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villager

(26,001 posts)
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 02:19 AM Oct 2015

Salon: NRA’s favorite myth, demolished: Australia debunks right-wing narrative

The NRA’s favorite myth, demolished: Australia debunks the right-wing narrative that smarter gun policy can’t make a difference

Australia got rid of rifles and shotguns and saw their suicide and homicide rates plunge

While conservatives are busying trying to shutdown any debate on gun control following the 45th school shooting this year by yelling about Chicago’s murder rates — apparently unaware that Chicago is the third largest city in the country but not even in the top five cities with the highest murder rate per capita — and reflexively decrying any mention of gun control as a “gun grab,” what if we just entertained their wildest conspiracy theories for just a bit?

A 2015 study found that when guns are used to kill people in the United States, they are overwhelmingly used for murder rather than self-defense. That study found that in 2012, there were only 259 justifiable homicides, or what is commonly referred to as self-defense, compared to 8,342 criminal firearm homicides. In 2008-2012, the report says, guns were used in 42,419 criminal homicides and only 1,108 justifiable homicides.

So if Americans aren’t using their guns for self-defense, does it make sense to do away with the charade of “sensible gun restrictions” talk and just get real about banning at least some guns outright?

Of course, America is awash in guns with approximately one gun for every U.S. citizen, but would examining Australia’s model on guns, as President Obama has suggested, be instructive for our gun violence crisis?

“When Australia had a mass killing … it was just so shocking the entire country said, ‘Well, we’re going to completely change our gun laws,’ and they did. And it hasn’t happened since,” the president recently told comedian Marc Maron.

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http://www.salon.com/2015/10/02/the_nras_favorite_myth_demolished_australia_debunks_the_right_wing_narrative_that_smarter_gun_policy_cant_make_a_difference/
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Chakab

(1,727 posts)
2. Didn't you get the memo? Some kid shot a civilian police force employee in Sydney last week, so
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 05:21 AM
Oct 2015

gun control doesn't work down under.

If you can't stop every possible gun crime, then it's best to do nothing and keep letting disgruntled losers shoot up innocent people in public on a weekly basis.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
6. How does this year compare to previous years, using the same metric?
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:16 PM
Oct 2015

Somebody recently introduced this new metric. If it is going to be useful, then it needs to be compared to previous years. Is there a 30-year graph available someplace?

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
4. And this is why the 2A needs to be repealed.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 08:38 AM
Oct 2015

There is no legit reason for a law abiding citizen to possess anything more than a single shot black powder rifle for hunting.

And no, "self defense" (lol!), hunting, collecting, and target shooting are not acceptable reasons.

No one is ever going to invade us gun humpers, so Mr. and Mrs. America- GIVE. THEM. UP.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
8. So you want only men aged 17 to 45 to own guns
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:51 PM
Oct 2015
10 USC 311

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
7. One does not need to shoot somebody in order to use a gun.
Sun Oct 4, 2015, 04:20 PM
Oct 2015

Nearly all armed robberies are committed without a shot being fired, as are nearly all defensive gun uses.

You should be careful of what you "demolish", especially since you're advocating for gun confiscation.

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