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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:29 PM Jan 2016

Will those who led the financial system into crisis ever face charges?

When federal prosecutors presented their evidence against real estate agent Yevgeniy Charikov and three others accused of bank fraud and money laundering in Sacramento, California, they had every reason to believe they had a pretty good case. They wove a story of brazen criminal greed, piecing together a scam in which the four lied on mortgage documents, set up straw buyers to purchase homes at inflated prices, and then walked away from the residential loans, leaving lenders $710,000 in the hole.

Then Bill Black took the stand for the defense and he made the jury laugh.

It was August 2014, and by then many if not most potential jurors likely knew that major financial institutions had been implicated in residential mortgage-backed securities fraud that played a big role in the global collapse of financial markets in 2008. But now the bankers themselves were in effect put on trial. Defense lawyers projected a flier on the screen in the courtroom that indicated the mortgage company the conspirators were accused of bilking was itself involved in the overall scheme.

The flier had been circulated by the alleged fraud victim, GreenPoint Mortgage Funding. A subsidiary of Capital One Financial Corp., GreenPoint specialized in making loans without verifying a borrower’s ability to pay—”stated income loans” in the language of regulators; “liar’s loans” in the wake of the 2008 financial collapse.

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/will_those_who_led_the_financial_system_into_crisis_ever_face_charges
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Will those who led the financial system into crisis ever face charges? (Original Post) Jefferson23 Jan 2016 OP
You're kidding, right? tularetom Jan 2016 #1
Nope, no joke..I believe the question is rhetorical in nature. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #3
First in the dock, Joseph Cassano of AIG FP! longship Jan 2016 #2
+1. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #4
Not as long as they own the government. nt valerief Jan 2016 #5
Dick Durbin: Banks "Frankly Own The Place" Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #6
Yep. Reminds me of Sutton's law. Why do you rob banks, Willie Sutton? Because that's where valerief Jan 2016 #8
What I'm hearing in defense of taking money from these characters is fuckling stunning. Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #10
Not if Hillary is elected. That much is clear. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #7
Yea, but that is ok, Obama took money from WS too and went on to pass Frank-Dodd., she said. Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #9
"play to the uninformed and or the willfully blind. " <--down to a science, they have it. n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #14
Sad to say, probably never. 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #11
No. The statute of limitations has passed for most of what they could be charged with. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #12
The OP is more involved than the rhetorical question in said title. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #13
being responsible for a disaster is not a statutory criminal offense geek tragedy Jan 2016 #15
Are you stating there was no legal means to charge the executives? n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #16
I'm saying that you need to be able to prove beyond a reasonable geek tragedy Jan 2016 #17

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
1. You're kidding, right?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jan 2016

We waited four or five years for Eric Holder's justice department to charge these crooks before it dawned on us that nothing was ever going to happen and that there would be no consequences.

Republicans won't do anything about it. Neither will Hillary Clinton. Senator Sanders may try but he will be battled at every step of the process.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. First in the dock, Joseph Cassano of AIG FP!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

Then, right behind him, Dick Fuld of Lehmann, and Jaimie Dimon of JP Morgan, and the rest of the line forms at the left. Somehow Howie Hubler needs to find his way into the dock as well.

Throw them all in prison for a long, long time.

BTW, Cassano exposed AIG to so much risk by selling credit default swaps on mortgage bonds that the entire company collapsed. And AIG was a very, very big company. Too big to fail, so they bailed them out with 80 billion dollars. And somehow Joseph Cassano avoided life in prison.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
8. Yep. Reminds me of Sutton's law. Why do you rob banks, Willie Sutton? Because that's where
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jan 2016

the money is.

The banks have the money to buy Congress, SCOTUS, and the executive branch and all state and local officials. And they do, as needed.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
10. What I'm hearing in defense of taking money from these characters is fuckling stunning.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jan 2016

A new low since 2007.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. Yea, but that is ok, Obama took money from WS too and went on to pass Frank-Dodd., she said.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

I have to wonder if they believe that we accept that on its face as a credible means
to ignore what did not take place under Obama's DoJ?


They play to the uninformed and or the willfully blind.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. being responsible for a disaster is not a statutory criminal offense
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jan 2016

and if anyone's going to be honest, the list of people responsible for the crisis is pretty damn long . . .

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. I'm saying that you need to be able to prove beyond a reasonable
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

doubt, based on legally admissible evidence, every single element of a defined statutory offense in order to get a conviction.

In the cases of Wall Street big shots, these are very, very smart and cunning people who get--on the front end--advice from very, very smart and cunning lawyers on how to avoid leaving a paper trail to support a criminal conviction.

People do not get convicted because justice requires it.

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