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Panich52

(5,829 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:59 PM Jun 2015

Opinion: The Democratic Party needs a swift kick in the ass

Al Jazeera

Opinion: The Democratic Party needs a swift kick in the ass

http://alj.am/1G9mbcU

The Democratic Party’s official symbol is a jackass — and that’s exactly how the party is perceived by the American electorate right now. Only 18 states have Democratic governors, and Democrats hold a majority in both legislative houses in just 11 states. As the New York Times noted, the party hasn’t had this little power since Herbert Hoover was president. And Democrats will continue to get their asses kicked in every election until grass-roots movements organize to oust the party’s corporate-backed incumbents, make a mockery of state party bosses and take the helm once they’ve all been driven out.

Read more:  C. Robert Gibson proposes grass-roots revolt
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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
2. IMO many democrats today should not be democrats, and IMO many democrats
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jun 2015

are gutless and feed at the corporate trough for their own benefit. Except on social issues, IMO, quite often R=D=I when it comes to big money. And, not many want to disrupt the feeding chain. I am not saying all democrats are like this, but IMO many are.

The democratic party today is nothing like the democratic party of yesteryear. And, I know I'm not alone in this, many I know say the same. And if voters want a republican, they go after the real ones rather than a me-too democrat.

One of the few democrats I hear today that has qualities of past democrats from way back is Bernie Sanders.

What this country needs is a major paradigm shift.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
3. Ditto
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jun 2015

Other than Bernie Sanders - most Democrats are establishment Democrats and act like their job is something that they're entitled to and they are their own bosses. The establishment types are afraid to confront Republicans, afraid to rock the boat - on major issues like global warming, they just come in, receive their paychecks and let the world and the country go to hell in a hand basket. Sanders, on the other hand, gives one the impression that the people are his boss. He isn't uncomfortable leading because the points he is now leading the Party and the country on are issues that he has been articulating since he set foot in Congress.

I hope he has some long coat tails and that the true progressives find their back bones.

And it takes an independent analyst to bring out these observations.....these kinds of insights won't be found in your 'inside the beltway' types of journalism.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
4. SO TRUE,
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:18 PM
Jun 2015

in every election until grass-roots movements organize to oust the party’s corporate-backed incumbents, make a mockery of state party bosses and take the helm once they’ve all been driven out.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
5. I think there are quite a few that are lingering in the shadows...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jun 2015

... that WANT to be like Democrats were before the "money train" bought so much of Washington off. But many don't feel they have the courage at this point to buck the system and are just trying to play the game the way the system demands it until "the right time" comes for them to join the other crowd.

I'd like to think that they can be a part of that change, but that they are not taking courageous stands shows many of them not to be the LEADERS we need of the party to make these changes sooner rather than waiting far too much later.

Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, and a number like them are taking this lead now. They are putting themselves in the front of the train that hopefully will gather steam later and lead us out of this mess.

I'd like to think my own Senator, Jeff Merkley, is part of that crowd too, when he did things upon getting in to congress like trying to get the corporatist leadership to change the filibuster rules so that they could have a good way of stopping the Republican obstructionism, but of course many Democrats WANTED the excuse of their bills being blocked and "obstructed" so that they didn't get passed so it LOOKED like they were good Democrats. But behind the scenes, to keep their corporate owners happy, they'd stand in the way of getting these sorts of bills really passed.

Remember when Dianne Feinstein tried to propose a well talked about bill to do assault weapons regulation at the beggining of that session right after the Sandy Hook massacre? Well, she was one of the senators at the SAME TIME standing in the way and voting against the filibuster changes, that might have had her bill pass then!

We need to find a way to isolate the fake Democrats, and target getting them out, and also help identify those "in waiting" that we will look to later to step up when the time is right. And we need to find those outside of congress that can step in to it and lead us forward to change (kind of like an Elizabeth Warren did so). Congress critters like DiFi need to GO in the coming elections.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
6. One real problem is MSM and money. Many excellent democrats are excluded by the system
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 07:47 AM
Jun 2015

because they are often not heard by the masses. Those with hoards of money and connections secure the limelight. Somehow, money has to be gotten out of politics so as to level the playing field. And, we have horrific crap like Citizens United. Given the funding situation, it is no wonder corporate sponsored politicians rise to the top. Additionally, corporations and money own MSM and spew their brand of propaganda. Yes, there are alternatives, but I think many people secure their political propaganda from their TV.

Yes, I agree with you so much,

"Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, and a number like them are taking this lead now. They are putting themselves in the front of the train that hopefully will gather steam later and lead us out of this mess."
Then, hopefully, the weak kneed democrats will fall into line and be real democrats.

One thing definitely going for individuals like Bernie, is I think millions upon millions of Americans are fed up with the current system. The politician successfully capturing that dissatisfaction will have a lot going for them.
 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
7. Hopefully when grass roots gets someone like Bernie president...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jun 2015

... and reelects and elects those that aren't the corporate types to get hopefully a majority in the senate and house, we can start moving on the following necessary changes. We the citizenry need to have a grass roots movement that has their back too to combat the inevitable response by the wealthy uber class if their bought politicians are pushed out of power too.

1) Constitutional amendment overturning citizen's united that codifies:

a) corporations are NOT people and therefore all decisions that try to derive from a court clerk's decision that there was in that 1800's decision are null and void and need to be re-litigated as there is no stare decisis that supports that.
b) money is NOT free speech, and likewise.

This needs to be done in such a way that our fourth amendment rights in the 20th century are also protected and establishes ownership of content that we put in cyberspace online such as Facebook and Google Mail, etc. so that these companies can't just throw up their hands and say "Now that we aren't persons any more, the government now has the ability to come in and look at all of the data that we no longer own". Make it clear that we as individuals OWN the secrecy of that data, and therefore the government doesn't have the freedom to walk in and seize control of that. This should borrow from the precedent where they claim *ownership* of copyrighted and patented material in cyberspace as well, no matter on what fashion it sits on someone's computer that isn't owned by some "protecting" corporations' computer, etc. That precedent should be used for us to claim ownership of that private data based on tenets set by copyright law. If the amendment is done carefully, we won't have any kind of split between those of us that want the above constitutional amendment, and those that want changes protecting our fourth amendment rights in the wake of all of the domestic spying that has been going on.

2) Public financing of elections nationally, and hopefully we can get it passed in most states as well for state and local elections.

By getting the constitutional amendment for #1 passed, the precedent of having money not be free speech will allow us to regulate more how it is spent on elections too, and allow for restricting its expenditure by individuals and allow for matching funds that the Supreme Court overturned in Arizona when the right wing sued to stop these matching funds happening in Arizona where they had publicly funded elections.

3) Get rid of electronic voting systems, or have them minimally in place in a fashion that MANDATES that their source code be owned by the state, and not held privately by corporations like the company formerly known as Diebold.

4) Tear down some of the top two primary voting systems that have been put in place in places like California, Louisiana, and Washington, and that the rich and powerful (BOTH oil billionaires and so-called "liberal" wealthy individuals like Bloomberg tried to push along with corporate owned media like the Oregonian) TRIED unsuccessfully to push here in Oregon last election.

Instead go to a system that is already mandated in other countries if they don't have proportional representation noted as instant runoff voting. Instant runoff voting is done nationally in countries like Australia now, and a system like that would allow people to vote for third parties like Ralph Nader in 2000, but not "mess up" who wins, by having their vote still count for their "lesser of two evils" of their "lower" ranked choices of one of the two major parties. With Instant Runoff Voting, it is argued that Al Gore would have had a bigger margin of victory in Florida in 2000, which would have made it harder for them to steal the election the way they did. I believe there were more Nader voters than Buchanan voters then who would have had their second choice votes count for Al Gore then.

There might be tweaks needed to make sure that instant runoff voting is run properly, and also reported on properly, so that those elected know based on first round votes, who voters really voted for initially to see who they should align themselves with and what policies they should reconcile with with other party voters that helped them win.

Some people might say we should move to proportional representation the way many other countries have now. Ideally that would be nice, but I think many more radical changes not only with voting processes but the way our body of government is organized that would almost need a constitutional amendment to implement. Maybe down the road we look at that after we make a lot more fundamental changes first, but initially I think instant runoff voting would only tweak our voting systems, and in effect give us many of the benefits of proportional representation that winner take all for two parties voting system that we have in place now screws up.

5) Put in place a constitutional amendment guaranteeing people the RIGHT to vote, not to just not be discriminated against in their actions of voting, which is what is in place now. What is in place now is made useless if a Supreme Court now falsely concludes that there is "no longer discrimination in election systems" and therefore the Voting Rights Act had been in effect rendered useless in many states where it is needed most now. Then any ALEC efforts to try and do more voter disenfranchisement will be made illegal and violating people's constitutional rights.

6) We need to fix the after effects of the Telecommunications Act passed under Clinton proposed by Republicans which has let the media get to this level of oligarchic consolidation. Their needs to be newer legislation that breaks up these monopolies and starts to use the Sherman Anti-trust Act again to do so.

These would be good starts to getting in a newer system where money doesn't own the system, but we need to first get the right people in office that are prepared to start making the above changes. Those running for office should be challenged on whether they are ready to do all of the above items to fix our system, if they truly want to be a part of the "people's revolution" that is needed now and that many people I think are thirsting for out there in America, regardless of their party membership.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
8. Exceptionally well said! To me your thoughts should be an OP for greater visibility. K&R !!!!!!! n/t
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jun 2015
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