... Adrahil Jan 2015 #22
It's a huge team effort. I know an Astrophysicist who works on the rovers solar power team. Sunlei Jan 2015 #23
as long as they Snow Leopard Jan 2015 #24
LOL! Adrahil Jan 2015 #27
If life existed once on Mars, then likely it still does. closeupready Jan 2015 #25
That's the hope, I think. Adrahil Jan 2015 #28
Considering what we now know about "deep life" on Earth, yep NickB79 Jan 2015 #34
Probably just an old RON PAUL sign underpants Jan 2015 #26
Pretty thin evidence so far. Kablooie Jan 2015 #30
The Curiosity rover team disagrees LongTomH Jan 2015 #33

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. Thanks, Steve
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jan 2015

That's interesting. Being the nitpicker I am do they think the microbial life on Mars is alien to Mars. Perhaps they meant to use extraterrestrial and not alien.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
31. Those spacecraft were all assembled in clean rooms.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jan 2015

Precisely so they didn't screw up the tests for life (microbial or otherwise) they were designed to perform.

Plus, it would be very highly unlikely for any errant, hitchhiking microbes to have survived and propagated on the Martian surface to any detectable extent in just a few decades. Maybe a few million, or even billion, years.

But who knows? As they say in Jurassic Park, "Life finds a way."

librechik

(30,674 posts)
35. I'm referring to the Russian astronaut who found microbes on the outside of the ISSL
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/21/nasa-organisms-iss-discovery_n_5697123.html

clean rooms aren't perfect. or maybe they got picked up in space?

we know so little….

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
3. What would be weird is, imagine if life on earth originated from Mars.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jan 2015

Let's say an asteroid hit the planet, or something, and if such a thing is even possible, collided with earth. That would be crazy.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
9. That is an active line of inquiry
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jan 2015

It may turn out that the Earth/Mars share the same biosphere with life potentially originating on either planet. Until we can get more sophisticated and flexible robots on Mars (or ideally humans) it will remain an unanswered question. Finding actual microbial life that can be sequenced - that would be like hitting the lottery in life sciences. Even if the life shares a common ancestor the opportunity to study the direction that evolution took with that microbial life would be amazing. Even fossilized remains of microbial life would be a historic find.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
32. That's not crazy. That's very possible!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jan 2015

It's something that these missions to Mars are hoping to help resolve.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
6. Very interesting. Thanks for the post.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jan 2015

If I'm lucky, I have 15 years left on this rock we call home. I'd love to learn of something dramatic from the cosmos before that.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
10. Your proof?
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jan 2015

We already had one ambiguous announcement (the Mars meteorite). Also some questions still remain about the Viking results. The church is not holding back this line of inquiry. Scientists will publish as soon as it is confirmed (or even suspected).

Botany

(70,501 posts)
17. Please
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jan 2015

My SIL works for NASA and people there and at various places around the
world have spent billions of dollars and God only knows how much time looking
for life someplace besides earth. Do you really think they would hold back
information about other forms of life if they found it?

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
18. Spooky no scientist would avoid a Nobel Prize to keep the church happy
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jan 2015

It has never been announced because there is not conclusive scientific evidence. Yet.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
11. so, still no clue about the source of the current methane?
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jan 2015

at least, none that they'll admit to. 3 billion years ago is a pretty safe assertion.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
19. Some chemical processes can lead to methane production
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 06:22 PM
Jan 2015

Scientists will exclude every possible option prior to concluding that it a sure sign of life. Science deals with what is most probable. Simpler chemical reactions are more probable than organized chemistry called life. It is the responsible approach. Until we examine the microorganisms directly or see unequivocal signs of life existing, no responsible scientist is going to conclude that life is present. The story around the Martian meteorite is a a good example. I suspect most scientists in the field wanted it to be true, but instead they developed compelling scenarios as to why the presented evidence had a simpler explanation than life. That is good science.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. It's a huge team effort. I know an Astrophysicist who works on the rovers solar power team.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jan 2015

They all seem excited one of the rovers still brings home the science data and recharges!!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
25. If life existed once on Mars, then likely it still does.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:03 PM
Jan 2015

Particularly when you consider how abundant life is on Earth, even in the most harsh environments. That is, life seems to be very adaptable once established.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
28. That's the hope, I think.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:14 PM
Jan 2015

If life ever flourished there, it very likely exists somewhere on that planet, I think.

Kablooie

(18,630 posts)
30. Pretty thin evidence so far.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jan 2015

Just because some formations look similar to earth formations doesn't mean they were created in the same manner.

Certainly it merits more investigation but the press is always too quick to start throwing around the word "life" long before the data actually indicates it.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
33. The Curiosity rover team disagrees
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jan 2015
Mars Microbe Traces Spotted by Rover? Probably Not, Curiosity Team says:

An outside researcher recently analyzed photos Curiosity took of an ancient sedimentary outcrop called Gillespie Lake, and noted some similarities to "microbially induced sedimentary structures" (MISS) here on Earth. Study author Nora Noffke, a geobiologist who is not a member of the Curiosity team, said the Gillespie Lake features could be consistent with a biological origin, but stressed repeatedly that this was just a hypothesis, and that she didn't regard the structures as proof of past Mars life.

Curiosity team members also noticed the Gillespie Lake structures (which include domes, cracks and pockets, among other shapes), said mission project scientist Ashwin Vasavada, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. But the rover team arrived at a different interpretation.

"We really didn't see anything that can't be explained by natural processes of transporting that sand in water, and the nature of the rocks suggested that it was just a fluvial sandstone," Vasavada told Space.com.

"We do have several members of our team who are always keen to look out for things that might be caused by biological processes, but there was no reason, we felt, to explore that [option] at that site," he added. "It came down to nothing exceptional, from our point of view, that wasn't just a consequence of erosion of this sandstone."

I expect this to remain as a controversy for awhile.

The Curiosity team does have the option of drilling for mudstone samples at the Gillespie Lake site for the Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument.
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