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Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 05:01 PM Jan 2016

Historic New Harpers Article Exposes Who Controls America

Very disturbing article, but it explains a lot, particularly about how there is no end to the war on terror.

http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/18/historic-new-harpers-article-exposes-who-controls-america/

"To boil it all down to the essence: The fundamentalist-Sunni royal family of the Sauds have bought the highest levels of the U.S. government in order to control U.S. foreign policies, especially the ongoing wars to take down the governments of Iraq, Libya, Syria, and ultimately (they hope) of Russia itself, which latter nation has allied itself instead with Shiia countries. The controlling entities behind American foreign policies since at least the late 1970s have been the Saud family and the Sauds’ subordinate Arabic aristocracies in Qatar (the al-Thanis), Kuwait (the al-Sabahs), Turkey (the Tuktik Erdoğans, a new royalty), and UAE (its six royal families: the main one, the al-Nahyans in Abu Dhabi; the other five: the al-Maktoums in Dubai, al-Qasimis in Sharjah, al-Nuaimis in Ajman, al-Mualla Ums in Quwain, and al-Sharqis in Fujairah). Other Saudi-dominated nations — though they’re not oil-rich (more like Turkey in this regard) — are Pakistan and Afghanistan."

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Historic New Harpers Article Exposes Who Controls America (Original Post) Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 OP
Very good, Thank you LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #1
which explains why, although the 9-11 hijackers were identified as Saudis dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #2
I was thinking just that. Gregorian Jan 2016 #5
And let all the Saudis fly out of the country zeemike Jan 2016 #8
Mideast investors rule by proxy vote through the corporations and politicians they purchased leveymg Jan 2016 #14
Not vaguely surprising EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #3
people only seem to give a shit when they are told to by Fox News. yurbud Jan 2016 #17
And who was the American to meet some Saudi King Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #4
This begs the question: just what is our CIA doing. Gregorian Jan 2016 #6
The CIA has been doing what it wants nyabingi Jan 2016 #9
And our Secretary of State is right in the middle of all this. tecelote Jan 2016 #7
The Bush family has had business dealings for decades with the Saudis, including members jalan48 Jan 2016 #10
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #11
all very odd ellennelle Jan 2016 #12
Thank you. I meant to check one of those things, but got sidetracked. Gregorian Jan 2016 #13
k and r and bookmarking. niyad Jan 2016 #15
Might actually be nice to link to the real Harper's article... TygrBright Jan 2016 #16
yes, thanks. Although the link I gave connected the dots quite a bit more Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #19
Interestingly, this Democracy Now! discussion today mentions how Saudis control US politicians Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #18

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
8. And let all the Saudis fly out of the country
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

When all plains were grounded.
Yes it makes a lot of sense.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
14. Mideast investors rule by proxy vote through the corporations and politicians they purchased
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jan 2016

a controlling interest in. Money is the permanent establishment, and they have bought everything of real value in the west. That includes the GOP and most of the Democratic Party, whether you and they know it or not. The next President knows it, as did the mentor who brought her and her husband into al-Yamamah. Google the last word, it's Arabic for the name of the slush fund set up to buy US and British politicians with oil sales to the west and reverse arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states. Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal

And, oh yes, they're business partners with the Israeli right-wing. They also exercise their share of influence. Working together, they stand a fairly good chance of succeeding in their separate plans to put us out of the way.

As for the Saudi-Israeli alliance that's pushing the US into a new war of choice against Iran.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israel-Saudi-Arabia-admit-secret-diplomacy-for-first-time-405123

Israel and Saudi Arabia have held five secret meetings since the beginning of 2014 to discuss the common threat Iran posses to the region, it was revealed for the first time Thursday at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington, according to Bloomberg.

Although the two are considered to be historic enemies, with Saudi Arabia refusing to recognize the Jewish State's right to exist, they never-the-less have engaged in a campaign of clandestine diplomacy in an effort to thwart the Islamic Republic's growing influence in the Middle East.


http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-Saudi-relations-best-kept-quiet-415758

Israel should keep its relations with Saudi Arabia as quiet as possible as it continues to explore other ways to improve relations, Prof. Joshua Teitelbaum, an expert on Saudi Arabia and the modern Middle East, told The Jerusalem Post.

“Beyond facing a similar threat from nuclear threshold Iran, Israel and Saudi Arabia have been brought closer together by the Obama administration’s strategic decision to draw down its involvement in the Middle East by seeking a strategic balance between Sunnis and Shiites,” said Teitelbaum.

For the Obama administration, said Teitelbaum, who is an expert at Bar-Ilan University’s Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies (BESA), there is little respect left for Saudi Arabia, which it sees as responsible, if indirectly, for 9/11 and Islamic State.

“While Iran might support the terrorist Hezbollah and Bashar Assad, Sunni extremists have profited from Saudi support.”




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http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/18/historic-new-harpers-article-exposes-who-controls-america/


 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. And who was the American to meet some Saudi King
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jan 2016

in the Desert with a bag of cash? So we would have their Oil. Karma is a Bitch and she is biting our asses.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
6. This begs the question: just what is our CIA doing.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jan 2016

Did we torture and kill people just to make it look like we were legitimate? That's rhetorical, by the way.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
9. The CIA has been doing what it wants
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jan 2016

for a long time with no Congressional inquiry at all and their actions are hurting all of us.

It's high time our elected officials drags this unaccountable rogue agency before some hearing in order to discuss their actions and their funding.

jalan48

(13,830 posts)
10. The Bush family has had business dealings for decades with the Saudis, including members
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jan 2016

of the Bin Laden Family. Is it any wonder that immediately after 9/11, when all US commercial air traffic was grounded the Bush Administration organized flights out of the US for wealthy Saudis. At first Bush Jr. denied it happened but later admitted it did but that is was for the safety of the Saudis. Michael Moore's film 9-11 talks about this. I believe some of those flown out were relatives of Osama Bin Laden.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
12. all very odd
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016

several thoughts here.

one, note there is no mention in the linked article of israel. nada. too strange for any article re: middle east, esp. referencing US concerns, and esp. referencing power struggles, and israel is totally left out.

second, the harper's article is indeed in the jan. issue, but not mentioned on the cover, despite the cover article being "letters from a french jihadi."

third, i did a search of that .pdf article, and there is indeed no mention of israel in it either.

which leads me to suspect israel may well be involved in the dissemination of this information.

forgive me, but as little as i trust saudi arabia, i may well trust israel even less, certainly netanyahu.

finally, that linked piece is from xmas eve or earlier; the fact that nothing as emerged about it is itself a bit concerning.

fwiw.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
13. Thank you. I meant to check one of those things, but got sidetracked.
Sun Jan 3, 2016, 10:31 PM
Jan 2016

I also forgot to be skeptical. So we'll see what comes of this.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
19. yes, thanks. Although the link I gave connected the dots quite a bit more
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jan 2016

but it's good to read the original piece too

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
18. Interestingly, this Democracy Now! discussion today mentions how Saudis control US politicians
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/1/4/as_saudi_arabia_executes_sheikh_al

"AMY GOODMAN: Ali al-Ahmed, what could the U.S. do? And what—how do you assess the U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia?

ALI AL-AHMED: This is a complex relationship that really is led and dominated by the Saudi ability to buy silence and support. If you look at the reaction of presidential candidates, for example, you don’t see any of them speaking out against these executions. It’s odd that, for example, Mr. Ben Carson would say that the Saudi government is an ally of us and we should support it, at the same time that the Saudi monarchy prevents black people from becoming diplomats or judges because they view blacks as slaves. So, really, here you see a contradiction of the—what we know as American values, is that the Saudis have been able to buy their way by giving money to a lot of politicians, to their foundations, like the Clinton Foundation, the Carter foundation, and shaping their opinion. And, unfortunately, because in America politics works on money, the Saudi monarchy has really broken that code and understood how to use it."
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