Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 01:19 PM Mar 2015

Britons still live in Anglo-Saxon tribal kingdoms, Oxford University finds

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11480732/Britons-still-live-in-Anglo-Saxon-tribal-kingdoms-Oxford-University-finds.html

Britons are still living in the same 'tribes' that they did in the 7th Century, Oxford University has found after an astonishing study into our genetic make-up.

Archaeologists and geneticists were amazed to find that genetically similar individuals inhabit the same areas they did following the Anglo-Saxon invasion, following the fall of the Roman Empire.

In fact, a map showing tribes of Britain in 600AD is almost identical to a new chart showing genetic variability throughout the UK, suggesting that local communities have stayed put for the past 1415 years.

Many people in Britain claim to feel a strong sense of regional identity and scientists say they the new study proves that the link to birthplace is DNA deep.

The most striking genetic split can be seen between people living in Cornwall and Devon, where the division lies exactly along the county border. It means that people living on either side of the River Tamar, which separates the two counties, have different DNA.

12 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Britons still live in Anglo-Saxon tribal kingdoms, Oxford University finds (Original Post) flamingdem Mar 2015 OP
really interesting. n/t MBS Mar 2015 #1
Fascinating. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #2
'init? flamingdem Mar 2015 #10
that sense of being home KT2000 Mar 2015 #3
I believe it, thanks. Half of my family is from southern coastal England, Dorset seamen & people of appalachiablue Mar 2015 #4
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2015 #5
My people were in the Lake District until the 1500's when some made their lives in London. freshwest Mar 2015 #6
Lovely sentiments freshwest flamingdem Mar 2015 #9
I do think there is DNA "memory" dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #12
That must make me an Elmet T_i_B Mar 2015 #7
I missed the 'Elmet part flamingdem Mar 2015 #8
Sadly, that's what you get "below the line" on Torygraph articles T_i_B Mar 2015 #11

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
4. I believe it, thanks. Half of my family is from southern coastal England, Dorset seamen & people of
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 09:39 PM
Mar 2015

the land. They don't move around too much, even the Americans except some of the adventurous ones. Saxons.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. My people were in the Lake District until the 1500's when some made their lives in London.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:43 AM
Mar 2015

Last edited Fri Mar 20, 2015, 07:06 AM - Edit history (2)



England's famed Lake District, in the northwestern county of Cumbria, boasts breathtaking scenery that has inspired some of the country's most famous poets and novelists. Blanketed by rolling mountains, the isolated region is home to an abundance of wildlife, some found only here and nowhere else.



The Lake District National Park is located in the north-west of England and is the largest of the English National Parks and the second largest in the United Kingdom. Also, the highest mountains in England are within the Park boundary. The lakes and mountains combine to form impressive scenery unique to this corner of England.

A link with more pictures of things that I have loved in American and dreamed of seeing there:

http://www.letstravelsomewhere.com/travel-inspiration/dennis-fischer-united-kingdom/

My family were in London during the reign of Queen Elizabeth and did quite well, but some left and came to the American colonies by way of Amsterdam in 1590. They never returned and although I have all of their history going over a thousand years in a direct line, I know none of them there.

Some notable members were into social justice movements when they were in London, doing many things. I think that is in my DNA. The area they came from was lush and green, and I've had a life long love and desire to live in the woods. They were in that region for hundreds of years before some left for London and places south. I feel so disconnected living in the city, far away from the soil.

I've always wanted to visit and had penpals send me pictures of the area and reports. I feel close to the area and have never felt at home here. Where I once lived no longer exists in America or there, it only lives in my dreams.

Leonard Nimoy said it best:

A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP

But those who stayed there, don't have this problem. I can see why most of the people I write to there are just happier folks. They are grounded. If DNA is frequency, they are renewing theirs and we are losing ours. I know that's a nutty thing to say. Just feels that way.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
9. Lovely sentiments freshwest
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015

I went to the Lake District as a child and loved it, stunning scenery. Had my Macintosh on for rain. We share some things since my family is also traceable to the 1400s (thanks ancestry dot com) and I'm first gen Cornish on the other side, thus the interest in this article. On a recent visit a relative said "We Cornish are different". Now we know why! The dna changes at the river dividing Cornwall from Devon. A cousin is married to a Devon-er and he says that the Cornish are "in-bred" to tease, but hmm, does seem like that group was isolated. That element was left out of the article

I have had very little time over there but think there's a mind reading kind of thing. The DNA? Also on the other side as you say, sharing interests over the centuries, love of the sea of course, you gotta wonder if there's more nature than nurture at work via dna. That side has taken up residency in rural New England, a decent substitute. I'm stuck in the urban but can't quite imagine being a gentlewoman farmer.. working up to it, thanks for the reminder, that's where I ought to be .. with a good internet connection!

Perhaps you could find living relatives in Britain. There's a lot of interest in studying ancestry there.

Lovely quote from Nimoy

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
12. I do think there is DNA "memory"
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 01:41 PM
Mar 2015

I was born and raised, as were my parents, in the Puget Sound area of the Pac. NW. and have always had a fondness for England. The climate is much the same, turns out.
However, I moved, about 30 years ago, to the South, Gulf coast area. Everything felt strangely familiar, and in a short time I had become very emotionally rooted here, even after moving away for a few years.
This area calls to me, and feels more like "home" than any other place I have lived, even the Pac. NW.
I have no desire to live anywhere else now.
seems strange, in a way.

To add: I have not thought of "dna frequency" but I do know there is subtle energy all around us. Interesting idea.

T_i_B

(14,737 posts)
7. That must make me an Elmet
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 08:30 AM
Mar 2015

I'm sure there are plenty of people who would agree that I'm a bit of an 'Elmet.

Now if only I was one of those bellends who actually give a stuff about racial purity.....

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
8. I missed the 'Elmet part
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:20 AM
Mar 2015

What's that? Or where's that?

Lively comments on this article by the way from the beilends.

T_i_B

(14,737 posts)
11. Sadly, that's what you get "below the line" on Torygraph articles
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:00 PM
Mar 2015

Lots and lots of drooling UKIPers (and maybe a few BNP types) utterly obsessed with race.

If anyone at the Torygraph writes anything even mildly critical of UKIP or Nigel Farage they go absolutely nuts.

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Editorials & Other Articles»Britons still live in Ang...