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Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:44 PM

Brock Turner is everywhere--what it's like living in Rape Culture

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/brock-turner-is-everywhere-heres-what-its-like-to-live-inside-nightmare-of-rape-culture/

Brock Turner was accused of dragging an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and having sex with her without her consent. He also inserted foreign objects into her vagina. How is it politically correct to see this as rape? And how is Brock Turner the victim in all of this?

It turns out, he’s one of many rapists who get treated as the victims. Many, many men have been “victimized” by being accused of rape after they raped women. Luckily, for many of them–especially those who are college students, or who may be white, or a famous athlete, or rich–law enforcement and the judicial system has many ways that these “victims” can get out of jail free. The system has been set up so that rape, despite the numbers, despite the horror and fear and pain that it causes, is still the crime where the victim of rape can expect to have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that she did not want to be violated.

The fact that the Stanford rapist’s father doesn’t think his son’s life should be ruined for “20 minutes of action,” and that Judge Persky ruled that more than six months in a county jail would have a “severe impact” on the rapist, Brock, has sparked internet rage. But how many are aware that in cases such as this, being wary of the impact of the sentence upon the rapist drives many judges to rule in similar ways?

Jon Krakauer wrote Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town as an investigation of what happened in Missoula, Montana between 2010 and 2012. Missoula, a college town, had recorded 80 alleged rapes in three years, including nine separate sexual assaults of University of Montana students (with multiple assailants–some of the cases were gang rapes) in a 16-month period. None of the campus assaults were prosecuted in criminal courts. But, as Krakauer notes in his introduction, “…the number of sexual assaults in Missoula might sound alarming, but if the FBI figures are accurate, it’s actually commonplace. Rape, it turns out, occurs with appalling frequency throughout the United States.”

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BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 OP
Igel Jun 2016 #1
BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #2
radicalliberal Jun 2016 #4
radicalliberal Jun 2016 #3
alarimer Jun 2016 #5
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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:40 PM

1. He was accused of having sex with her.

By "having sex" I mean "engaged in vaginal intercourse."

Those charges were dropped.

He was found guilty of inserting a foreign object into her while she was (1) intoxicated and (2) unconscious. That "foreign object" would be his finger(s). He was also convicted of attempted rape. Those are the three counts. They're sexual assault, fit some people's definition of rape (but not many others', nor the California statutory definition, it would seem). I'm not sure most people would consider that having sex with her.

Oddly, I don't think he was accused of dragging her behind the dumpster. There's no evidence one way or the other apart from what he said as to how she got there, as far as I know, and all he said is that she was conscious and mobile at that point. At what point she became unconscious only he could say; the two other witnesses can't, and she can't.

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Response to Igel (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:37 PM

2. I think you ought to read the article. The particular legal distinctions aren't the point.

The point is the pervasiveness and dehumanization of women, and the routine denial of male violence against women in a Rape Culture.

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Response to Igel (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:05 AM

4. Wow!

If you are not absolutely morally repulsed by the very idea of a guy seeking to have sex with an unconscious woman, then you are beyond the reach of reason. Maybe you wouldn't be so legalistic if it happened to your own daughter.

I guess if I ever came across a well-dressed businessman who had gotten drunk and passed out in an alley somewhere, there would be no problem with me helping myself to the contents of his wallet. Why not? (Actually, the rape is worse than the theft. But, of course, Men's Rights Activists and their supporters lack empathy for the victims of rape. After all, women's bodies are just a commodity to be used at the discretion of men. )

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:53 AM

3. Just so I won't be misunderstood, I agree with you completely.

But please be careful. Some people (including some DU members) don't like to hear that many fraternities and school sports programs have a rape culture. Football, particularly, is downright sacred. Careful, or the sports fans will get upset!

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:23 AM

5. It is indeed everywhere.

There was a thread here about a Yale basketball player suing because he was kicked out after being accused of rape and most of the people on it were in support of the player, not the accuser. There are many reasons why such a case would not be prosecuted, including the fact that a victim is dragged through the mud and might not want to go through that. I choose to believe victims first because I know how pervasive rape culture is on campuses and especially in sports.

So even so-called progressive fall into the trap.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:34 AM

6. Really enjoyed your Penguin GIF Avatar. Not seen it before - Thx!

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