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Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:17 AM

How Ayn Rand contributed to US becoming a greedy, individualistic nation.

"Ayn Rand (1905-1982) helped make the United States into one of the most uncaring nations in the industrialized world, a neo-Dickensian society where healthcare is only for those who can afford it, and where young people are coerced into huge student-loan debt that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy."

"Ayn Rand’s books such as The Virtue of Selfishness and her philosophy that celebrates self-interest and disdains altruism may well be, as (Gore) Vidal assessed, “nearly perfect in its immorality.” But is Vidal right about evil? Charles Manson, who himself did not kill anyone, is the personification of evil for many of us because of his psychological success at exploiting the vulnerabilities of young people and seducing them to murder. What should we call Ayn Rand’s psychological ability to exploit the vulnerabilities of millions of young people so as to influence them not to care about anyone besides themselves?"

Rand said, “Capitalism and altruism are incompatible….The choice is clear-cut: either a new morality of rational self-interest, with its consequences of freedom, justice, progress and man’s happiness on earth—or the primordial morality of altruism, with its consequences of slavery, brute force, stagnant terror and sacrificial furnaces.” For many young people, hearing that it is “moral” to care only about oneself can be intoxicating, and some get addicted to this idea for life.

Rand offered a narcotic for confused young people: complete certainty and a relief from their anxiety. Rand believed that an “objective reality” existed, and she knew exactly what that objective reality was. It included skyscrapers, industries, railroads, and ideas—at least her ideas. Rand’s objective reality did not include anxiety or sadness.

A demagogue, in addition to hypnotic glibness, must also be intellectually inconsistent, sometimes boldly so. This eliminates challenges to authority by weeding out clear-thinking young people from the flock.

Ayn Rand removed Americans’ guilt for being selfish and uncaring about anyone except themselves. Not only did Rand make it “moral” for the wealthy not to pay their fair share of taxes, she “liberated” millions of other Americans from caring about the suffering of others, even the suffering of their own children.

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/12/clinical-psychologist-explains-how-ayn-rand-helped-turn-the-us-into-a-selfish-and-greedy-nation/

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ellenrr Oct 2016 OP
pipoman Oct 2016 #1
murielm99 Oct 2016 #2
brush Oct 2016 #3
Martin Eden Oct 2016 #8
smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #22
Martin Eden Oct 2016 #23
smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #24
Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #6
rtracey Oct 2016 #12
Cary Oct 2016 #4
Joe Chi Minh Oct 2016 #14
Cary Oct 2016 #15
Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #5
Martin Eden Oct 2016 #7
Saviolo Oct 2016 #9
world wide wally Oct 2016 #10
demigoddess Oct 2016 #11
Wolf Frankula Oct 2016 #13
DAngelo136 Oct 2016 #16
Joe Chi Minh Oct 2016 #18
Joe Chi Minh Oct 2016 #19
Wolf Frankula Oct 2016 #20
rdmtimp Oct 2016 #17
inanna Oct 2016 #21

Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:30 AM

1. The death (or at least hibernation) of the two party system

 

has resulted in most of the things being attributed to this early Ann Coulter.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:07 AM

2. I got over Ayn Rand

by the time I was seventeen. Most people with an ounce of sense do the same thing. Her philosophy appeals only to self involved teenagers.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:41 AM

3. And people like Paul Ryan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Gary Johnson.

Arrested development?

No doubt about it if you listen to Johnson try to recalled the name of a world leader he admires.

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:46 AM

8. 7 Ways Paul Ryan Revealed His Love for Ayn Rand

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3. Listed Rand’s magnum opus, Atlas Shrugged, as one of the three books he most frequently rereads.

4. Told The Weekly Standard, “I give out ‘Atlas Shrugged’ as Christmas presents, and I make all my interns read it.”

5. Repeatedly divided American society into “makers” and “takers.”

6. Declared that Rand’s thinking is “sorely needed right now” because we are “living in an Ayn Rand novel” and that “Ayn Rand, more than anyone else, did a fantastic job of explaining the morality of capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this, to me, is what is [sic] matters most.”

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 01:17 PM

22. What a loathsome piece of crap!

But he claims to be a "Christian". God he makes me sick!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 03:00 PM

23. Ryan also doesn't deserve his reputation as a serious budget numbers guru

Like all Repukes, his projections are based on the theory of "trickle down" magically creating jobs and growth thru tax cuts.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 05:57 PM

24. And he's considered the "intellectual" of the GOP.

That should tell you something about the intelligence of the average republican.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:00 AM

6. There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life:

 

The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/halrager/blog/2011/04/ayn-rand-other-course-involves-orcs

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:53 AM

12. 4 books....

 

Catcher in the Rye, Lord of the Flies

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:58 AM

4. Third rate philosopher; fourth rate science fiction writer

Rational selfishness is a perversion of enlightened self interest.

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Response to Cary (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:38 PM

14. There is no way in which 'the law of the jungle' can be fashioned

into or construed as a philosophy, is there ? And 'rational selfishness' is an oxymoron. Only in the US could a child who is not a classic psychopath, be taken in by such nonsense, imo.

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Response to Joe Chi Minh (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:51 PM

15. Total nonsense.

And unreadable.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:59 AM

5. I don't think she convinced anyone by herself... she was just a useful tool, a way to justify

 

greed by the capitalist class.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:43 AM

7. There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life:

The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

-- John Rogers

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:52 AM

9. Ayn Rand...

... and her followers have done more to damage rational political discourse in the west than just about anyone in the last 100 years. And her acolytes ended up in high positions in finance and government, like Alan Greenspan.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:11 AM

10. I think she may be one author Trump has actually read

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:50 AM

11. I read one Ayn Rand book in high school. Boring and badly written. Illogical and

repetitive. practically a baby's book. Only for the brainless.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:06 PM

13. I wonder how many modern Randroids (like Eddie Munster) know

Ayn Rand was an outspoken atheist who despised religion and called Jesus a 'scabrous bum.'

Ayn Rand called abortion "a moral right of women".

Ayn Rand called racism "the worst form of collectivism.'" (Collectivism means 'bad' in Randish.)

Rand opposed the Vietnam war and detested the draft.

Rand had nothing but contempt for Ronald Reagan.

I am not a Randroid. She couldn't write worth a damn. Her novels are tracts, not novels. I saw the movie version of 'Fountainhead'. Even Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal couldn't make it worth watching.

Wolf

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:14 PM

16. Ayn Rand was a legend in her own mind

Mind you, her books were self published, her screenplay for "The Fountainhead" was incomprehensible; Gary Cooper (himself a known Republican Conservative) who performed the long winded speech of Howard Roarke couldn't understand what the character was talking about. The movies based on her other book "Atlas Shrugged" have been flops.

And if you want a more admirable individualist ( if THAT is your thing), then you would go to Rose Wilder Lane, daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder (author of the "Little House on The Prairie" book series) she makes Rand look like a poseur ( and she was, let's face it) by comparison.
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Wilder_Lane]

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Response to DAngelo136 (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:17 AM

18. Also, a legend in her own lunch-time.

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Response to DAngelo136 (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:43 AM

19. Well, reading now that her books were self-published, I can see I have

misjudged and disparaged even the sanity of the Americans' 'soft underbelly' of Mammon-worshippers. No 'monied class' of any country could be so stupid as take her ramblings as anything but the deranged burblings of a psychopath, devoid of the least vestige of conscience and self-awareness. The infantile folly of extreme malice, writ large ; a narcissist, but utterly devoid of the normal charisma so frequently found in them.

And as for her literary 'oeuvres', as that character put it long ago : 'Throw the book in the garbage asap. She makes Micky Spillane seem like a literary giant.' Well he didn't actually say that, but that was the gist - and he certainly compared her adversely to that great 'auteur' and giant of 'belles letters'. And there's no doubt that the intrepid Mike Hammer would have made mince-meat out of that lad she created from her diseased imagination.

Unfortunately, he has provided the ethic(!) for the neoliberal economics that, today, threatens to bring down the whole global economy in a manner so dire as to be unparalleled in all the long, sorry history of mankind's dumbest depravity.

Its 'movers and shakers' will not change. The devil trembles at the thought of God (and implicitly, his wrath, as per James Epistle), but he doesn't back down, he cannot be corrected, cannot be reformed, but he and his mob are going down - and how.

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Response to Joe Chi Minh (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 05:15 PM

20. She also wrote plays

All of them bad. George Jean Nathan said of them, "I seldom fall asleep at the theater, but I always snooze off during Rand's plays"

Wolf

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:11 PM

17. I still think the best observation on Rand

was by the late Stephen Bach, in his book Final Cut, about the making of Heaven's Gate.

Evidently, before deciding on Heaven's Gate, Michael Cimino was pitching a remake of The Fountainhead. About the book, Bach (then an executive at United Artists) wrote "I hadn't read The Fountainhead since adolescence, which may be the best time to read it".

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Mon Oct 24, 2016, 11:57 AM

21. Good article.

Kick!

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