I read decades of Woody Allen's private notes. He's obsessed with teenage girls.
His 56-box archive is filled with misogynist and lecherous musings.Source: The Washington Post
I know this because Ive seen his whole career up close going through all of his drafts and scribblings, his psychological and physical cutting-room floor that exists in the 56-box, 57-year personal archives he has been curating since 1980 at Princeton University (which he did not attend). According to the staff at Firestone Librarys rare-books wing, Im the first person to read Allens collection the Woody Papers from cover to cover, and from the very beginning to the very end, Allen, quite simply, drips with repetitious misogyny. Allen, who has been nominated for 24 Oscars, never needed ideas besides the lecherous man and his beautiful conquest a concept around which he has made films about Paris, Rome, Barcelona, Manhattan, journalism, time travel, communist revolution, murder, writing novels, Thanksgiving dinner, Hollywood and many other things because that one idea bore so much fruit for his career.
Allens archive is a garden of earthly deletes decades of notes and stories and sketches that the prolific filmmaker exiled, for whatever reason, to the shadowlands in between whole-hearted commitment and half-hearted possession. His screenplays are often Freudian, and they generally feature him (or some avatar for him) sticking almost religiously to a formula: A relationship on the brink of failure is thrown into chaos by the introduction of a compelling outsider, almost always a young woman. Sometimes, this produces a gem, such as Match Point. Often it does not. Ellen Page, featured in 2012s To Rome With Love, called working with Allen the biggest regret of my career.
Allens work is flatly boorish. Running through all of the boxes is an insistent, vivid obsession with young women and girls: Theres the wealthy, educated, respected male character in one short story (By Destiny Denied: Incident at Entwhistles) who lives with a 21-year-old Indian woman. First, Allens revisions reduce her to 18, then double down, literally, and turn her into two 18-year-olds. Theres the 16-year-old in an unmade television pitch described as a flashy sexy blonde in a flaming red low cut evening gown with a long slit up the side. Theres the 17-year-old girl in another short story, Consider Kaplan, whose 53-year-old neighbor falls in love with her as the two share a silent, one-floor-long elevator ride in their Park Avenue co-op. Theres the female college student in Rainy Day who should not be 20 or 21, sounds more like 18 or even 17 but 18 seems better. That script includes a male college student but gives no description of his age. Another of Allens male characters, in a draft of a 1977 New Yorker story called The Kugelmass Episode, is a 45-year-old fascinated by coeds at City College of New York. In the margin next to this characters dialogue, Allen wrote, then crossed out, cest moi its me.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/i-read-decades-of-woody-allens-private-notes-hes-obsessed-with-teenage-girls/2018/01/04/f2701482-f03b-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.9210062ffffc
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)I knew the guy was a creep when he made the movie "Manhatten."
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)But nevertheless decided to jerk off all over the page in public view.
demmiblue
(36,845 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)entire film career, either he or one of his characters is either involved in or talking about some kind of pervy, inapppropriate behavior with very young girls.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Its an excellent moral tale with no creepy lecherousness.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)But I just re-watched Bananas and Love and Death and there were definitely pervy references in both those films, as well as others.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I actually like a lot of his old films, but I have observed his pervy-ness in many of them. It never really bothered me too much at the time, but when you put his body of work together there is a pattern.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I have just observed that there are pervy parts in almost all of them. It's not enough to make me not watch them, just an observation.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)Nitram
(22,794 posts)You could probably do the same with Shakespeare if you wanted to. All based on the accusations of the woman who told Allen the child he believed he fathered with her was actually conceived during a tryst with Frank Sinatra, and a well-coached seven-year-old.
You might find this article in which Moses Farrow, Dylan Farrow's brother, says Mia Farrow, Not Woody Allen was abusive. Moses is a family therapist who recounts that "My mother drummed it into me to hate my father for tearing apart the family and sexually molesting my sister. And I hated him for her for years. I see now that this was a vengeful way to pay him back for falling in love with Soon-Yi."
"[Dylan] looked forward to seeing [Allen] when he would visit," he said. "She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him. The day in question, there were six or seven of us in the house. We were all in public rooms and no one, not my father or sister, was off in any private spaces. My mother was conveniently out shopping. I don't know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible."
Moses added that his home with Mia Farrow at the helm was never a happy one. and in fact, she was the abusive one.
"From an early age, my mother demanded obedience and I was often hit as a child," he added. "She went into unbridled rages if we angered her, which was intimidating at the very least and often horrifying, leaving us not knowing what she would do."
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/dylan-farrows-brother-moses-mia-farrow-woody-allen/story?id=22377303
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)It is one thing to be coached at 7 but as an adult sticking by her claims? The mother very well could have been that way but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)fabricated story. Do you doubt the memories Moses has of an abusive mother?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Based on her story he wasn't there plus he was a young kid. Maybe Woody Allen didn't abuse him because he wasn't a young girl.
Dylan Farrow is an adult now repeating the story for the past few years. I just find it very hard to believe she has a false memory.
https://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan-farrow/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&&mtrref=en.m.wikipedia.org&gwh=8ED627F56FC49453DE2CEE8110433269&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion
Nitram
(22,794 posts)leading questions about the alleged abuse. Numerous pauses occurred when the camera was switched off. If the tape was legitimate, it should have been shot at one go, providing no pauses for re-direction or coaching. I recommend reading this testimony on Allen's behalf which dispels a number of myths, and brings into serious question the accusations against Allen. I thought these 3 passages were particularly relevant:
"...if Mias account is true, it means that in the middle of custody and support negotiations [related to his relationship with Soon-Yi], during which Woody needed to be on his best behavior, in a house belonging to his furious ex-girlfriend, and filled with people seething mad at him, Woody, who is a well-known claustrophobic, decided this would be the ideal time and place to take his daughter into an attic [which was more of a crawl-space than a room] and molest her, quickly, before a house full of children and nannies noticed they were both missing."
"A New York Times article dated March 26, 1993, quotes from Mias own testimony, during which she recalled taking the child to a doctor on the same day as the alleged incident. Farrow recalled, I think (Dylan) said (Allen) touched her, but when asked where, she just looked around and went like this, at which point Mia patted her shoulders."
"In the midst of the proceedings, on February 2, 1993, a revealing article appeared in the Los Angeles Times, headlined: Nanny Casts Doubt on Farrow Charges, in which former nanny Monica Thompson (whose salary was paid by Allen, since three of the brood were also his) swore in a deposition to Allens attorneys that she was pressured by Farrow to support the molestation charges, and the pressure led her to resign her position...Thompson further revealed a conversation she had with Kristie Groteke, another nanny. She told me that she felt guilty allowing Ms. Farrow to say those things about Mr. Allen. (Groteke) said the day Mr. Allen spent with the kids, she did not have Dylan out of her sight for longer than five minutes. She did not remember Dylan being without her underwear."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)From the start of the article it is clear he is mounting an all out defense of Woody Allen.
In March 1993, the lead doctor of YaleNew Haven Hospital Child Sexual Abuse Clinic's investigation into the allegations, Dr. John Leventhal, gave sworn testimony via a deposition[104] that, in his opinion, Dylan "either invented the story under the stress of living in a volatile and unhealthy home or that it was planted in her mind by her mother" because of the "inconsistent" presentation of the story by Dylan.[105] The doctor did not meet with Dylan before giving his testimony, and instead delivered his findings based on interviews conducted by others.[102]
The team's findings were criticized by the presiding judge, and later by other experts in the field, who found their behavior unusual for making conclusive statements about innocence and guilt, instead of reporting on behavior, for refusing to testify in court when asked, and for destroying all their notes.[106] Justice Wilk stated that the investigating team's behavior had "resulted in a report which was sanitized and, therefore, less credible" and that its recommendations and statements had "exceed[ed] its mandate". He concluded, "I am less certain, however, than is the Yale-New Haven team, that the evidence proves conclusively that there was no sexual abuse."[103]
In his final decision, in June 1993, Justice Wilk stated that he found "no credible evidence to support Mr. Allen's contention that Ms. Farrow coached Dylan or that Ms. Farrow acted upon a desire for revenge against him for seducing Soon-Yi. Mr. Allen's resort to the stereotypical 'woman scorned' defense is an injudicious attempt to divert attention from his failure to act as a responsible parent and adult."[102] He rejected Allen's bid for full custody and denied him visitation rights with Dylan, stating that even though the full truth of the allegations may never be known, "the credible testimony of Ms. Farrow, Dr. Coates, Dr. Leventhal and Mr. Allen does, however, prove that Mr. Allen's behavior toward Dylan was grossly inappropriate and that measures must be taken to protect her".[103]
In September 1993, the state's attorney, Frank Maco, announced he would not pursue Allen in court for the molestation allegations, despite having "probable cause", citing his and Farrow's desire not to traumatize Dylan further.[107]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Farrow
The cutting, the triggers and everything else lead me to believe the event happened and suffering long term trauma because of it. I believe her. Especially considering Woody Allen's creepy behavior.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)and even then, I always imagine what the hell I would talk about with someone that much younger before or after sex.
In real life, I could never have a relationship with someone a lot younger because I imagine all the choices they have ahead of them in their lives that would be cut off by the choices I've already made in mine if they hooked up with me.
Since we're talking about a guy who makes movies, the best counterpoint to Woody is the scene in Mr. Holland's Opus when Mr. Holland, a high school music teacher, decides not to run away to New York with his star pupil.
It's a poignant scene because he realizes his story is halfway through the second act, maybe past a climax that he missed, and hers is just starting.
Woody doesn't seem to have that level of self-awareness.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 6, 2018, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)
Pointing to his movies as evidence of pedophilia shows how far the anti-Allen crowd are willing to stretch the "evidence."
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Except that he commits his thoughts to the written word.