The Demonisation Of Russia Risks Paving The Way For War
Politicians and the media are using Vladimir Putin and Ukraine to justify military expansionism. Its dangerous follyOn the ground, it has meant the rise of Ukrainian fascist militias such as the Azov battalion, now preparing to defend Mariupol from its own people. Photograph: Alexander Khudoteply/AFP/Getty Images
Wednesday 4 March 2015 15.02 EST
Seumas Milne
A quarter of a century after the end of the cold war, the Russian threat is unmistakably back. Vladimir Putin, Britains defence secretary Michael Fallon declares, is as great a danger to Europe as Islamic State. There may be no ideological confrontation, and Russia may be a shadow of its Soviet predecessor, but the anti-Russian drumbeat has now reached fever pitch.
And much more than in Soviet times, the campaign is personal. Its all about Putin. The Russian president is an expansionist dictator who has launched a shameless aggression. He is the epitome of political depravity, carving up his neighbours as he crushes dissent at home, and routinely is compared to Hitler. Putin has now become a cartoon villain and Russia the target of almost uniformly belligerent propaganda across the western media. Anyone who questions the dominant narrative on Ukraine from last years overthrow of the elected president and the role of Ukrainian far right to war crimes carried out by Kievs forces is dismissed as a Kremlin dupe.
That has been ratcheted up still further with the murder of the opposition politician Boris Nemtsov. The Russian president has, of course, been blamed for the killing, though that makes little sense. Nemtsov was a marginal figure whose role in the catastroika of the 1990s scarcely endeared him to ordinary Russians. Responsibility for an outrage that exposed the lack of security in the heart of Moscow and was certain to damage the president hardly seems likely to lie with Putin or his supporters.
But its certainly grist to the mill of those pushing military confrontation with Russia. Hundreds of US troops are arriving in Ukraine this week to bolster the Kiev regimes war with Russian-backed rebels in the east. Not to be outdone, Britain is sending 75 military advisers of its own. As 20th-century history shows, the dispatch of military advisers is often how disastrous escalations start. They are also a direct violation of last months Minsk agreement, negotiated with France and Germany, that has at least achieved a temporary ceasefire and some pull-back of heavy weapons. Article 10 requires the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Ukraine.
But Natos hawks have got the bit between their teeth. Thousands of Nato troops have been sent to the Baltic states the Atlantic alliances new frontline untroubled by their indulgence of neo-Nazi parades and denial of minority ethnic rights. A string of American political leaders and generals are calling for the US to arm Kiev, from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Martin Dempsey, to the new defence secretary, Ashton Carter. For the western military complex, the Ukraine conflict has the added attraction of creating new reasons to increase arms spending, as the US armys General Raymond Odierno made clear when he complained this week about British defence cuts in the face of the Russian threat.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/04/demonisation-russia-risks-paving-way-for-war
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Note that he calls for Ukraine to be deemed "neutral" under any negotiated settlement.
He purports to care about Ukrainian popular sovereignty when bemoaning the abdication of Yanukovych, but is awfully quick to do away with it by arguing it should not be allowed to choose its own allies. Kind of like how Netanyahu views a Palestinian state.
And he has likely never met someone from the Baltics if he thinks the following is true:
Which countries are most adamant about guarding against Russian aggression? Poland and the Baltics.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Y'all are slipping!!!
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Amazing how some people are so caught up in cold war thinking that they have convinced themselves that anyone with a nuanced or researched position is some kind of commie. Reminds one of more conservative times. But with people who are democrats? Awkward....
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)not exactly "intelligent conversation."
What do you want someone to say about such an article, so soon after the assassination of Nemtsov, at this time when Russia is becoming full-on fascist? To praise the article for its nuance?
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djean111
(14,255 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)It's always that way....
djean111
(14,255 posts)soldiers!". So yeah, lets throw new bodies over, to die. And then we will probably read that old heinous "if we stop now, all the kids who have died will have died in vain! Must kill more kids!"
I think that today, while the powers that be could really give a shit about demonstrations - yay! We can use our new toys on real people! - at least the internet lets us know what is really going on. Both sides, ALL sides, have trolls, though. Russian, American, Middle Eastern - all sides have trolls and prevaricators.
And it is, as always, all about the fucking money. For people who would not dream of being soldiers. In the field, anyway.
Nitram
(22,800 posts)And when she started nibbling at Georgian and Ukrainian territory.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)https://macmillen.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/milne/
When did a message board which used to be experts in calling out American propaganda get so oblivious to Russian propaganda? Or is this one of those enemy-of-an-enemy type of deals?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Early life
The younger son of the former BBC Director General Alasdair Milne, Milne attended Winchester College and read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Balliol College, Oxford, and Economics at Birkbeck College, London University. His sister, Kirsty, who died in July 2013, was an academic and former journalist.[6]
Career
Milne was the business manager of Straight Left, a monthly publication of an orthodox factional group within the Communist Party of Great Britain.[7] Milne worked as a staff journalist for three years on The Economist before joining The Guardian, where he has been a news reporter, Labour Correspondent (Europe), Labour Editor, and Comment Editor (for six years, 2001-7).
Milne has reported for The Guardian from the Middle East, Latin America, Russia, Eastern Europe and South Asia,[8] and also written for Le Monde Diplomatique[9] and the London Review of Books.[10]
Milne has been described as a "staunch socialist" in the Evening Standard.[3] Following an article he published in September 1995 in The Guardian, Milne "became characterised as a 'far-left activist' and member of the Socialist Workers Party".[1] Peter Popham argued that connecting Milne to the SWP was a "smear", but "there is no mistaking that Seumas is on the far left of the Labour Party, of which he has been a member for 20 years".[1] Milne served on the executive committee of the National Union of Journalists for ten years.
[1][8] He was joint winner of the 1999 What the Papers Say Scoop of the Year award.[11]
Views
On British politics
Milne was a strong critic of New Labour, in particular over its support for foreign wars, privatisation and low taxes on the wealthy.[12] He has argued that David Cameron's "makeover" of the Conservative Party is "skin deep"[13] and attacked the party for its links with "rightwing fringe" parties in eastern Europe[13] and support for "small state" public spending cuts.[14]
More at:
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Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/editorial-on-the-trail-of-seumas-milne-russophile-scumbag/
http://uacrisis.org/putins-little-helper/
http://uacrisis.org/letter-to-the-guardian/
http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2014/03/12/seamus-milnes-shoddy-arguments-putin
http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/assads-useful-idiots/374/
http://ukmediawatch.org/2013/05/22/top-10-warning-signs-you-may-be-a-guardian-left-anti-semite/
http://ukmediawatch.org/2013/05/14/guardians-milne-diligently-promotes-assad-propaganda/
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2008/08/18/the-return-of-useful-idiots/
http://jellingworth.blogspot.com/2009/09/seumas-milne-tries-to-rehabilitate.html
Igel
(35,306 posts)Not demonizing Russia or counteracting it did pave the way for war. The Donbas is instance #4 of this.
What it has prevented is *our* being at war with Russia, and the attitude seems to be that if it's not us at war then it's not really war. Only we matter--and Russia, of course. Lesser folk are 3/5 of a human being and, well, sacrificing them is the price we're willing to pay.
Rather like one of the DNR's early leading military figures, who co-published a piece after the Chechen war saying it was better to kill a thousand Chechen civilians than let a Russian soldier die. This was in defense of the near-destruction of Grozny and what can only be described as war crimes.
We live in fear of what might happen to us while sitting back and making snide comments to justify those that we fear. Bravery it isn't, nor even false bravado.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)yurbud
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(39,405 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)More war = more tax money. If they can get their war on in Russia, the ME, AND south america, they can get rich, break the bank, and have lots more wounded vets to use as props at sporting events.